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I think you are giving Gordon way too much credit for this team being bad...Gordon is just a cog, whether he is available or not, whether he is playing poorly or like an All Pro. It takes 53 guys to make up a roster and each one of them contribute in one way or another. There is no way that all 53 guys contribute to all the Super Bowls the Patriots have won, just as there is no way all 53 contribute to an 0-16 Browns team...however, each and everyone contribute to the overall makeup. The core of about 35 guys really determine how good or bad a team is. If you don't have 35 guys, you don't have a team that can compete every week.

Josh Gordon is good enough to be one of those 35, which is why he is being given the room needed to take care of his issues. If he wasn't of that caliber, he would have been let go a long time ago.

The difference is, you can't count on him as one of the 35. He isn't hurting your team in any way at this point. It doesn't matter if he is gone 2 years or 2 days, if he isn't being counted on, then he is just an extra piece when he is there. He isn't a cancer in the locker room though. He has very real issues, issues that many can probably relate to.

I have a question. I haven't logged in in a couple days.

A couple pages back, folks were talking about supporting Josh Gordon, but not counting on/depending on him. I like the sound of that, and that's where I'm at with Gordon... but from an X's and O's perspective, what does that look like? His talent is undeniable, and if/when he is on the field, his talent puts him #1 on the depth chart, and nowhere else.
Does that mean we're counting on him? Supposedly Corey Coleman is going to slide into Gordon's spot while he's gone, but presumably once Gordon gets back, Coleman goes back to whatever he was doing before... are we not depending on Gordon?

Honest question.

My honest answer is that I think Landry is #1 on the WR depth chart. Three time pro bowler. People keep the 2013 Gordon in their minds but seem to forget about 2017 when in 5 games he had 18 receptions.

For Gordon to return to his 2013 form is nothing more than pure speculation at best. And anyone who would count on Gordon at this point considering his track record isn't thinking clearly.

It isn't.

I think she's terrible because she's long-winded when she writes, she stirs the pot especially with QBs, spends too much time writing about said QBs, won't shutup about Baker, takes quotes from other media outlets and turns them into her own story, says "you know" a lot during interviews, always ends a story with a lame play-on-words, and could probably find more interesting stories about the players if she did some digging.

Just a few.

My faith is steadfast, resolve will mean something.

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This is an interesting theory.

Just as good as any other right now.

Ding ding ding, if I’m in Vegas, that’s where I’m putting my money. Not knowing many people in rehab, it sounds like a logical conclusion.

If I was battling addiction, I wouldn’t want a spotlight on me, early in the process.

I hope your crystal ball is cooking or your Magic 8-Ball or whatever is locked down on this. So far no indication of violation. Been the Heartbreak Kid for fails.

DB to try out. Man. That would motivate me. He must hate HBO perhaps.

Clean and Stronger, JG.!

jc

I haven't followed this all that closely. I'm also not an addiction recovery expert.

How much time would it typically take for somebody to get over anxiety over a possible drug relapse? I imagine there is some variability there, but any general guidelines-- are we talking days, weeks, months?

I’m really not a betting man, but I’m betting he is in Berea at least 2 weeks before pit, locked and loaded for week 1. This doesn’t require a leap of faith, just a push of support.

As a former addict.....it can be years.....and it can be never....addiction is insidious, and its different for everybody....there really isn't any program/formula/cure to recovery....

for most people, it ends when they either get sick of the life, or end up dead or in prison....

even people with many years clean can slip up and start using again...and its always there....that urge or drive, whatever you call it, some people learn not to answer, and through a variety of means they manage to ignore it.....some ppl fall victim again and again....

personally, I just got sick of the life.....always having to worry about having to score, worrying about money, making that trip to the hood....every.....single....day......dealing with shady ppl, worrying about the authorities.....depending on joe dopeman to answer your call everyday and even the reliable one's have their moments....go wait here.....a half hour later he's telling you, I'm ten minutes away....

yeah, the life got old......

You are way too dramatic. I want him to get clean. I've wanted that for years. I just get sick of you yelling at people and pointing to speculative reports as the truth.

I have a question. A few posters [this was started by wil] are saying that Josh is tested 10 times a month and it could be anywhere on the globe.

I hadn't heard that. I typed in a few search phrases regarding the claim and there wasn't an article that came up that verified he is being tested 10 times a month no matter where he is at.

So, does someone have a link that proves wil's claim to be true?

Thanks in advance.

I dont Have a link but I believe it is up to 10 times a month.

