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It's always something with this team. When things look cohesive and positive something gets effed up.

I'm not sure but I believe if he failed another test it would be an "indefinite" suspension. Meaning likely a lifetime ban but the NFL wouldn't SAY that due to a possible lawsuit. It would be VERY difficult for him to return, however.

IF this is just a case of him feeling like he wants to go back to drugs/alcohol and has the maturity to go for help FIRST ... then I applaud him

But I'm still skeptical

Josh Gordon had cried wolf so many times I don't believe anything he says.

This is sad.

Makes sense why Eli Rogers will be in town tomorrow for a visit...

I never ever get into the Josh Gordon debates as hes been a lost cause to me for several seasons now...people always hype him up as "what if" instead of "what he is"

End of story...good luck to him and I'm ready to move on foward.

IDK, it might actually be a great story.

Josh, with the struggles of NFL and upcoming training camp, may have felt vulnerable, and before relapsing, reached out to the TEAM, NFL, and NFLPA to set this up to assist him from doing so.

In that event, that is great news.

People act like smoking grass is an addiction like shooting heroin. Grass is NOT physically addicting. It is mentally addicting. It's harder to quit smoking cigarettes than it is to quit smoking weed. He is mentally WEAK. How many of you think being mentally weak is a good trait for a football player? I don't care how physically talented he is, he is a weakie mentally and that makes him a lousy player, and a terrible teammate. If the Browns are stupid enough to give him a big contract if and when he returns and reaches free agency then they get what they deserve. You can't COUNT on meathead. It is his NATURE to let everyone down. It is his NATURE to be the dumbest player in the NFL.

Although I am looking for the best scenario here, and reports are he is not suspended or failed a test, Gordon's past involves a lot more than GRASS. From what I understand - cocaine, heroin, alcohol, armed robbery etc. His issues are not strictly weed related.

Sure it's AWESOME! Wonderful news! He's SUCH a great teammate that when the going gets tough and his team needs him he's NOT there. Couldn't ASK for a better teammate. *snicker*

I have some prime swampland to sell you and the Brooklyn Bridge is up for sale... Exactly how naive are you man? Wake up! He's a meathead. He either failed a test or he was about to and did the same thing he did two years ago. Checked himself into rehab before he failed a test.

Josh's struggles have little to nothing to do with marijuana. He came clean last year and admitted to ongoing abuse of codeine, cocaine use, as well as other substances. He's an addict, acting like he's a loser because "anybody can quit marijuana" makes no sense.

You know, you all have changed my mind. This IS a good thing. Why? We are talking about meathead now instead of the team. This Offseason the league was talking about how the Browns had improved and there was a positive feeling about the TEAM for once. Now, with Hard Knocks coming up and the team getting ready for it's most important training camp in decades, the focus is on meathead. Every player and every coach will be constantly asked about him and that is what is important. The DISTRACTION. It could not have come at a better time. This team needs as many distractions as possible so they can continue to "play like Browns". So bravo to meathead. Thank you for being the distraction once again. We can always count on you to NOT be there for the team and to be a huge distraction every year at this time. Keep up the good work buddy.

I hope that's true, but he has let the team and its fans down so often that it's hard to completely believe it.

Dude, take a pill. So far ALL REPORTS are that of what I stated. Until the NFL or the TEAM comments otherwise, he is doing what he is supposed to be doing.

Maybe you should try google a bit, but ill take Schefter reporting over your hair on fire at this point.

Fine/ Let's buy that line of BS for a second. You think him NOT bein there during camp is a good thing for the TEAM? That is FINE with you? That he won't practice at ALL during camp but he will be fine game one? Well hell, let's send them ALL home. No need to practice in the new offense, they can all just show up game one against the Steelers refreshed and ready to go... Since this is SO great, lets resign him to a long-term deal ALL of it guaranteed. He is the greatest Brown to ever play, right? *snicker*

He is mentally WEAK. Now go ahead and tell me how fine a trait that is for a football player EO. Tell me how you would look for mental weakness in players you would want to sign. Once again we are talking about meathead NOT about the improved TEAM. Yes indeed, distractions like this are JUST what this team needed right before the most important camp in DECADES!

