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Told ya so before the draft. We lost our chance to trade him now. Oh well typical Browns.. Moving on.

I used to agree w/you about WRs, but I think the game has changed. It's a passing league now and you can see that the NFL values WRs quite a bit by where they are drafting them and by the contracts they are giving them.

Eli drops....everything.

Here's a very simple formula that defines the state of the Browns receiving corps:

Ricardo Lewis on Browns roster = Browns receiving corps sucks.

We have had such crappy QB play that it is hard to know who sucks. (though Louis's drops do put him in that category, because that's obvious)

Landry, Callaway, Duke Johnson, Coleman, Higgins, Ratley

I like what we have and Coleman may still have a difficult time making the roster. We have some explosive guys on this roster. I am intrigued by Willies also. Have heard he is a total physical freak but no nothing about the guy.

Guys will step up in camp and this group is a good group for Baker. He likes to give guys the ball in the run after catch area. This group can run.

Ratley and Callaway are gonna change the wide receiver position and if they can absorb some of Landry's traits of hands and route running then we are in good shape.

I would also add, about Higgins:

I don't think that he is a #1, or even a #2. However, I think that he can be a useful #3 or #4.

JMHO

Higgins should imitate everything Landry does. Consistency and precision is his ticket to becoming a good receiver.

j/c

Browns reverse course, place Josh Gordon on "Did Not Report" List

Posted by Mike Florio on July 25, 2018, 2:08 PM EDT

After Browns receiver Josh Gordon issued an aspirational-but-ominous statement regarding the fact that he’ll miss the first week of training camp, Browns G.M. John Dorsey said that Gordon will be placed on the non-football injury list. According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Dorsey said Wednesday that the Browns will use a different designation.

According to Cabot, the Browns will place Gordon on the “did not report” list.

On the surface, that doesn’t mean much. He’s either with the team or not, and if he’s not with the team, the Browns need to find a way to account for him until he returns.

But “did not report” implies something more negative and voluntary than the non-football illness designation. It has the sound and feel of a holdout; indeed, it potentially makes Gordon subject to the daily fine of $40,000 for each day he missed.

Maybe there is, in a roundabout way, a desire by Gordon to improve his financial standing. Because Gordon appeared in only five games in 2014 and five games in 2017, his shot at free agency (restricted or unrestricted) continues to be delayed. This year, the Browns were able to keep him by offering a one-year, $790,000 deal. Maybe the anxiety that reportedly is keeping him from camp arises in part from the fact that, more than six years after being drafted, he’s still making peanuts relative to other elite receivers.

Or maybe the Browns simply placed Gordon on the “did not report” list in order to free up the 90th roster spot. Absent an explanation as to why they used the device (the question has been posed), it’s impossible to know why the Browns opted for this specific designation. Either way, the words “did not report” carry much different weight than “non-football illness.”

????

Opens up another roster spot for camp til Josh is ready makes complete sense to me ...

Its really slow right now ...

As if he’ll ever be ready. I hope he gets the help he needs but Browns fans that believe he’s a future contributor as a WR are dilusional.

Lets hope your wrong ... i prefer optomist ...

When asked about Josh Gordon:



https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1022167680634171393

A question for those more informed than me, why couldn't Josh Gordon have started this process two weeks ago instead of the week training camp starts?

j/c

I can't help but wonder how much the presence of Hard Knocks plays a roll in this story. It's hard enough for a person trying to change destructive life patterns without having cameras always present making his struggles a topic for prime time television.

I'm rooting for Josh, but man, there's always something negative surrounding this guy. At some point, you wonder if the team is going to say "enough is enough."

I've wondered that for a long time. I guess the reward if he gets it together is very high, or at least probably, and the risk is you just get rid of him when it gets too much to endure. Unless..... he negatively affects the young players on the team.

I really hope this is the case. JG is probably our second biggest story line (after Baker), and his past and drug use would inevitably be a huge part of that series. Also, isn't it mandatory that players participate with "Hard Knocks" ala interviews and what not?

Maybe Josh and his team just realized it'd be too much for him? Maybe they knew all along but didn't want the league to basically tell the Browns no, he has to participate?

