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Josh is always a victim.

I hope they sign Eli Rodgers.

I don't think excl missed your message. You both made valid points.

I'm not saying he didn't make valid points. I'm saying that I was responding to the quotes of others when I said that Josh missing the start of TC was a "good thing." He left that out, as if I was saying him seeking help was a bad thing. I did not imply that at all!!!

Calm down dude. I'm just trying to be a peacemaker. It's hard being a Browns fan, isn't it?

Perfect statement, "if" Josh reacted out so he wouldn't slip...good on him....but it stinks for the football team AND every Browns fan because we think he's slipped. Hoping for the best for all of us...Hope Josh can be his best self on and off the field.....GO Browns!!!

Obviously this isn't good at the moment, but in the long term it might be the best thing for him personally.

Yeah he's gonna miss a bunch of install, not good. He's still a worry and a distraction. Goddammit.

He better help take us to the Super Bowl one day because he's been a huge pain in the ass.
And I root for his sobriety.

Corey Column just lit up a big bong in celebration...

Sad to hear the news about Josh ...

This, if true, makes me feel good for Josh Gordon. He is taken precautionary steps to make sure he doesn't slip again. That should be applauded.

If this is the case, then yes, I am glad that he is taking preemptive measures with his recovery.

Also, given John Dorsey's statement it seems like the team is backing him fully.

Furthermore, Gordon has been posting workout videos on Instagram all week long.

Youngstown, 5-10 years ago Joey votto, reds first baseman, missed half a season or so with some sort of anxiety disorder. hopefully josh being proactive will prevent a long term absence later.

In Josh's situation, everything is one day at a time. Stress, Anxiety triggers relapse. So, it looks as though he did what he needed to do for his treatment plan. Good for him.

This is actually good news, as he is owning and being proactive in his continued recovery. The stress of life and a new season could cause a relapse. I want to see Josh the full season, not suspended for another two years. If it means he misses the first week or two of camp, then so be it. His health is more important that football.

When these types of news stories come out, you really can tell who actually reads the articles and who just responds to the headline of the thread.

I listened to someone on the radio talk about the issue and they brought up a good point: Josh Gordon said that he's NEVER played a collegiate or pro game sober. Think about that. He's got a lot to overcome. He may have slipped up since the anxiety of camp without substance is nearing, or he anticipated a slip up.

let's hope its' the latter.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patri...lcolm-mitchell/

Malcolm Mitchell a possibility? Probably would cost a 7th round pick

As I was reading through the thread it occurred to me the anxiety could be a direct correlation to the fact he played high and/or drunk all the time ...

As wierd as this sounds ..... Playing football may be too stressful for him ... at the least he messed up as TC approached one year and was drunk and/or high for most of his games ... one thing they tell U in recovery is to avoid “situations” that usually ended with u drink or high ... before football games seems to be one of those “situations” for Josh ...

GOOD LUCK MR. GORDON!!!!

Yeah, it may be that he's not meant to play football, at least as he's trying to deal with his demons right now.

Sucks for us, but we're used to it

I think Eli Rodgers is coming in today. I think he is a pretty nifty receiver. Dez Bryant is still available.

So, what would you do at WR?

A. Sign Eli Rodgers

B. Sign Dez Bryant

C. Make a trade for someone like Mitchell

D. Nothing, because we can count on Gordon w/out a doubt.

I’d have done A last week. With or without Josh he makes our WR room better IMO ...

Would not sign Dez or trade for Mitchell ...

If there were a viable option to “replace” Josh I’d more than likely make the move anyhow ...

With Josh and Jarvis we have two known entities ... and the best case for the current episode with Josh is it was “emergency preventive” cause of anxiety and the fact he seems to get stressed at this time of year and before games .... thats best case ... well whats to say he won’t need some help during the year .... u best make sure u have options just in case ...

Hmmmm ... makes me wonder ... how’d he do stress wise the 4 games he played in last year ... hmmm ...

Anyhow .. i’d Go get a viable option if i thought there was one ... dez or Mitchell are not good options IMO ... we’d be reaching IMO ...

Eli on the other hand ... i like him period ... IMO he’d make us better ...

Good question .. it made me think ... now teach me sumptin ...

And he is coming in today ... just read it on the site i always use on here ..

He left KC w/o a contract yesterday ... i’ll go grab it ...

Eli Rogers - WR - Free Agent

Free agent WR Eli Rogers is visiting the Browns.

Rogers left his weekend visit with the Chiefs without a contract and is headed to Cleveland. Oakland is also on tap for Rogers, but the Browns have the first crack. Rogers played the past three seasons in Pittsburgh under new Browns OC Todd Haley. Rogers, 25, had ACL surgery in January.

Related: Browns

Source: Field Yates on Twitter Jul 23 - 7:06 PM

I've been around addicts most of my life.
Unless you are that addict you have no idea what they are going through or why.
I do know that w/o exception those I know who manage it are heavily supported.
Stress is probably the #1 Trigger for relapse.
Dealing w/ it is crucial for any addict's recovery.
It is stated that this is a Proactive part of Josh's recovery.
Deal w/ it.

http://proactive12steps.com/alternative/
Seems to me he's following the steps.

Good answer.

I think most of the posters on this thread are relying on their emotions instead of their brains. They are getting angry w/people who don't think Josh missing the start of camp is a good thing. They are not thinking down the road because they are so bent on defending Josh.

You brought up a great point. Even if he does return before the season, who can say that this won't happen again? We don't know the answer to that question and many others. It's best to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

You made another good point. Even if Josh does return, we're still a better team by adding Eli. And if Josh doesn't come back, Eli will help ease the loss.

