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The guy who posts PowerPoint tribute videos to a mincing septuagenarian has thoughts on "Losers".

Freedom of expression? Seriously? This is a political office-holder allowing propaganda to be displayed on public ground. This isn't his house, it's the people's house. This stunt has nothing to do with allowing freedom of expression - in spite of your reach to make it so. Your veiled insult is not appreciated.

Veiled insult? You just backed up exactly what I stated. lmao

Showing their disgust for Trump is exactly that. Expressing their disgust for Trump. Only like minded people as yourself would try to claim otherwise.

Now I agree it's in poor taste but it's most certainly an expression of their feelings towards our current president.

And funny as hell.

Please give examples of his senility?

Please give examples of him acting as a racist?

I don't need the respect of voters in London. I don't care what Europe's leaders think of a POTUS who is making them own -up to their own obligations and is withdrawing his people from some of the outright dumbest negotiations/deals imaginable.

I'll be waiting for your examples of Trump's racism.

Who is they? If you wanted to put up a protest balloon on public property, do you think you'd be allowed to do that?

Do you not understand the difference between putting up such a display on public property versus on one's own property? You act as if I'm stating they shouldn't put up a balloon on their own property. You equating my stance to prohibiting freedom of expression is laughable. Such a typical liberal debate tactic to connect dots that are on completely different pages...possibly even on different books.

You apply for a permit like everyone else does. Nazi's are issued permits. White Supremacists are issued permits. BLM are issued permits. They are issued permits to march and say very offensive things in public places.

This is no different. It seems you wish to change the ground rules depending on who it is and what they are protesting. From everything I've seen, they followed the proper protocol and have the legal right to do this. This isn't a liberal debate. Actually it's more of a constitutional debate. The right to assemble, the right to protest and the right to free speech.

It's something I think all Patriotic Americans should stand up for whether they agree with the message or not.

He was fined twice by the Justice Department for refusing to rent to black applicants, repeatedly instructing employees to mark the applications of black people with a "C" for colored so they could be easily discarded.

https://vault.fbi.gov/trump-management-c...%20of%2008/view

He was fined twice by the New Jersey Gaming Commission for ordering that black employees be removed from the gaming floor when he and his friends were gambling.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/06/06/Trump-Plaza-fined-200000-for-discrimination/2869676180800/

He was fined for running radio and print ads in New York that depicted Native Americans as criminal drug addicts with the tagline "Do we really want these people as neighbors?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/trump-fined-attack-indian-casino-article-1.888723

He once retweeted a graphic from the white supremacy website Stormfront that claimed 81% of white homicide victims are murdered by blacks.



He once stated in an interview that he doesn't let black people count or handle his money. When asked on the campaign trail if he was quoted correctly, his answer was "probably".

He named a man that was deemed too racist for a federal judge seat to be head of the Justice Department.

He demanded that a judge in his fraud trial be removed due to bias, that bias being the fact that he's Mexican.

He spent years pretending that he sent a team of investigators to prove that Obama was born in Africa, constantly calling into FOX & Friends to lie about the "amazing things" they had discovered.

Would you like me to keep going? (I can.)

100% correct.



And, it's 100% allowable to dislike, and protest, things like this that perhaps one doesn't agree with, isn't it?

Look at this con who believes in making public spaces safe spaces.

It most certainly is. A lot of people are given permits to speak in public protest which I find repulsive. Mainly Nazi's and the KKK. There are those allowed to protest against them.

While I understand one side and find the other repulsive, I firmly stand for both of them to have their right to protest.

Perhaps he does, perhaps he doesn't.

I certainly do... and I respond with this:




This happened in 1963.
This involved 250,000 people.
This happened on public land.

So yes... there is precedent for such a demonstration, be it a solitary balloon or a public gathering of a quarter-million people on the central mall of our country's seat of power. Were your assertion to have merit, each of those 250,000 people would have stayed at home and stood on their own front lawns, stoops, and private property.

In fact most protests/demonstrations take place on public land(s). It's at the very heart of the First Amendment. I assume that the UK has similar provisions for their citizens' rights of expression. So long as the proper permits were secured, hoops navigated, etc. our constitution guarantees citizens this right/privilege.

The fact that you don't like what's being expressed doesn't make that expression illegal. You don't set law/policy for your neighbor. So it really doesn't matter whether you think these types of protests should be on private or public grounds: Constitutional law guarantees that such things be allowed in both spaces.

As for connecting dots: the fact that you cannot see the connections is no indictment of the poster you addressed: it's more an indication of your own inability to keep the pencil on the paper between those dots.

The Constitution backs Pitdawg on this one.
Your being chafed at this particular incident is immaterial and irrelevant.

Yes, it is.

And that's why I expect you to have my back the next time I go to an anti-Trump rally on public grounds.

Note that I didn't say "agree with me." I said: "have my back"... as in: support my right to say stuff that you don't like- just like I support your right to stand up for your beliefs at your Town Square, and why I supported Trump rally attendees, and those tiki torchers in Charlottesville... right up to the point when one of them 'went all ISIS' with his car, and committed vehicular homicide. Until that moment, their **** was cool.

