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I would..but not saying i want to...lol

Can't speak for anyone but myself: I'd pass the nfl drug test with flying colors.

My contact states that I get a written notice a week before any drug test tyvm.

lol...ummm...

i'd pass a drug test with flying colors ... barely even drink juice or take a tylenol

anyways, I got peeved today when I heard someone say "Josh Gordon is a kid who needs guidance, blah, blah"

Yes, he does need help, which is fine ... but I HATE when these guys are called kids. The dude is 26-27 or whatever (just barely younger than me) ... at some point you gotta be held accountable (IMO after the age of 21-22) and man up

Does anyone know if Gordon attended the TT camp a few weeks ago?

From what I saw posted it was "This time around, Taylor had receiver Jarvis Landry to help him organize the workouts at the University of Southern California and UCLA. Quarterback Baker Mayfield, receivers Corey Coleman, Antonio Callaway and Landry, running backs Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson and tight ends David Njoku and Seth DeValve were in attendance."

IMHO,I think unless its a contract stunt (which I find highly doubtful) Gordon career is done, why is the team protecting him...

Njoku dropping balls in practice is normal, he always had problem, but until now, on game day he is doing ok.

he did not attend that get together last month ... and at the time, I remember commenting "Where's Gordon??"

Seemed a little fishy then IMO, and even more so now

This is one of those situations where you can't win.

It's hard to cut a guy like that.

If he has failed, where is he with the NFL? I am not sure what the next step might be...another year ban, two? Lifetime ban?

j/c


It seems like many don't understand anxiety as an issue and are ignoring that part of this. Most here also don't know Gordon, but I see a lot of negative assumptions.

I'll take the word of teammates and coaches and others close to him than the stated untruths by the same posters (ironically) here who criticize other posters for doing the same thing.

Im not concerned about Josh Gordon and expect him to play this season until told otherwise. The Dez rumors don't even seem real while some associate them with the lack of Gordon at camp. The Browns don't seem worried. I'm not worried.

I mentioned it before, but I'll do so again, anyone who questions the anxiety issues or assumes Gordon is done or he can't lay off the drugs, I highly recommend Steve Young's book.

Me too.

j/c:

Since Josh arrived, we have had posters who vigorously defend him no matter what. A few things that I find irritating about those posters.

--No matter how many times Josh has lied to us, those posters automatically believe him the next time he says something and they criticize posters who don't always think Gordon's word is golden.

--Posters resort to the guilt tactic. They say stuff it's all about caring about the person and not the football player. It's selfish and cruel to not care about him, Blah, blah, blah. Yet, they completely trashed Manziel for far fewer infractions. They completely turned their backs on Bess who had a drug problem that was fueled by mental illness. Why no talk of caring for those players? I think we all know why. They know that Josh has great talent and the others did not. Thus, spare me the argument that you "care" about the man.

--Those same posters often attack the character of other posters. Deflect the blame away from Josh and onto others.

--Josh is always the victim. It's the NFL's fault. The fans fault. Societies fault. The rules are unfair. People are out to get him. I yi yi yi.

The underhanded tactics of many of Josh's biggest supporters actually makes it harder to support him.

No, it doesn't. It DOES give you an object of deflection to 'justify' making your own thoughts the responsibility of someone else, however.


Flat out - it boils down to this: you either believe & accept what Josh, the team, his teammates, and the league are saying at face value about it not being an issue .... or, you don't and you are holding your guard up in expectation of a hidden narrative. That isn't abnormal.... we've all seen that show before.


I don't think the majority here WANT to not believe Josh, but I do think they are afraid of once again placing any sort of trust in him. They feel like they've been burned by him before and don't want to go there again.



The ONLY non-personal thing at stake here - and the ONLY thing that gets people riled up - is a roster spot on an NFL team, and let's face it, in the grand scheme of things, that just isn't very valuable, at all.... BUT, it is representative of why we're all here in the first place, so in this small sub-set of the population, it's value is exaggerated by our love of the game and this team in particular.

I was working in the garden when I was big enough to walk. I was 12, I was working for others cutting and hanging tobacco to help put food on the table. 14 until I graduated, I worked after school everyday as a janitor to help. I got mom to sign, so I could join the army at 17.

My life was hard, I wasn't given a damn thing. I didn't commit armed robbery, nor did I have the desire to carjack people that are just trying to make it.

The piece of crap Gordon has bragged about these things. He is a con artist that was blessed with the skills that could provide a wonderful life for his family but he has chosen over and over to put his selfish desires above everyone including his owwn child. But as long as he says its a disease its ok. He should just give up on football and stick to poker, since he is able to pull the victim card whenever he needs it.

Until proven otherwise I can never take the Browns team words at face value.

Ya ... tell that to a NFL coach.

Gladly.
And I'm betting that most would agree.

#I’mWithPurpOnThisOne

j/c

Reading this thread is funny. There are two distinct differences in what is being discussed when people speak about Gordon. One is Gordon the man and one is Gordon the player. It seems sometimes fans have a problem separating the two.

A team and corporation, which are both what the Cleveland Browns are, aren't in the position nor is it their responsibility to sacrifice the better good of an entire organization for a single individual. To this point they've done it because of Gordon's talent, not because they're so caring and giving. It's been weighed out from a business perspective. If Josh wasn't so talented, he would have been gone long ago.

He's been a negative, a drag and a distraction far more than anything else for years now with the Browns. Anyone wishing to dispute that point is simply wrong. If the team moved on from Josh today I would completely understand based on his history here.

