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Oh come on Peen,,, maybe RAC is the right guy, maybe not, time will tell, but don't tell you actually believe that drivel about flipping a coin,,, Please don't tell me that,,, Please.
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He probably doesn't intend to flip a coin. But then why say it? It just makes him look dumb. Which is not something he needs right now.
Conversely, if he is serious then he just lost me as a fan of his.
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well me and Hanford Dixon are sure that he was playing with the Media,,
What I think isn't anything you should bank on,, but dixon spends time at camp,,he'd know..
As to why he would say it and not mean it,, Again, my guess is to play with the media...
I'm pretty sure he isn't worried about those that took it seriously..
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He probably doesn't intend to flip a coin. But then why say it? It just makes him look dumb. Which is not something he needs right now.
Conversely, if he is serious then he just lost me as a fan of his.
God forbid the guy make a joke to a question he's probably gotten a dozen times a day for the last two weeks... 
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God forbid the guy make a joke to a question he's probably gotten a dozen times a day for the last two weeks...
Man, I wish I'd have said it that way,,,,,, 
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The knock against Brees was a direct result because of a putrid OL.
The Chargers blow out the OL, with 5 new starters (2 retread OL, (Goff, Oben), 2 rookies (Hartwig, Olivea) and 1 IR (Fonoti)) and Brees has a breakout year and goes to the Pro Bowl.
Believe me, the light did not just turn on, Brees did not change in a phone booth.
It was the OL.
See I think this is interesting, but I think people are mistaking what you are saying here.
Maybe I am too.
But what I think you are saying is that it was pretty obvious it was the OL. In other words, there were signs that Brees was a good qb despite the OL problems.
So even with receivers dropping balls, poor OL play, terrible OC, there should still be signs with Frye.
I haven't really seen any. Nothing that makes me go 'if this guy had a better supporting cast, he'd be really good'.
I mean at some level you should be able to tell that.
I think you should anyway.
That may not be what you meant, but I still believe in this philosophy. There SHOULD be signs even when things aren't set up for success.
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Why don't you quit trying to read cystal balls and watch. We'll know here real soon if.............. no running game no pocket consistant drops and the wrong routes ran by the WR's .................were more of the problem than Frye was. Because right now,you don't know any more than the rest of us. Frye had no running game and no protection. Was the bulk of his problem "trying to make something out of nothing"? Trying too hard? Feeling that the entire formula of success was laid squarely on his shoulders because of having NO running game and NO pocket to work from? Or was it his skill set mainly? Don't claim to be an expert with the qualifications to answer those questions. Because you're not. No use pretending.  Now his skill set may not equate to being "our QB of the future". But the circumstances that surrounded him may be far more the reasons he looked "worse than he really was". We'll find out soon enough without people "claiming" to know the answer at this juncture.............
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So even with receivers dropping balls, poor OL play, terrible OC, there should still be signs with Frye.
I haven't really seen any. Nothing that makes me go 'if this guy had a better supporting cast, he'd be really good'.
Not even one thing that makes you think he could be a starter,, Not one..
Wow, I wonder what RAC and Savage see in him then,,,,
Are you sure you don't see a single thing? Because if there was nothing there, then RAC and Savage should be fired today,, let's not wait,, let's cut them lose,,, Get them outta here now...Don't waste another moment..
I kinda went off the deep end there to dramatize a point,,, I can certainly accept that you see nothing in Frye.. tha'ts cool,, But the point is, the powers that be, the ones whose jobs may hang in the balance, do see something or they'd be nuts to even have him in camp. JMO however.
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Well Damon,some actually grasp the "team sport concept" and some don't. And from his comments,he don't. 
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Frye to start against Kansas City
Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer
08.11.2007
Charlie Frye has won the toss.
The third-year quarterback and incumbent starter for the Browns will start for the team tonight in the preseason opener against the Kansas City Chiefs.
He'll trade time during the first half with Derek Anderson before the pair turns the game over to Ken Dorsey. Rookie Brady Quinn, who joined training camp Wednesday, might play a couple of plays, according to head coach Romeo Crennel.