(Unfortunately for him, their permit didn't allow his desired level of 'free expression.')

So... do 'Trump Baby Blimpers' have your support?

Judging from your upbringing, personality, respect for law and overall character, I assume your answer is "yes" -but I'll wait to hear from you before I bang the gavel on this issue.

I absolutely support your right to not like certain things - parades, speeches, what ever.

I bet you'd be pretty freaking surprised in me, and what I believe.

But, I voted for Trump, as the lesser of 2 evils when Hillary was involved. (Truthfully, I'd have never voted for her no matter what)

Yet, some damn how, I get labeled as loving and supporting every DAMN thing Trump does, says, or has done in the past?



FREAKING PATHETIC!

And yeah, as some of you 'enlightened' people say, dammit, I'll treat others as they treat me. Period. All you of the 'open' party, the 'we accept all' party, the 'we love everyone and appreciate their thoughts' party,,,,,,,,,,,,and then turn around and bash people that don't agree with them.

Pathetic.

Oh, and I have your back bud. Let me know when you're going to an anti Trump rally.

You got my back when I'm going to a rally? Not even a Trump rally - just a political rally? Can I count on you to be there?

You can count on me

US Embassy in London warns Americans to 'keep low profile' during Trump visit

Justin Wise

11 hrs ago
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The U.S. Embassy in London released an alert on Tuesday urging Americans to "keep a low profile" during President Trump's scheduled visit to the United Kingdom later this week.

The notice asks for Americans in Britain to stay aware of their surroundings and to "exercise caution if unexpectedly in the vicinity of large gatherings that may become violent."


a couple of people standing next to a person in a suit and tie© Provided by The Hill
The request comes as Trump is expected to meet multiple protests during his first visit to the United Kingdom since taking office. Thousands of people are expected to turn out. Among the planned demonstrations is a large "Trump baby" blimp which was approved by London city officials to fly over Parliament.

"It's just been announced: Donald Trump is coming to Britain on a state visit later this year," reads a Facebook event description for a protest planned July 13-14 that has about 60,000 saying they will attend. "We don't know when. But let's be ready - and be prepared to take to the streets in the most incredible protest in our history."

The Embassy in London notes that the majority of the demonstrations will take place in central London on Friday, with other events scheduled to take place on Thursday and Saturday. Trump is expected to arrive on Thursday after a NATO summit in Belgium.

Reuters reports that more than 50,000 people have signed up to protest Trump's visit in London on Friday. The news outlet notes that a counterprotest to welcome the president is scheduled for that day as well.

"Several of the events are expected to attract large crowds and there will be road closures in connection with those events," the embassy notice reads.

It was reported last week that Trump will mostly avoid London for the duration of his visit to the United Kingdom.

I guess i understand their concern, but i doubt these people are targeting regular Americans as many have stated they love the American people and want to help rid us of this fascist fake President.

You can't put it past the British. It's part of their culture. You know how those people can be.

At a rugby or soccer match maybe, I doubt it will get ugly here.

Maybe a little surprised in certain areas... but 'freaking surprised?'
Prrrrobably not.

You are a straight shooter in all your posts. Always have been. You are totally forthcoming in your EE posts... and you always give us a clear pic of who you are. Don't forget: I've known these posts (and the person who made them) for ~ 15 years (I know you from those days when the orange pickup truck was your original avatar). That's 1/4 of my life, Dawg.


I think you and I see most of Real Life from extremely similar points of view... and that doesn't surprise me at all. After all, we are both reasonable people, grounded in reality.




Not by me... and we both know it. We've already agreed about this, and more than once.

I do think that sometimes you jump into a thread with 'Trump Support,' but I also think you do it when you've reached your point of 'anti-Trump overload'. When you get to that point, you've reached your limit- and then you'll spend the next day or more doing a sincere, heartfelt push-back... because of who you are- not because you're some mindless droned-out Trump Fanboy.

Like I said, I think I get you, most of the time.

Sometimes, you push back against me (because we both know that I'm definitely AntiTrump 24/7), and sometimes it's other Dawgs here. But I do think I've seen a cycle when it comes to your posting here at PP. In fact, this appearance by you is kinda on-schedule, as well. (Please don't get mad- I'm only 'friendly-teasing' a good bud at this point)



And I voted against Trump for the same motivations, but with no real enthusiasm for his opponent.

I have ALWAYS drawn a distinction between voters like you and those 'MAGA-gaggers' who gleefully swallow everything he pumps down their throats. I have made a concerted effort to make this plain to all who read these boards on a regular basis.

Just wanted to be up-front and clear about how I see all of this,

Clem.

Always.
Womb 2 Tomb.

Where is the giant sign/balloon insulting another citizen?

You do understand that our citizens have to follow court orders, right?

Where is the flag flying on top of the Washington Monument or on top of the White House or draped on the statue of Lincoln?

Apples are apples...oranges are round and colorful too...but they STILL aren't apples.

Don't protestors carry signs? Or are you saying that's different?