I agree, and I am not in any way saying he derseves the benefit of the doubt. But all is adding up that this is true. If he failed, the TEAM would not have released a statement yet. Wait and see, but so far, its looking like a set back, but not a blow up.

You take a pill. If you think it's GREAT then you're the one with the problem. Even if it is just a precaution HE'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE TEAM. Or don't you know that this is a TEAM sport. That ONE player always putting himself before the TEAM is a BAD thing. It amazes me how some of you count on meathead over and over and over and over and over again. No matter what he does, he's the greatest. He can do no wrong.

So who has made the decision to put up with all of this? I mean if you wish to point blame about Josh being an ongoing distraction, shouldn't you be pointing the finger at the people who keep him on the roster?

It's literally what 3 or 4 different GM's? Who drafted him Heckert?

Tony Grossi is a hack, and I'm glad someone pointed that out way earlier. I did hear the rumor that he failed another drug test about a month ago, but it was dismissed as false then as well. I did get the feeling that Gordon had turned a corner with his addiction issues. The Schefter tweet is comforting as well that this isn't a failed drug test...

but...

How many times have we been here before? How many times has Gordon gone a big, long time, passed a gajillion and 1 drug tests, just to get popped like 5 minutes before the season is set to begin? We've all seen this movie before. The NFL spokesman guy in the ESPN article specifically said that Gordon is not suspended, but that may be just because the punishment hasn't been handed down yet (appeals could be in process, and the final sentencing hasn't been handed down.

Bring in Rodgers and any other stud-like WR we can find.

I agree, however lets look at this....just like you said here



All those times before, Gordon didn't have the support he has now with this team, and the NFL/NFLPA. Maybe, this was starting to happen, and Gordon reached out for help, and they got it for him. Like they told him they would do. That's what I am hoping for.

But that's a GOOD thing... or so some believe. They say they want what's best for meat. Bull. What would be best is for him to enter rehab for a good long time and when he gets out, find another career.

Every time he is about to get his football career back on track, something happens. It is patently obvious that football is NOT good for him. The thought of having to suit up and play causes him so much stress he can't handle it mentally. So if we really want what is best for him it's time to move on and let him live his life away from the game. He can sell shoes or become a road worker or whatever...

"All those times before, Gordon didn't have the support he has now with this team, and the NFL/NFLPA. Maybe, this was starting to happen, and Gordon reached out for help, and they got it for him. Like they told him they would do. That's what I am hoping for."

I think that is bull. You are saying that only NOW did the NFL, the NFLPA and the Browns front office and coaching staff care about meat? That no one cared about him or tried to help him EVER before now? That's a load of crap. The Browns from DAY ONE tried to help him stay on course. Hell, they DRAFTED him KNOWING he had trouble. They SHOULD have ran away as fast as they could in hindsight. But they took a chance on him. That shows they cared. They have stood by him FAR longer than I ever would have. And by the way, I was a meathead FAN the first couple years. I gave him a lot of chances before I started referring to him as a meathead. I didn't just give up on him after one screw up. It took a LOT for me to finally rid myself of the notion he could ever be a player for us. The Browns have never wavered. They have shown INFINITE patience. They have tried over and over and over to help him and are STILL doing so. To say that he NEVER had ANY support is a blatant lie. He's had too much support perhaps. Maybe it's time to REALLY do what is best for him and give him a lifetime ban so he doesn't have to think about football anymore and he can concentrate on getting well and staying that way. It's obvious that football isn't good for him. He can't take the stress.

"Unless your have a PhD or a medical degree, you talking out the side of your mouth. I can TELL you, that organized team schedules and activities are what some people with issues like his NEED to flourish. Its the down time that gets to them.....But you knew that with your psychology degree and all...."