Other changes in the starting lineup, as expected, include Lennie Friedman starting at left guard in place of Eric Steinbach (knee), and Antwan Peek starting at left outside linebacker in place of Willie McGinest (back).
Rookie Eric Wright will start in his preseason debut at left cornerback in place of Kenny Wright (groin).
For the Chiefs, Brodie Croyle will start at quarterback ahead of Damon Huard, while rookie DeMarcus Tyler will start at left defensive tackle in place of Ron Edwards.
Stay tuned to ClevelandBrowns.com for in-game updates, photos, and blogging.
Well they're still playing it as a coin flip...I still say its not cause RAC is a bozo as Peen would believe. Its cause its inconciquential (sp) to him one or the other. To RAC there is only one QB and its BQ...its a matter of who is the temp? When you hire a temp isn't mostly a coin flip?
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Not buying the coin flip either, but it doesn't matter anyway....
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The comment could have been made to help with trade talks as well. Even if one of these guys IS pulling away in RAC's mind, would you really make a public comment about it when you're going to more than likely trade one of these guys?
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lol... who is going to trade for Anderson?? RAC flipped a friggin coin and thats how he decides things!!! It's insane...
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IT HAPPENED
Before kickoff, Frye won a coin toss held in coach Romeo Crennel's office to decide his starter.
"I called tails," said Anderson, who went 7-of-16 for 76 yards. "I stuck with it, but it didn't work for me."
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lol... who is going to trade for Anderson?? RAC flipped a friggin coin and thats how he decides things!!! It's insane...
After tonight? Nobody.
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Not buying the coin flip either, but it doesn't matter anyway....
When your head coach decides to let a frickin' quarter make his damned decisions FOR HIM???
It matters..............
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I think all the people making comments to posters who thought RAC was serious need to apoligize.
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I hope if we have an even .500 year, RAC will get the same coin flipped by Lerner to see if he gets to stay. I also hope the coin is double headed and RAC calls tails.
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Well, it looks like a coin flip DID indeed happen.
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Oh come on Peen,,, maybe RAC is the right guy, maybe not, time will tell, but don't tell you actually believe that drivel about flipping a coin,,, Please don't tell me that,,, Please.
Hmmmm.....drivel??
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Guess we're not as dumb as people think, eh, Peen...... But apparently Romeo is. I hope all those people that used to give Butch holy hell because he had a gut feeling shut the hell up now. At least he used one of his senses. Romeo had to let pure luck decide. Now before someone goes on a rant let me say this. Does this change the ability or chances of either Charlie or Derek? No. Does it affect Dorsey or Quinn? No. But it does make Romeo and the Browns look dumb. If you're OK with that then so be it. I have a problem with that. And you can bet ESPN will beat this to death all week. I just hope for Romeo's sake that Randy Lerner doesn't feel like a coin flip at the end of the season (as Pdawg mentioned)
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Maybe Romeo just wanted to be fair to both???? I'm reaching. 
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Maybe Romeo just wanted to be fair to both????
I'm reaching.
You are....the fair thing to do would have been to go to the guy not starting and tell him why.
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I don't think it's that big of a deal, but maybe it would have been better to just name CF the starter for the KC game and say "he's the incumbent, tbut hey'll both get a fair shake in the game."
Would have avoided all this crap.
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You are....the fair thing to do would have been to go to the guy not starting and tell him why.
Yup....and it's not necessarily the starter for the Steelers. Just the starter at "this stage" of the comp.
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Just clicking Riddler...
Looks like we got ourselves a "tag team" pair here, folks.
Crazy and Peen....both complaining about Romeo's decision to flip a coin to determine which QB would start first in the rotation of QBs in last nights game.
The "tag team" posted on game day thread this morning too...crazy just copied and pasted the very same post you see here...responding to a peen slam on Crennel.
Crazy and Peen believe Crennel sucks as a head coach because he said he flipped a coin, to see which QB would play first in the rotation for last nights game.