Who cares if they fly this, it's embarrassing for them as a party and as a country. Responding to it in kind is equally as embarrassing. Wanting to prevent them from doing it, is even more embarrassing.....just pathetic all around.

...and protests are protests.
Don't get bogged down by details.

Please go on until you find something substantial and relevant to his actions as POTUS. As a property owner, I no longer believe a single thing reported or convicted when it comes to dealing with disgruntled tenants. The laws are an absolute insult to a large majority of landlords.

Your examples are otherwise filled with speculation and projection on someone who runs hundreds of businesses and reportedly has 20,000+ employees. The lack of volume in what you posted in comparison to how many irons he has in the fires is relevant. All his dealings with tens of thousands of people over forty years and THAT's what you've got?

Being a part of something that could be considered racist does not mean that person himself is a racist on any and all other matters. Particularly someone who deals with that shear volume of other people.

How about examples of his senility?

So they DO NOT get to fly flags or balloons on public spaces or hang things on public buildings or monuments...got it.

Don't try to paint me as someone against peaceful protests...that's BS and my posts have been very consistent in that regard.

Are you kidding me? Again?

Hmmm...let's see...a sign/balloon/flag draped over or connected to a public building or monument versus a sign carried on one's person? That's a tough one. Please.

Public buildings and monuments represent ALL people...not a person's opinion or beliefs...they are not to be used to further one's point or agenda.

so you're only against certain types of peaceful protests... got it.

We can talk about BS once you take a long look in the mirror. Until then, you and I are finished here.

Hang that balloon in your front yard for all I care...that's your RIGHT. However, you have NO RIGHT to hang your balloon on a building belonging to the people.

Don't blame me for your unwillingness to admit that there is a difference between using public property to display your protest vs using private property for same.

They weren't his tenants, that was the whole point.

Trump, carrying over a business practice of his father, instructed his employees to mark all housing applications from blacks with a "C" for colored, so they could be easily weeded out and discarded. The Justice Department got wind of it and issued a warning. He kept doing it. They fined him. He kept doing it. They fined him again.



This isn't true at all.

In both instances where the New Jersey Gaming Commission fined Trump for ordering black employees off the casino floor, the order came directly from Trump, when he was present. In one instance, it was when he was gambling with friends, and the second was when he showed up to greet a high-rolling friend and instructed all black employees to be moved from the floor.

It's all there in the commission report.

Also, how is Trump inventing an insane fantasy about his investigative team discovering that Obama was born in Africa "speculation and projection"? How is Trump tweeting out white supremacy propaganda "speculation and projection"? What is "speculative" about the fact that he got fined for running an ad that called Native Americans criminal drug addicts?



"OK, so he's been fined repeatedly over decades for overtly racist business practices, has said a slew of racist things, and made up an insane lie about how Obama was born in Africa. *That's* your proof he's racist?"



This is him two days ago:

"I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important."

I stand by this fact: Forty-plus years of dealing with tens of thousands of people...and that's what you've got. Riiiight...he's a racist.

A quote about a rock star from two days ago means he's senile. Got it.

Like most liberals suffering through all this winning...you are grasping at straws to refute the success going on all around you...yet at every turn, even the straws get pulled out from under you. No worries though, I'm sure the straw (man) will be pulled again as the winning continues.

Since Willie wanted more:

After the Central Park Five were exonerated by DNA evidence, Trump insisted that they should still be executed, calling them "sub-human, a step above animals" (to be fair, this could be a mixture of racism and Trump not understanding what DNA is)

He completely invented a claim that Obama “issued a statement for Kwanzaa but failed to issue one for Christmas.”

He tweeted out staged fake videos from a white nationalist group of whites being attacked by Muslims

He hired Steve Bannon, a guy best known for running a website with a "Black Crime" section

He pardoned Joe Arpaio, a racist crank who once invented a fake assassination plot against himself, and has paid out more than $146 million in fines for being a racist crank.

He referred to a white supremacist rally that resulted in the death of a woman whose organizer referred to as a "fat Communist pig that deserved it" as "very fine people on both sides".

He once told a biographer that "laziness was a trait in blacks". It was reported as him saying that "laziness was a trait in blacks, which is why we'll never have another black president". When questioned on this, Trump claimed he had merely stated the first part, and hadn't linked it to Obama or the presidency.

"So you're claiming that this guy is a racist, and all you have to back that up is four decades of well-documented racist words and actions? Riiiiiight."

What part of "they have a permit" don't you comprehend? Protests are done on public property regularly. You simply need a permit to do what it is you're doing.

Trump is as much a racist as Obama is a Muslim. Neither is true...no matter how hard you or others try to connect the dots. Continued ranting doesn't make either so.

I'm not buying it. I'm yet to see him do or say ONE thing as POTUS that even hints at racism.

Odd qualifier. So he was racist before being President, but now that he's President, he's not racist? What about referring to latinxs crossing the border as rapists and murderers? Is that not saying something racist? Does tweeting a made up graphic that makes black people appear more violent racism or just bad fact checking?