DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Can the U.S. government stop the hate?

The purest, most evil form of hate is murder. There’s no worse act of hate than murdering someone.

According to FBI statistics, currently 17,000+ Americans are murdered in the U.S. every year. That’s more than 46 murders every single day.

More than half these murders are committed by African Americans

Even though African Americans only account for ~ 13% of the U.S. population.

In other words, African Americans kill more Americans every day than the other 87% of Americans combined. (white, hispanic, asian, native american, Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, etc..)

When an ethnic group that only makes up 13% of a country’s population is committing more than half the murders in the country every year, there’s obviously a cultural correlation.

And it’s not only murder, there’s also violent crimes. Aggravated assault, armed robbery, rape.



Doesn’t this graph mean that nearly 5% of all U.S. African American male adults are in prison at any given time?

Can the government stop this hate?

Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.

The only hope is to start by bringing it out in the open and thoughtfully discussing it.

Is not the major influencing factor, 'environment'?

Like most conversations of this type, the allegation does not fit the data. "Cultural" differences (I put this in quotes because this is dog whistling dude) do not show up on a graph. You don't see a disproportionate number of white kids listening to rap music murdering people.

What whites commit crime at the same rate as black? The impoverished. If you're poor you are at higher risk of being a victim of violent crime. So if you want to help fix this issue, the real issue is how we address poverty in America, which disproportionately affects African Americans.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

Yet another thread implying that African Americans are inherently violent.

I’m looking forward to the responses.

Rocky's not racist. He plays poker with a Jewish man and does the taxes of a Puerto Rican family's business!

[quote=gage]Like most conversations of this type, the allegation does not fit the data. "Cultural" differences (I put this in quotes because this is dog whistling dude) do not show up on a graph. You don't see a disproportionate number of white kids listening to rap music murdering people.

What whites commit crime at the same rate as black? The impoverished. If you're poor you are at higher risk of being a victim of violent crime. So if you want to help fix this issue, the real issue is how we address poverty in America, which disproportionately affects African Americans.

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If Rocky's stats are accruate that means half the 13% are Female. They don't murder at the same rate as males.

I think the Whites and other groups of impoverished far out number Black impoverished. So you can't blame that on poverty.

Trump is making huge gains on Black unemployment so you would think things would be getting better. Can we count on your vote for Trump in the next election? MAGA

I’m somewhat convinced this isn’t exactly an all out race thing as it is poverty, access to good representation, and a financial stable background.

Are you suggesting robbery isn't a cultural problem but an economic problem??? That sounds outlandish!

I say it’s both but IMO the major factor is economic.

More immigration and more Marijuana!


More Mad Maxine Waters...

If you do that, Whites will murder you.

Martin Luther King Jr. (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968)
R.I.P.

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I don't think the government can stop something like this. The government didn't stop this thread.

p.s. The original post has no link. This 'data' could be from anywhere, published by anyone, to suit any agenda. Without attribution, it is meaningless. Rules should be followed.

Some posters even after being called out multiple times simply can not control their urges. Sad.

Any serious threat of equality in America and they'll do that.

J.F.K. and R.F.K.

Yep.
Your Pops was right.

How many BLACKS killed by ABORTION?

It's not even the men, it's the movements. These movements threatened to bring social and economic change to the class structure in America. The strategy was cut off the head of the snake. The only reason we don't see more of this is the very real fear those in power have of being discovered and the pitchforks coming out for them. We as a people must draw lines and when those lines are crossed, we must effect change.

When all else fails, change the subject or post a meme. That's why you're the biggest joke on this board.

You noticed that, too?

Also, take a look at the graph. It's entitled something like: Percentage of adult males incarcerated by race and ethnicity.

It's from 2009. I think it is from the state of North Carolina. It includes both prisons and jails.

Wouldn't the title suggest that it is for crimes of all types and not just murder and other violent crimes? Wonder how many minorities are in jail for drugs, petty theft, and other crimes that are a long way from murder?

My point, his graph was meant to deceive rather than illuminate.

How can we stop such hate?

This doesn’t help:

Missouri state senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal

“I hope president Trump is assassinated.”



