So you don't think our relations with Russia being so bad is the fault of previous administrations?
I think almost all the blame goes to Russia.
I agree and I am glad we are now talking again.
It's a sad thing that so many people want America to lose just because they HATE Trump! #unhinged #walkaway
You have it backwards. I hate Trump because he's a despicable human being on almost every imaginable level and an embarrassment to our entire nation. I hate Trump because I LOVE America.
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It has been acknowledged that the meddling DID NOT change the outcome of the election. So the meddling did not work...and now Trump is supposed to fall on his sword over this?
No. He's supposed to man tf up, and use the sword of rhetoric to excoriate this dude for meddling in the first place.
This is what I find so galling about this blind defense of d00d: it ignores the obvious truth sitting in the front yard, and will circumnavigate the globe in an attempt to put some sort of positive spin on his idiotic impulses. Cyber attacks by a foreign country are an act of warfare. They don't use bombs, tanks and live rounds of ammunition, but they attacked our country.
If they mounted an armed advance on Washington DC and failed, is it any less of an attack?
Trump over party. Trump over Country Trump uber alles.
We have more capability than anyone to perform a cyber attack.
We are not at war with Russia.
Whenever they hack, we find it, we learn from it, we see where and how they attack us. We learn.
We even allow them to hack at times without responding so we can watch it and observe their actions.
When real war comes, we will own them because we know so much about them and where to watch for their attacks. We will be able to shut them down and shut them out while we retaliate.
So you don't think our relations with Russia being so bad is the fault of previous administrations?
To some extent.. then there is the fact that Russia has very little regard for things like international law and our elections and stuff.. so I'm thinking they own a lot of it.
So you don't think our relations with Russia being so bad is the fault of previous administrations?
I think almost all the blame goes to Russia.
I agree and I am glad we are now talking again.
It's a sad thing that so many people want America to lose just because they HATE Trump! #unhinged #walkaway
You have it backwards. I hate Trump because he's a despicable human being on almost every imaginable level and an embarrassment to our entire nation. I hate Trump because I LOVE America.
Your post proves my point. You let your HATE over ride the TRUTH.
Putin kindly offers to help investigate Russian meddling in the US election Trump called it an “incredible offer.”
By Dara Linddara@vox.com
Jul 16, 2018
President Donald Trump just bragged that Vladimir Putin has offered to send Russian government investigators to look into Russian government meddling in the 2016 US presidential election.
That is not a joke.
It’s the “interesting idea” Trump mentioned during the press conference after Monday’s closed-door meeting between the two leaders. An idea he said Putin proposed to address Russian involvement in America’s last election and its potential interference in future ones (including the 2018 midterm elections).
Apparently, the Russian president suggested that he send his own people to investigate the 12 named Russian employees of the GRU (the country’s military intelligence agency) indicted Friday by special counsel Robert Mueller. They were charged in connection with the hack of the email server of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the publishing of hacked emails under the guise of “lone hacker” Guccifer 2.0. Trump teased Putin’s “interesting idea” in his opening remarks during their joint press conference Monday morning:
During today’s meeting, I addressed directly with President Putin the issue of Russian interference in our elections. I felt this was a message best delivered in person. Spent a great deal of time talking about it. President Putin may very well want to address it and very strongly, because he feels strongly about it. He has an interesting idea.
Putin did, in fact, address the allegations “strongly” — which is to say he denied any meddling in the election. And to prove it, he said, he would have Russian law enforcement question the indicted individuals themselves — and even allow members of Mueller’s investigative team to sit in on the questioning:
We have an existing agreement between the United States of America and the Russian Federation, an existing treaty that dates back to 1999: the mutual assistance on criminal cases. [...] This treaty has specific legal procedures we can offer. The appropriate commission headed by Mueller, he can use this as a solid foundation and send an official request to us so that we would interrogate, hold questioning of these individuals who he believes are privy to some crimes. Our enforcement are perfectly able to do this questioning and send the appropriate materials to the United States. Moreover, we can meet you halfway. We can make another step. We can actually permit representatives of the United States, including the members of this very commission headed by Mr. Mueller, we can let them into the country. They will be present at questioning.
Putin said he’d allow members of Mueller’s team into Russia only if the US allowed him to reciprocate — to allow Russian operatives into the US. Specifically, Putin mentioned allegations against financier and vocal Putin critic Bill Browder — whom he accused of funneling (along with his associates) $400 million in donations to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
In other words, this is Putin’s “interesting idea” to address exhaustively documented allegations that employees of the Russian government tried to interfere in the 2016 presidential campaign by hacking into, and publishing, private emails from one major party in the campaign: Have Russian government officials ask other Russian government officials if the Russian government told them to commit a crime.
Let US officials watch Russian officials ask other Russian officials if the Russian government told them to commit a crime. Send Russian officials into the US to investigate allegations against domestic critics of Vladimir Putin.
But if Putin offered a quid pro quo, Trump appears to have heard only a favor. He later praised Putin for his willingness in cooperating in the investigation into his own government:
What he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. It is “incredible” — in that it is extremely hard to believe that a government whose employees are being investigated by a foreign country is going to participate, in good faith, in that investigation while denying out of hand that any wrongdoing took place. But Trump appears to believe just that.