Up to?

That is different than what wil said.

I read somewhere very recently, that it was indeed up to 10 times per month...

Yes, up to. That is different than what was said.

That seems extreme. More than twice a week....

"Gordon is in Stage Three of the NFL's Substance Abuse program and is subject to random testing up to 10 times a month. He announced his exit from the team on Twitter Monday morning."

Taken from this article:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/07/josh_gordon_2.html

Thanks for the link. Thus, wil just made that up to win an argument.

Bro, I know what the damn rule is. LMAO It was a rhetorical question.

The dude was talking out of his butt and I politely called him on it.

Tyler gave you a pretty good answer, I agree with everything he said.

Specific to Gordon, he has previously said that he ALWAYS either drank or drugged before games, that he has been doing it all his life. He's trying to keep his head down, do his daily routines, and stay on a path.

Enter HBO Hard Knocks. You absolutely know they will make JG one of the main stories of this year's series. Can he stay sober, will his skills be intact or diminished, how is he adjusting, how is being a role model for Callaway going to affect his own struggles, etc, etc. THAT is putting a lot of stress on him, and stress is one of the main things that triggers relapse.

If I am reading the situation correctly, he recognized the stress and how it was affecting him, and he preemptively removed himself from the stressful situation. That is one of the main things they teach in rehab, recognize when stress is affecting your thinking, and do what you have to do to alleviate the stress.

Is it Hard Knocks? When will he return? Will it happen again? These are all million dollar questions. But this is Gordon's unique situation, and trying to relate it to anything I've ever had to deal with, or any other person who has learned to live sober, is an exercise in futility. It's his struggle.

Ok, I have to ask, because I'm not an HBO subscriber and have never seen this Hard Knocks before.

Is it a fluff piece, with some feel good things, and some angst things.

But nothing really hard core? Just fluff with edges?

Because I don't think Gordon would care about that.

That compares nothing to dealing with anxiety and whatever mental demons he has about playing and not falling into an addiction habit.

Just saying.

I have never been a fan of Hard Knocks. The few episodes I have seen have had camera crews following players on the field, in meetings, and at home with their families. They don't do it with every player, but they pick 3-4 players to focus on. They love to show players anguishing over position competition or potential cuts, personal demons, anything that can give the program an edge to captivate viewers. It's not a fluff piece here or there, for the players they are focusing on, it seems like a major intrusion into their lives. For some the limelight is welcome, for others, not so much.

I've never watched 'Hard Knocks' either, but I have watched all of the 'Building The Browns' episodes and I love them. I am assuming it will be similar, but without editing language etc. Also, don't they (HK) film the player cutting process? That could be both fascinating and heartbreaking.

I am planning to get "HBO Now" just so I can stream it and then cancel once it is over.

They showed some episodes of the Jets/Rex Ryan series, and it was somewhat interesting. They showed them discussing the various players and how they could fit from both a talent and a roster makeup standpoint. That was kind of interesting.

I am hoping that I get the "HBO free weekend" for the 1st week, then I'll sign up for my free month "tryout" for the rest. There is very little on any of the "premium" channels that I could not live without quite easily.

Hard Knocks is entertaining for me ... I like the coaches/GM meetings and player/Gm meetings .. I hope we get some insight into the Dez discussions and inner workings of personnel stuff

In the PD article today, it alluded to Gordon having to ask for reinstatement from Godell, that sounds an awful like a suspension...not sure waht the deal is with that.. I'm leaning towards him being done if that is true

Link?

I didn't see that article, but remember hearing that in order for him to return he'll have to request permission from the commissioner (don't recall the exact language)

jc too

What occurred to me was that i didn't know circumstances. Assume anxiety related maybe.

Was it anxiety, then drugs? Drugs relapse. so anxiety? Neither? Some and some?

I want him healthy. Just the mystery and privacy is clouding this.

Per a league source, Gordon’s return to the active roster won’t be automatic. He’ll have to make a written request for reinstatement to the Browns, and the Commissioner will have to approve it.

At this point, there’s no reason to think the Browns wouldn’t welcome him back, or that the Commissioner would block his return. That said, the Commissioner retains broad discretion on the question of whether Gordon has in any way violated the specific terms of his treatment plan under the substance-abuse policy, which by rule would subject him to another suspension of at least one year.

^ This makes me think that Goodell added layers of control to Josh's ability to play in the league after last year.

Pure speculation but it could mean that Josh missed a drug test because he "did not report."

That sounds like a formality to me.

Yeah I agree