Isn’t calling for the president’s assassination a felony?

Say this in an airport security line and you’re not gonna go home for awhile. Or on an airplane.

It's most certainly the wrong thing to do no matter what your politics is. But I never heard you bring it up from 2008-2016.

Male/Female distribution is fairly even regardless of income. This has no bearing on anything being discussed.



This was in the report I linked to. The rate of violent victimization indexed by poverty level is significantly higher for the poor community compared to other segments. Additionally, the poor whites have a higher rate than poor blacks. This is indexed per 1,000 people to account for population differences. Do you have any actual data to dispute my claim that poverty is linked to violence?



Black unemployment still doubles white unemployment. We should caution ourselves against setting low bars for success and then be in a rush to congratulate ourselves. I also find it curious that the black unemployment rate has been steadily falling for the last 7 years, yet this is something only brought up for political expediency very recently.

It was really really bad from 2007-2016. It didn't get 'fixed' until the guy who said this:



got into office.

That's when things got done.

Let’s take a global look at the problem.

Remember South Africa? And the evil Law & Order Apartheid?

Remember the white Nazi-like Afrikaners? How repulsive.

Thank goodness they’re gone.

Many of them permanently.



No, it’s not South Africa’s Arlington Cemetery.



South Africa experiences about the same number of murders every year as the U.S. 17,000+ murders per year.

With two exceptions:


1) There’s only 55 million people in South Africa,
2) Black South Africans commit ~ 99% of the murders.

Only 10% of the population is white now. And they’re not murdering anyone.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think South Africa now has the highest murder rate in the world.

Why is there so much hate?

Five lowest murder rates in the world?

Switzerland, Singapore, Iceland, Japan & Luxembourg.

I see a common thread.

Rocky your racial posts are always cringeworthy if not completely absurd. I would attack you for being a bigot but it obviously doesn't matter to you, so I'll just say this; I hope I never have the unfortunate luck of meeting you in person.

Same. Small countries, great economies and even better social safety nets.

I read the entire thread waiting for the usual suspects to call you a racist.

Usual suspects? Do you advocate that violent crime is racially genetic? This is what he is advocating... I would say you are waiting for the adults to correct him again.

This is ridiculously racist and argued in bad faith.

There's a higher correlation to poverty and a lack of education than there is race, and that knowledge has been common for nearly 50+ years. Anyone focusing on the latter is either oblivious or racist.

He's doing the opposite.

Arguing genetics over environment (i.e. "nature" over "nurture" would be the racist angle.

That's what rocky hill dawg, Sam Harris, Charles Murray and the rest of the caliper crew do.

It's unfortunate that he has you on ignore, and won't see your message but more unfortunate that he follows the same crew and blocks out any outside noise.

we call that safe spaces.

So when I say that there is a problem in urban black culture with violence would you consider that racist despite it clearly being about nurture and not nature?

and before you fly off the handle, yes economics plays a role, yes there have been discriminatory practices, I will concede all of that.

In that context, no it's not racists, it's factual; context matters. I would caution using the nurture argument though because that's not necessarily the major or even relevant underlying cause. But it is true in poorer areas where parents work more jobs, lack child care, drug use is prolific, law enforcement is stretched thin, etc. that the 'nurturing' of children must be taken into consideration. Now if you said it was due to genetics in any way, it would be absolutely racist.

It's definitely not nature, but there is something (and Pitt per capita I get it) with the way Urban children are brought up that perpetuates this violence. Some make it out, most don't.....There are a laundry list of variables that created the situation and there is no one "true" answer but there is a whole lot wrong with the culture.

I grew up on the fringes of said culture. I won't go into my activities as a youth but I have two, Tupac Shakur related tattoos on my back when I was 17. I never thought that I would be anything more than a High School drop out. You were a square going to school. Football saved my life, I got an offer from St. Eds to play (my grades weren't good enough without football), my mom said "You're going" and worked 3 jobs to keep me there. The rest is history but I fought my way out of the culture. Fighting at bus stops because of my shirt and tie, convincing my friends that I wasn't turning into one of those preppy rich kids etc.