I don't know. This doesn't look good or feel good and I'm trying to not be too optimistic. But I feel like if JG was suspended, we would have heard about it already.

Because anxiety attacks don't come on a scheduled basis.

Browns voice support for Josh Gordon through leave of absence

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-voice-support-for-josh-gordon-through-leave-of-absence


The Browns want Josh Gordon to be the best version of himself both on and off the field.

It’s why head coach Hue Jackson and general manager John Dorsey said they’ll respect the gifted wide receiver’s leave of absence with training camp set to open Thursday.

“I think he’s done everything we’ve asked him to do,” Jackson said Wednesday in a news conference previewing camp. “He’s doing everything he can to prevent future issues … I think this is a young man who’s putting himself in position to be better for himself and for his football team.”

“I think the best thing for Josh and his well-being is to be where he is,” Dorsey added.


Gordon announced Monday he won’t be in attendance for the start of camp as part of an “overall health and treatment plan” following a public struggle with addiction. While the Browns “absolutely” expect Gordon to return at some point, it’s unclear when that might happen.

Gordon, 27, returned to the field late last season following a three-year suspension for multiple violations of the NFL’s substance abuse policy. In five games, he flashed the talent that made him one of the league’s most-electric players and is expected to play a major role on Cleveland’s new-and-improved offense.

Citing a desire to remain on a positive path, Gordon believes that “by continuing to follow the plan set up by our medical director and his team and taking this time before this season starts, we believe it will help me maintain the progress I’ve made for not only today but for many years to come.” He added: “I am excited to start the season and I have every intention of being ready and available to join my teammates soon to help bring winning football to our fans.”

Dorsey said the Browns will designate Gordon as a “did not report” player in order to free up a roster spot for camp. They’ll also evaluate whether signing a free agent, such as former Cowboys star wide receiver Dez Bryant, makes sense in the meantime.

Cleveland’s leadership expressed empathy for Gordon and made clear they’ll support him through his absence.


“We’d like to have all of our players here, but we do know things come up,” Jackson said. “You’re talking about a young man who’s doing everything he can to be put in the best position in his life … When Josh is ready to return, he’ll return.”

“I made a statement back in the winter where if Josh was 100 percent committed to the Cleveland Browns, the Cleveland Browns are 100 percent committed to him,” added Dorsey. “He had a great offseason, let’s just see what happens here … All I care about is, let’s respect his privacy, and let’s move forward.”

It's funny, in a very morbid way, to see a lot of JG lovers heart broken yet once again with question marks swirling around their heads. Not even any official news, but it can't stop the wave of various emotions. I think he's danced with the fanbase emotion's more than anyone to my knowledge.

Luckily for me, I never went into this season expecting him to be here or be available.

I think Higgins will make the team, even when Gordon comes back.

I have to give the Browns credit. They have been more than patient and understanding w/Josh and their continued support for a player who hasn't done much on the field is commendable.

Let's hope Josh--and his tremendous potential--repay the Browns in a big way.

Amen +1

Hoping for the best. As others have said I don't believe for a second Dorsey or the Browns were banking or relying on Gordon. But they are doing everything to give the young phenom a chance to get straight and play again.

Like many I suspect Hard Knocks plays a big factor. Good for Josh if he is doing the right thing and this is precautionary... I don't agree with the posters crowing "I told you so" ... because we don't know what the situation is.

Without JG - Coleman (with some assumptions about his play and health), Landry, Calloway & Higgins wouldn't be the worst 4 WR in the league and then add Duke & Njoku into the mix and it would be an improvement on many years for the Browns receiving corp..... It's no where near as intimidating as with JG as your #1 - but it wouldn't be a reason to think we can't win 4+ games still.

That's a good question. Unfortunately I'm not privy to what's going on with Josh, his agent Drew Rosenhaus, or his other advisers.

To play devil's advocate, this could be a sort of non-holdout holdout. Because Josh has been suspended for 11+ games in 4 of his 6 seasons, he only has 2 accrued seasons. So he has a 1 year, $790,000 contract this year as an exclusive rights free agent, hits restricted free agency next off-season, and then unrestricted after and even that can be delayed by the franchise tag.