Guys, it doesn't mean a damned thing...unless someone already has an agenda in mind for this season.
Did the team play well last night?...
Did it matter which QB went first in the rotation?
If one thinks about it, I would say Crennel is trying create as much competition for the starting QB position as he can. He doesn't want either QB to think he's got it locked up.
But hey, if it fits the tag team's agenda...to begin a I HATE CRENNEL club...so be it. ...WOOF...mac
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I don't care that RAC flipped a quarter. Different coaches have different ways of motivating players......if it takes a coin flip to get these kids to open up their eyes and see that they have to bust their ass through the entire camp to SHOW THAT THEY SHOULD BE THE STARTER, then so be it! If one of the QBs would have shown in camp that they were ahead in the race, then RAC would have named a starter a few days ago I'm sure. By all reports, the QBs have been up and down.......isn't that what we've been talking about for two weeks now?????????????? Some of you people are amazing......getting your panties in a bunch over a coin flip. The only coin flips we should sweat over are for draft position......
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Hmmmm.....drivel??
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I think all the people making comments to posters who thought RAC was serious need to apoligize.
I think you're right.
I made a HUGE mistake there! I actually thought RAC was smart enough and qualified enough to "make a coaching decision" on the most critical position,QB. I was wrong.
To all who I belittled and made fun of on the subject, I'm sorry.
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I stayed out of it, i thought he was joking. 
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I don't care that RAC flipped a quarter. Different coaches have different ways of motivating players......if it takes a coin flip to get these kids to open up their eyes and see that they have to bust their ass through the entire camp to SHOW THAT THEY SHOULD BE THE STARTER, then so be it!
It doesn't "take a coin flip" to make a coaching decision. It takes a coin flip to avoid making one.
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If one of the QBs would have shown in camp that they were ahead in the race, then RAC would have named a starter a few days ago I'm sure.
I don't care if he "named one" an hour before the game in the locker room. The fact is,it's his job to make these calls,not to let a quarter do his job. Going by that,hell,I'm NFL head coaching material........or not.
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By all reports, the QBs have been up and down.......isn't that what we've been talking about for two weeks now??????????????
Reports by whom? Some people actually make a damned good living and get PAID handsomely to make such decisions. It's their frickin' job. Most of us on this BOARD pretty damned well knew Charlie was "the lesser of two evils" here. We said so and the game performances of the two shown precisely that. RAC couldn't get his head out of his behind and make the call. You know,DO his job? There are no excuses for that.
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Some of you people are amazing......getting your panties in a bunch over a coin flip. The only coin flips we should sweat over are for draft position......
Yeah,it's a shame we expect accountability for our head coach to make head coaching decisions instead of being excuse machines for moronic actions on his part.
And you don't have to worry about "coin flips" for draft picks. You see,Phil makes those. He knows how to weigh things out. He knows how to make the tough decisions. He knows how to take full responsibility for his decisions. He's a "professional" in the purest form.
You can't say that about RAC because there's no evidence to back it up. And this bone headed move? Only points in the other direction.
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And you don't have to worry about "coin flips" for draft picks. You see,Phil makes those. He knows how to weigh things out. He knows how to make the tough decisions. He knows how to take full responsibility for his decisions. He's a "professional" in the purest form.
That was a reference to teams of equal records i think, like we had with Tampa and recently Atlanta to decide who picks first. Not so much as which player to take.
Anywho, continue.
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All-inAll, I think things worked out pretty good.. I was pleased by the rotation RAC imposed on the QB's... Coin flip or not, did it really matter? NO....
Making Brady sit for the game was cool with me.. He got to ingest the atmosphere, the speed of the game, and probably the butterflies.. PLUS, he had only 4 days of practice.. He WILL get the second half against the Lions, and then probably the 1Q, in week 3 against the Bronco's..
Look, Frye NOR Anderson NOR Ken looked awesome...