I've lived it, John Marshall, my brother went, dropped out and went to jail. I'm not some family wealth republican with no experience.

No, eliminating genetic factors as a possible cause of the problem with no valid data upon which to make that assertion, would be racist, assuming that is your sole motivation for making the contention.

It is an effort to entirely avoid any discussion of any kind, which is counter-productive, but definitely deliberate.

So white people are the most violent then? Using historical and emperical evidence, they are clearly the most violent. What about the DNA makes them so prone to violence?

Violent threats from the left aimed at Republicans are growing -- When will Democrats condemn them?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/3...ndemn-them.html

Last week, a man was indicted for threatening to kill Republican Rep. Diane Black. “They were serious enough threats that the grand jury did take action,” Black said in an interview with Fox News.

It’s been barely a year since the shooting of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise during congressional baseball practice, and the story of the threats to Rep. Diane Black were barely a blip in our news.

The shooting last June should have been a wake-up call for our political discourse, but we’ve only been on a further slide since then.

This month, Black’s fellow GOP congressman, Jason Lewis, says his daughters were threatened. A man threatened to chop up Sen. Rand Paul’s family with an ax.

Trump supporters. And the Nebraska GOP office had bricks thrown through its windows and graffiti painted on its wall.

Last week, a guy was beaten up in Oakland after a crowd thought he was a member of the Proud Boys, a right-wing pro-Trump men’s-rights group.

In September I wrote about the perils of Nazi-punching, and how the online glee about a white supremacist being punched was misplaced and dangerous. One of my concerns was that the violence being cheered wouldn’t end with Nazis. It didn’t.

A telling incident took place this month when a group of Proud Boys wearing MAGA hats got into a fight at an LA bar. This LA Times quote from Josh Androsky, who led the fight against the Boys, is a stunner: “The Proud Boys say they’re not Nazis, and duh, they’re not from 1945, they’re not 100 years old. But in America, there’s a fun little thing, which is a catch-all term for right-wing racist hate groups, and it’s Nazi.”

He added: “The First Amendment protects the right to peaceably assemble. There’s no such thing as a peaceable assembly of Nazis. Just by virtue of their ideology, they are causing harm.”

Absurd. Even actual 100-year-old Nazis are protected by the First Amendment. Where are the prominent liberals to tell their supporters that, no, they can’t actually punch anyone they disagree with?

Before the election, there was a lot of concern that Donald Trump would lose and his supporters would take to the streets. Quartz magazine quoted Trump supporters who threatened “revolution” if he lost. An LA Times op-ed by Doyle McManus found Trump fans saying there’d be a “civil war.”

Since the election, there have been similar pieces about what Trump supporters would do if he were to get impeached or if he lost in 2020.

But there’s been very little exploration into the continuing violent outbursts by people unhappy that Donald Trump is president. The inevitable march from confronting Cabinet members in restaurants to confronting ordinary supporters of the president continues apace.

Where is the Democratic leadership? What would their response be if the party ID were reversed? And why isn’t the media hounding them for answers?

Even during the election, Republican leadership spoke out against Trump encouraging violence at his rallies. In March 2016 both Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio issued statements. Cruz was still in the race, so his shot could be seen as a political move on a competitor, but Rubio was out and pledging to support any eventual GOP nominee. Rep. Paul Ryan and Sen. Mitch McConnell both also made comments about the violence with McConnell noting that he had spoken to Trump about it.

It’s Dems’ turn.

In June, Maxine Waters famously said “If you see anybody from [the Trump] Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station — you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!” Her comments were greeted with appropriate outrage.

People — yes, even those who work in the Trump White House — should be allowed to pump gas or shop without having a crowd “push back on them.”

Rooms with soft walls.

I prefer Empirical data over that derived from the Imperial realm, but what data exactly are you using to make your claim?

If you would like to discuss the evidence for a possible genetic basis for the issue, we can do that, as well; however, you have made an assertion that, however garbled your expression, should be examined for any relevant factual information you claim to be in possession of.

Sure. Look at all of the recent wars. I'm assuming state sanctioned killing is still violence, right? Would that be a fair assumption?