Really? Then tell me genius, why is he not going to be participating in "Team schedules and activities" starting in three days? If they are SO important to his health he should be there. Tell me oh deficient one, why does the thought of having to play cause him such mental turmoil that he runs away as fast as he can when it's time to suit up and play? Two years ago he was all set to return for game five, then the day before he checked himself into rehab. Same thing now. The THOUGHT of having to play is so stressful he either relapses or at the very least THINKS about relapsing. It's a TRIGGER. Football has NOT been a good thing for him. He screwed up in college. He couldn't take the stress of playing big-time college football. He's screwed up almost every single year he's been in the league. If football was so good for him, then he should BE there for camp as that would HELP him... but you say being AWAY from football and away from the team is GOOD. Then you say he needs it... so which one is it. Make up your mind...

Former Browns OT @joethomas73 joined @AndrewSiciliano in-studio on @nflnetwork's Inside Training Camp Live & discussed the latest regarding Browns WR Josh Gordon. Thomas' comments below





https://twitter.com/AHow17/status/1021474542504501248

Well for starters , given all the problems with Josh ; The Organization is handling the PR terribly !

Keeping runnin your jaws, your making yourself look more and more unsubstantiated every post...

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...ed/95-576683421

That depends on the circumstances. IF he has had a failed test, they can't comment before the NFL does about that. Thus they are doing the only thing they really can do.

If this is simply a helpful break for Josh to get more needed counseling, I agree. You would think if the latter is the case there would be some tentative time line for his return.

I think in either case they are actually handling it well. They are saying they are there for Josh as a person, not just a player. And providing anything he needs to succeed, not just at football.

The Browns have (for one of the very few times), handled JG rather favorably given all the circumstances.

I read Josh as "saying " this is part of the Plan ! That's what I am responding to .. We shall see ..

Nothing we can do except wait for the other foot to fall. Hopefully this is a preemptive measure, but given Josh's history that is not extremely likely. I guess we'll have to wait for something.

This is the problem with the news in our current cycle. All we can really do is sit on our thumbs, scratching ourselves and thinking about this way too much, while every NFL reporter is hitting up their contacts trying to get some information. Not healthy for anyone involved. It's especially bad here, because we are all so cynical, even me, one of his biggest supporters, about his history and nature, and NFL suspensions have always been a very slow developing news story.

And Roger the Dogger is an Idiot !

Agreed, as of right not now, all reports are its planned treatement setup with the NFL and NFL/PA. until I hear otherwise, that's what it is too me. But I wouldn't be surprised if was something different. And if it was, im not gonna lose sleep over it. Anyone building their team or hopes on JG this point in his career is a fool. And those seem to be the ones freaking out right now.

From all I've read, that sounds to be the case. Not necessarily "scheduled treatment", but if he feels like he's going to fall off the wagon again, this is exactly what he should be doing. I just hope it doesn't keep him away from the team for an extended time.

I actually see both sides of the issue. I certainly don't approve of the way Spiritbro77 states his viewpoint, but I do understand both sides of the debate.

As a person it is commendable that the Browns have stood by Josh and have seemingly supported him. And it's not just this FO that's done so. It's been ongoing since he got here.

I can also understand the other side. This isn't "just a game" as some, including yourself have eluded to. It's a billion dollar plus corporation. It's big business first and a game only to fans.

It's a great thing when a corporation supports its employees during such struggles, but there also comes a point where in such a media driven business where team chemistry is such a huge part of things, that having such a detrimental distraction becomes a big issue that most certainly has a detrimental impact on your business as a whole.

To me that's why it would also be understandable if the team agreed to pay for any counseling and other help Josh needed and sent him on his way. At some point the need to think of the whole rather than a single part of the whole is understandable.

I mean at what point, two, three, four chances do you have to put your business and the rest of your roster first against such a huge, ongoing distraction?

I see that too, but as a business - do you not think that standing behind him, giving him those chances and support doesn't garner props from other players and potential FA? Players talk to each other, and when an org. is willing to go above and beyond for a guy like Gordon, they may do the same for you in other instances...which speaks a lot to them. Along with the money of course

I believe even most players understand there are limits. I won't venture a guess to exactly what those limits are but I do believe they exist.

NFL: We’ll address Josh Gordon matter at appropriate time

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...propriate-time/

P.S. I guess we will all wait for the appropriate time then (sighs).