That has zero to do with Josh as a person. But the Browns aren't a rehab facility nor are they responsible for Josh after year after year supporting him. At some point the wise thing to do is cut bait as a team with the constant distractions.

As a person I would highly doubt that there are many posters here that wish Josh any ill will. Speaking for myself I hope he has a wonderful and productive life. I hope he beats his demons and can move on and be successful.

I think some people are mixing up that many of us understand the difference in what we see and hope in Josh the player and in Josh the person. As a person we wish him the best. As a player he's a huge disappointment and distraction to the team.

I'm at the point that I'm not even worried about it. If he comes back, plays well, great. If not, so be it.

One human to another, I wish him well regardless.

I was hoping that Josh was finally starting to get his act together. Addiction is a monster, I've seen it destroy people. Until proven otherwise I will still cling to my hope that Josh will be playing for the Browns this year. If it turns out that he has violated again and let the monster win and gets banned, I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm a Cleveland fan, I am use to being disappointed.

That would be cool, I’ll go back to Game Six of the ‘48 World Series. To beat a team 10-9 and they’re up at the bottom of the inning...impressive.

Too bad he can’t seem to push away his demons with that arm.

Bro, you wouldn't even pass the written part... lmao

All I see is a lot of gossip. Know of us know if he has failed or not. He could be doing what he is doing to prevent a failure. He has obviously worked hard to replace his drug addiction with an exercise addiction and that should help him a lot but all that excessive exercise has a toll on the body too.

I think he just mentally has to destress to get his mind in the right place again. I think he has become aware of when he needs to mind his mental state to avoid drug use and is doing just that. He is a lifetime drug addict. This is something he will have to deal with the rest of his life. This guy is just doing what he can to keep himself on the right path. I am not going to cut him down for that.

As a player for the Browns he will never be a dependable player. He is always going to be emotionally and mentally fragile. The better he does, the more at risk he will be. That being said, Gordon and Landry working in sync and healthy is a recipe for complete offensive domination worthy of a championship. For that kind of talent you just have to roll the dice and hope for the best.

What happend to waiting to see whats going on here? ...

Couldn’t agree with u less ....

Right now with what we know ... it would be dumb as hell to let him go ...

If he relapsed ... i still think it would be dumb as hell but i would understand it .... with what we know now .... NO WAY should we release him ...

If anyone would offer us a non conditional 5th for him, I think I would take it.

No matter what else is going on,this is yet one more distraction with Josh. He has missed the 1st week of camp, and a week of learning a new system, and new teammates.

No matter if he relapsed with drugs, or had stress issues, I would move on. Neither is good for the long term health of the team. Neither is valuable either. What if we make the playoffs at some point, and he has to leave the team again?

There comes a time to cut bait, and that time is now, s far as I'm concerned.

Good for you.

If a roster spot is not that valuable then why do NFL owners pay millions of dollars to fill them? And In the grand scheme of things If Josh’s roster spot isn’t valued , why not cut him and stop all the drama here and now.

nrtu

At this point, the only real option with regard to JG is simply a wait and see....at the end of the day, the ppl with the most to lose in this situation are Gordon, the Browns players and coaches, and the Browns ownership. With that said, we haven't really seen a whole lot of movement, damage control, panic from the organization. We haven't seen much of anything that gives any indication that his status with the team/league is in any real jeopardy. The closest thing to emerge from this situation is the supposed interest in Dez Bryant; but even that doesn't necessarily mean anything with regard towards the status of Josh Gordon.

The media, and fans can go ahead and debate a load of theories about all this; but essentially its a bunch of nonsense. It carries no weight, and literally has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the guy is going to play this year.....so, I think that the fans should just take a page from the Cleveland Browns playbook, and just sit back and see where we are in about a month or two. Time is really the only thing that is going to resolve the issue.

From a personal standpoint, I could care less if the guy wants to twist one up before he hits the field...As long as he can do the job he's being paid to do, and he does the job well, then who really cares if he smokes marijuana. Its a dumb rule, and while, "rules are rules," I don't have to like those rules, nor do I have to act as though the rules are fair/necessary/just.

So in the meantime I'm just going to hope Josh does whats best for Josh, and maybe we'll learn more as we approach the preseason/season...

Legally The team cant say anything. Hippa laws

While that may be true, their actions tell a story too, and there really hasn't been any kind of panic, damage control; they have basically just maintained the same posture they've had, minus jg...

We have been without JG seemingly...forever.

Nice post. I would agree with you. Although I would point out if Josh the person is in a happy place then Josh the player should benefit.

I don't get it, the league, the team, and the coaches have said this was scheduled. Schefter, who guys like Vers have defended in the past, is suddenly lying? The reports say no suspension, no failed tests, yet many here are blasting the guy while knowing nothing.

It actually could be the truth, but don't let that get in the way of personal agendas.

The written part is a middle finger.

I’d like to wait til the bad news is confirmed before doing anything much less cutting him .. thats all ...

I have NO CLUE what to think about this ... NONE ...

None of it makes a lick of sense ..

Everything that has happened to Josh is his fault entirely. He's a God gifted moron so far in his life. All the talent, none of the ability to focus on the important things.

I'm of the opinion that he costs literally nothing to keep on roster at this point, so even the tiniest glimmer of hope is worth keeping him around. All indications are at this point that it wasn't a field test or anything serious he had rather him trying to stay on track.

Even if he fails a test, it hurts nothing to retain his rights. We don't pay him, he doesn't take a roster spot, and he isn't allowed around the team. Why would we ever simply cut him?