Frye was OK, made some bad choices and some missed routes that had guys wide open, but thats Frye.. He did make strides since last year, but he is still Frye, making some of the same choices as last year.. I would have to say that he has taken Garcia's Plaque labled "Skittish", because that is what he is.. Sometimes it he would just wait like another 1 second, things would open up for him.. And yes, he had the time, several times.. The Line was awesome..
Anderson, well, I have found a spot very deep in my stomach for him, as he has nothing to provide, and nothing to prove.. Again, same mistakes as last year, good in practice, crap in the live show.. He has a strong arm? Get him into Javlin throwing or something.. I see him not hanging around Cleveland very long, as his bus is rolling in soon.
Dorsey, LOL, he's cheap..
Brady is going to start, bottom line.. He will learn by leaps and bounds this week, and take this job, his dream, his destiny.. He has to, or RAC and Company will be hunting for a new job come January...
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I guess basing your decision of a starting QB based on a coin flip seems like nothing to some. But it speaks volumes about taking on the responsibilities that go along with the job of being a head coach to me.
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It doesn't "take a coin flip" to make a coaching decision. It takes a coin flip to avoid making one.
We don't know all the ins and out.....what was said but not reported to or by the media.
It's not a big deal because they rotated anyway....the "start" was not important, so that makes the conflip not important. You make it seem as if RAC is a bumbling idiot because he flipped a coin.
Perhaps it was for motivation, perhpas it was in jest to lighten up a tense locker room. We don't know WHY because we aren't there.
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I don't care if he "named one" an hour before the game in the locker room. The fact is,it's his job to make these calls,not to let a quarter do his job. Going by that,hell,I'm NFL head coaching material........or not.
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Reports by whom? Some people actually make a damned good living and get PAID handsomely to make such decisions. It's their frickin' job. Most of us on this BOARD pretty damned well knew Charlie was "the lesser of two evils" here. We said so and the game performances of the two shown precisely that. RAC couldn't get his head out of his behind and make the call. You know,DO his job? There are no excuses for that.
I haven't made it to camp, and I don't think you have either. The reports have been from the media, the coaching staff, and the fans that attended practices.
Edge Anderson one day.....edge Frye another day. It's a common reply to something that a person is unsure of--"Hell I dunno, flip a coin!" *LOL*
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Yeah,it's a shame we expect accountability for our head coach to make head coaching decisions instead of being excuse machines for moronic actions on his part.
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And you don't have to worry about "coin flips" for draft picks. You see,Phil makes those. He knows how to weigh things out. He knows how to make the tough decisions. He knows how to take full responsibility for his decisions. He's a "professional" in the purest form.
Riddler already explained this to you. Enuff said.
It's August. Time to discuss the play of the players on the field and how they performed.....speculate as to what will happen on cutdown day in a couple of weeks.
This week's game will tell more of the tale after it has been played.......even if RAC flips a coin again. 
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I absolutely cannot see why this is such a big deal to anyone except that the vast majority bitchin about it are the same folks that have been setting parameters for RAC's failure and subsequent replacement this season.
This is no big dea no matter what light you try to paint it in. You folks were and are making a mountain out of a molehill. It doesn't warrant any attention at all much less the discussion it is getting.
You folks are actually upset about the coach using a coin flip to decide which guy got to take the ball for the first series in the first pre-season game.... a game after WEEKS of practicing in which neither one was able to distinguish themselves.
You have two guys fighting for a job, of which there are only 32 of those jobs in the WORLD.... and they both fail to step up and separate from one another.... to me, they deserve for it to be decided in such a cavalier manner as that is what they earned.
I honestly believe y'all are just whining to whine.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I don't understand this board. People are already clamoring for Quinn after the FIRST preseason game. A game where our starter, CF, went 12-15 with 122 yards. Sure he made a couple mistakes--I counted two; but thats no reason to get down on him. Its the first freaking game. Plus, Joe Thomas had two holding penalties---thats two big mistakes and no one seems to want to kick him to the curb.
This is exactly why I didn't want Quinn---because all season long a bunch of football illiterate fanboys will be calling for him even though he has never played a down in the league. Truly ridiculous. Idiocy at its finest.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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