This may be Rosenhaus's way of putting the screws to the Browns in a way that the Browns wouldn't dare fight back against. So now Josh has carte blanche to show up whenever he wishes. Wants to skip training camp? He has anxiety and needs help with his drug problem. See ya in three weeks!

It's pretty ingenious, really, if that is indeed what is going on (again, devil's advocate and all that implies.)

I think the fact that "Hard Knocks" is in camp played as big of a factor as any. Any addict is in a fragile situation in recovery. They are told to avoid stressful situations and triggers. A TV show, with a camera in your face, is stressful.

He had no problems returning last year and practicing for one week before starting. This whole things sound like crap and you know it... and FLASH loves the lights...

He is not a kid, cut this crap excuses...and weed is not that addictive so he clearly has been messing with some heavier stuff.

You obviously have not followed his story at all, bro. He was way more into stuff than weed. . . . were talking hard stuff - addiction is no joke or "kid crap".

maybe I am wrong, but I thought his agent (drew) dropped him because the well was dried up w/ funds?

I was talking about the anxiety excuse, which is related to the weed supposed addiction.

Whats all that with the rehab hero crap... most of us never did that stuff, nor needed any help. Taking drugs is/was his choice, being an addict also. Makes no sense to praise a guy who can't even do what any normal human being does.

We are well pass the 2nd chance stuff here....He is not a kid, IMHO, we should stop wasting time with this stuff.

]wow, I hope you never have a child that falls victim to an aggressive doctor prescribing him not needed meds.....

Once again, you obviously don't know what you talking about. Anxiety is anxiety - who said it was because of weed? Do you have a link? Please share - the dude was on hard drugs and alcohol supposedly for years -

Wow, your a great guy huh? A human being is trying to better himself, SHOWING maturity by admitting he has a problem and SEEKING help, and you just want to bash him? So let me guess, someone O'ds and you bash them for O'ding and call them a useless meth head, right? But then that SAME useless meth head wants to get help and tries too, and you call them "crap" and "childish". huh, maybe josh should just put a gun his mouth since he cant win what YOU think is the right thing for him to do.....

Maybe, maybe not, I don't know what got him into it in the first to make that ASSumption. So the guy who gets a prescription FROM A DOCTOR and is TOLD to take this amount, gets addicted - its his fault? Tell me, why did JG take drugs the first time? Do you know? what was going on in his life that he did? do you know? so your Assuming again, why/what/is his issue?

Makes no sense to bash a guy for trying to get clean, and wanting to better his life and HIS KIDS. you make me sick.

Good point... as I remember, there were actually three agents who parted ways with Josh. Was Drew Rosenhaus one of them? I'm actually having a hard time coming up with who is Josh's current agent.. but it's probably not Drew Rosenhaus. Disregard my comments about him although I don't think it changes a whole lot other than that.

I disagree. They're getting a potential pro bowl receiver for UDFA money. They'd be stupid to let him go. It does seem like they're sincere in hoping JG gets through this in a healthy manner.

I think you are both sort of right .... there's ways of doing this the right way and while Browns FO have a vested interest in keeping hold of potentially one of the best WR's in the game on a cheap contract - they have gone about it the right way and I don't get any feeling that they also don't have JG's best interest in mind. I think the $$$ is secondary in the process.

He has more yards receiving for the Browns than anyone else on the roster.

jc

His salary is $790,000 and the daily fine is $40,000 and if he stays out 5 days that $200k, that 1/4 of his pay. Having anxiety can be real costly for him. Hard to say where his head is at and what to believe, just hope he can come back soon or hang it up for good. Time to fish or cut bait.

IMO, this new approach from the team certainly begs to question the situation for me. You're not "supporting a player you feel has legitimate issues" if you're fining him 40k a day for not being here. I believe there must be far more to this story than we know.

Is that even the case? I haven't seen the word "rehab" being used in any articles. Just that he's been seeking help, which could be anything.