I think Eli is our best option. Now, if we find out that Josh isn't coming back, Dez might be the best option. But, I am not counting on us knowing whether or not Josh is coming back for awhile. And that won't change because some folks insist that "the sky is always blue."

There is one other factor to consider. There have been recent reports that the Browns might acquire Odell Beckham Jr. Wouldn't that make you say: "WOW!!!"

i wasn't aware of the ACL surgery.

I think if its what is being reported, and Josh seek out help because he was feeling pressure and didn't want to relapse, then that is a GREAT THING! Means his head is on straight, and HE WANTS TO BE HERE. It also means, a father is doing whatever he can to stay clean to provide for his family, but you know who cares about that.....

You are spot on. However I think once hes on the field, those feelings of anxiety and pressure will go away, as FOOTBALL is his release. He seems to be having trouble leading up to it, sitting. He had no issues when he played the 5 games last year, not muster. and he produced pretty well.

No way we look at Dez. That's just insane to me.

Its all about perception ... I see others and i’m in this group that see it as a bummer that he won’t be there to start camp and I know it will slow his growth within the O and working with TT and the other recievers .... im pretty sure everyone realizes this hurts the football team but its better than knowing his career is over ... theres a chance we will get him ...

I think ya’all are about 95% in agreement and as sometimes happens in here due to the way the writtten word is perceived .... that results in a back and forth that would make one believe U guys were on polar opposite sides on the issue ...

I completely understand why we disagree on that 5% .. i actually can see your side and actually agree with it in a way .. i understand and get it ..

I do agree that emotions have taken over ... its to be expected ... i really think this is preventitive .. if it is preventive its a GREAT THING he did it ... HUGE STEP for him in living a clean and sober life .. and i know u know this but thats whats really important here ... if he does come back there is absolutely a reason to believe it could happen again ... you’d be foolish to ignore that possibility while doing everything u can to help the struggling young man ..

I want nuttin to do with Dez ... hes lost a step and he was never a burner ... hes an aging vet with diminishing skills and a crap ass attitude .. not the guy i want around our pups ...

I wish there was another viable option .. sometimes even blue skies get a bit cloudy .. *L* ...

I want nuttin to do with OBJ .. he may be 2nd best in football (hop is the best IMO) .. but he’s gonna break the bank and even though he works his ass off (witch makes it even more remarkable i don’t want him .. ) ... hes a sellfish jack ass that gonna break the bank ..

U want him?

When it comes to football, I try and think w/my head rather than my heart.

I'm glad he is seeking help rather than falling back into his past ways [if we can believe the reports] however, I don't think the fact that he is having these issues is a good thing.

I truly hope he makes it back and I have believed in him more these past several months than I ever did previously. However, I think it would be ignorant to ever count on the guy.

If I were the GM........I would hope he makes it back and I would support him, but I would move forward as if he wasn't going to be here.

And hell yes, I would want OBJ. I have to laugh at how some Brown's fans talk about OBJ's character and then turn around and defend Gordon's. I think both guys have a ton of talent and both guys have their issues.

Anyone that is addicted to ANYTHING, has these issues. Hell, I quite smoking about a year ago, and I have days where I want to fire up a smoke. I know what your trying to say, but its perfectly normal to have the issues and feelings he is having. Have you ever been addicted to anything?

No offense, man...........but, I'm not going to allow you dictate the narrative. I fully understand the powers of addiction. Justifying what goes along w/addiction does not mean that the problems go away. They are always there. And pretending that they are not a problem is not a wise business decision.

No one is pretending they are not there....sheesh, I literally JUST SAID they are always there, and that its normal. The post is above if you need to go back and read it.

You are saying its not a not a good thing - I get what you are trying to say. But I think 1. for someone who is an addict (josh), its perfectly normal to feel those things and 2. ***IF**** the story is what Schefter is reporting, this is a GREAT thing. JMO.

Edit to add: I don't know what "narrative" you think I am trying to dictate. I am voicing my opinion, if you disagree all the power to you. But I will dictate my opinion any way I see fit.

another concern is this: even if JG returns by week 1, plays well, stays healthy, etc ... he can reach this point at ANY time ... he be forced (by himself or the medical professional) to enter rehab at any moment. We'll have to deal w/it for his career.

I don't think anyone thinks Josh missing training camp is anything other than a bad thing.

Where I think the confusion lies is that people would much prefer that Josh would be proactive and take the time away (even from TC) in order to manage his addiction and prevent something that will lead to a suspension. In essence, the narrative is that he's going to stay away from part/all of TC in order to avoid a suspension.

For me, It's comforting to have Schefter tweeting what he did about Gordon. I would love love love to believe that Gordon is being super conservative about his addiction and treatment. It's just that this situation sounds a lot like his established MO. I'd love to believe that he's different now.

I'll praise him when he cuts Gordon... why would a 1-31 team that is rebuilding need this kind of distraction, beats me.

IMHO, Gordon should have been cut ages ago.

For me it's quite easy to understand there are two sides to this.

There's the side that dictates it's better for Josh to get the help he needs on a personal level so he doesn't have a relapse.

There's the side in terms of this season for the team that dictate missing some if not most or all of training camp, since there has been no timetable set for his return, goes against development of our passing game.

There's also the concern that this may be a recurring event given the stress of the NFL.

I don't believe looking at every side of the issue from both the team and the player is a bad thing.

If this is a proactive move to prevent a relapse.. then this is a super move IMO.. as Josh has said he's never played sober.. so I'm hoping that once he does and discovers that he can actually play at this level, this would be such a confidence booster.. and thereby be further preventative of a relapse.

Yawn rumors of josh failed test then he seeks help. Read that story somewhere before