Putin said he’d allow members of Mueller’s team into Russia only if the US allowed him to reciprocate — to allow Russian operatives into the US. Specifically, Putin mentioned allegations against financier and vocal Putin critic Bill Browder — whom he accused of funneling (along with his associates) $400 million in donations to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
So you don't think our relations with Russia being so bad is the fault of previous administrations?
so I'm thinking they own a lot of it.
Therefore some of it is our fault too. Just like Trump said.
So it's cool for the President to admit the US has screwed up in the past?
That's awesome... I remember how supportive you were of Obama when he... nevermind.
I guess the only question now is, when is Trump going to apologize to all of the other nations that we actually did have good relationships with.. but now don't.
In the name of working together, Trump said both sides screwed up.
I am sure, now that he is in charge, he told Putin the past is the past and we will move on for the future.
I have no problem with that.
Your assertion that Trump will go on to apologize to the world like Obama did won't happen.
Trump yelled at NATO because they are a Paper Tiger and not a partner as Germany relies on Russia for 67 percent of its energy needs and few others have kept their part of the bargain militarily.
I am sure you would much prefer a politician telling you that NATO is just fine, until of course it is not and our troops get overrun in Europe.
Putin said he’d allow members of Mueller’s team into Russia only if the US allowed him to reciprocate — to allow Russian operatives into the US. Specifically, Putin mentioned allegations against financier and vocal Putin critic Bill Browder — whom he accused of funneling (along with his associates) $400 million in donations to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Bill Browder is the reason we have the Magnitsky Act. Sergei Magnitsky was tortured and killed in a Russian jail cell because him and Browder didn't bow down to Putin. Bill Browder is only alive because he fled the country before the hammer fell.
Putin wants the Magnitsky Act lifted so he can assert his power to his oligarchs and continue his shadow campaign to strengthen Russia and weaken the west.
"As I said today and many times before, “I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people.” However, I also recognize that in order to build a brighter future, we cannot exclusively focus on the past – as the world’s two largest nuclear powers, we must get along!"
-President of the United States of America Donald Trump
Trump was indefensible.... The fact that people are trying to justify this is just pathetic.
Trump didn't commit treason. He may be cleared by by Mueller. who knows .... But man he just continues to show what a total and complete douche bag he is.
"There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections. There is no evidence that has happened in the past, or that there are instances that it could happen this time."
President of the United States of America Barack Obama Oct.18,2016
Here is a bit of friendly advice that will most likely upset you. However, I am truly intending it as "friendly" advice.
Have you read Vambo? rocky? 40?
Have you noted that they become more ridiculous and less credible as they post more hateful posts?
My advice is to lighten up a bit. When you act the way they do, you actually make your side look worse. Don't resort to thei low-brow tactics, bro. Have more class than they do.
I wonder if people like Vambo, 40, Perfect, OCD, etc ever wonder if they are doing more harm than good for their side?
For example, when I read outright lies by posters like device and eotab about Baker Mayfield, it kinda makes me like Baker less. That might not be fair, but it's just the way it is.
So...........for you extreme posters......think about this: You're one-sided commentary is not truly furthering your cause, but instead, it is a detriment to your intentions. Subtlety might be a better option.
I wonder if people like Vambo, 40, Perfect, OCD, etc ever wonder if they are doing more harm than good for their side?
For example, when I read outright lies by posters like device and eotab about Baker Mayfield, it kinda makes me like Baker less. That might not be fair, but it's just the way it is.
So...........for you extreme posters......think about this: You're one-sided commentary is not truly furthering your cause, but instead, it is a detriment to your intentions. Subtlety might be a better option.
Who was it in the HATE threat that stated "you don't like my post don't read it" and that was followed by someone who mentioned "you like to pick fights" you did in this post and then you complain about others?
I wonder if people like Vambo, 40, Perfect, OCD, etc ever wonder if they are doing more harm than good for their side?
For example, when I read outright lies by posters like device and eotab about Baker Mayfield, it kinda makes me like Baker less. That might not be fair, but it's just the way it is.
So...........for you extreme posters......think about this: You're one-sided commentary is not truly furthering your cause, but instead, it is a detriment to your intentions. Subtlety might be a better option.
Who was it in the HATE threat that stated "you don't like my post don't read it" and that was followed by someone who mentioned "you like to pick fights" you did in this post and then you complain about others?
Lets keep it real, Vers might pick fights, but he isnt an extremist like you are. He posts sensible, while your posts are just eye roll worthy.
I wonder if people like Vambo, 40, Perfect, OCD, etc ever wonder if they are doing more harm than good for their side?
For example, when I read outright lies by posters like device and eotab about Baker Mayfield, it kinda makes me like Baker less. That might not be fair, but it's just the way it is.
So...........for you extreme posters......think about this: You're one-sided commentary is not truly furthering your cause, but instead, it is a detriment to your intentions. Subtlety might be a better option.
Who was it in the HATE threat that stated "you don't like my post don't read it" and that was followed by someone who mentioned "you like to pick fights" you did in this post and then you complain about others?
Lets keep it real, Vers might pick fights, but he isnt an extremist like you are. He posts sensible, while your posts are just eye roll worthy.
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