DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Baker Mayfield and Tyrod Taylor

What would it take for Baker Mayfield to unseat Tyrod Taylor as the starter (besides an injury)?

I don't know the answer to the question, but my guess is that most people would sit him even if he is clearly better than Taylor.

If Taylor poops the bed like Osweiler and Kessler did in the preseason, Mayfield could be in there against the Steelers.

That won't happen though, Taylor is much better than both and too good as a game manager.

Nothing - I'd sit him behind Taylor for the year with zero exceptions (excluding injury). The fact Mayfield is impressing thus far is really encouraging, but that just adds an additional reason as to why it is so important to protect his development and allow him the time required to make sure he's both mentally and physically prepared for the NFL. Tyrod Taylor is a free agent next year, and it will be Baker's team moving forward from that point.

I think when we realize that Baker is so much better than Tyrod, he will play.

We acquired Tyrod with a 3rd rd selection on really a one year rental insurance policy. Yet there are talks how Tyrod is going to be our starter this year at all costs. I have friends who hated the trade to get Tyrod, but are clamoring for him to start the entire season. I have to laugh. Why?

We drafted the best quarterback with the #1 pick and everyone wants to hold him back as if sitting a quarterback is some magic formula. I would bet Baker starts a game at some point this season and that's not a bad thing. This obsession with sitting a quarterback is ridiculous. Roethlisberger, Flacco, and Dalton didn't sit and all of them led their respective teams to the playoffs.

Sitting Baker isn't going to hurt him, but it could stunt his development. And if he's properly coached, playing him isn't going to hurt or stunt his growth either.

I think we've seen the quarterback the Bill's desperately wanted to get rid of and what he's capable of the past few seasons. And don't get me wrong, I wanted Tyrod, I'm happy he's here and I'm not a hater, but if Baker proves to be the better option you have to play him.

Can't see anything but Deshone Kizer level turnovers making it happen.

LOL.............that took long.

First rookie QB I can remember having a good camp. It was bound to happen.

What would it take?

1. an outright NEED for him to start
2. him showing CONSISTENTLY that he is READY to become the starter


This is just like Kizer and Manziel..... just because they are the best QB on the team does NOT mean that they are the best option RIGHT NOW or that they are READY to be out there.

As long as we have TT and Drew Stanton, there is no need, whatsoever, to start Baker before he is actually ready.

barring an injury to TT or just a trainwreck in the preseason, I hope we wait as long as possible.

Early reports are good, but I'm still skeptical (because of my history as a Browns fan).

I really, really don't want to see him start against Pittsburgh in week 1 ... that could have VERY negative consequences

Hopefully TT plays all season because he is playing well and we are winning games.

I've said all along the only time I want BM to start is when he is clearly and obviously a "better" QB ... I don't want him learning to be better than TT 'on the job'.

I think we are in a pretty decent situation at QB. No need to panic or drama.

If Hue and Haley think Mayfield gives them the best chance to win games over Tyrod, then I hope that's all it would take. If not, stay with Tyrod.

Baker should take the spot from TT if he is what they say he is. We haven't had a QB go out and take spot in decades. At most, its been this guy doesn't really suck as bad as the other guy.


I want Taylor to be pretty damn good but Baker to be so much better that you have to play him. If he is not, then you wait.

The media are just having fits for the lack of a QB controversy in TC. Despite what media has been told about TT and his status, they want to portray BM/TT as a "battle." Forcing the hype.

Just win.

If Baker isn't making it a battle, then something is wrong. You spend a 1 overall on a qb, there should be competition but I like the fact Hue says there isn't. Baker has to create it by playing well.

I completely disagree with you here. Some of the best QBs in the game: Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers sat for over a year or more and took the time to learn the game. It's NOT going to stunt his development. If anything, you have more to risk by plugging him in early and stunting his confidence.

And as I've said before, successful QBs usually come from one of three situations. They either sit and learn a system for awhile (Brady/Rivers), they get plugged into a team with a strong run game and defense where they are basically asked to not mess it up (Rothlis, Wilson, Flacco), or they just have the physical tools to power through those rough first few years (Manning, Vick, etc).

We were 0-16 last year, so I'm not counting on us to be a stable system where we can just plug Baker in and say he doesn't have to carry the offense. It's not going to hurt him to sit and learn while the rest of the team itself gets some more stability. Ideally, we want all situations to be close to true to give him the best chance to succeed.

I just wondered how long it would take before a poster on this board would bring up a QB debate that doesn't exist. Now I have my answer.

I think the idea of Naming Tyrod Taylor the starter was smart and was done for 2 reasons, 1. He's probably the best QB on the staff today and 2. Giving Mayfield time to learn and grow into our system.

Rushing rookie QB's into the game when it's not needed seems counter productive.

You do realize that he is planting a "Hue seed," right? LOL

Well...when you draft a QB with the first overall pick of the draft, the only "story" that would be odd is one claiming that there was NOT a QB debate. So far, it appears the whole issue has been handled quite well. I've read an opinion that if Flacco gets off to a slow start, Jackson will take the #1 spot...which is hilarious.

The reports about Baker in TC have been quite good and I would think that the coaches will downplay his success(es) to help ease the QB competition madness. Baker - as a rookie - will have to look like Marino - as a rookie - to win the starting gig.

In the end, this debate ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Much like yourself, I've learned what to expect from many posters on here.

Three Four posts from you and Vers already in this thread and not a single word about the thread topic.

I agree w/Willie ... in fact, I was a little surprised that Hue was SO complimentary the other day ... while it's good to hear and good to tell Baker, it's probably wiser to just praise TT and say Baker is "working hard"

Hue has handled this situation perfectly. If there is a competition, it will be created by Baker and Taylor. I also think that we want to see what we have everywhere else around the QB position.

Baker can be ready but if the team isn't ready for Baker then you ruin the player. Now we see players around Taylor are carrying him, baker is doing good in practice then you go to the rookie.

Hue has a solid staff on offense and they are handling it right.

An 0-6 start should do it.

0-2 is a near certainty .. Pittsburgh and at New Orleans

So, the Jets home game will be enormous for Hue and for Tyrod IMO .. we have 10 days off afterwards ... changes could be made

See bait. Take bait. Captured.

It's because there is no thread topic. TT is the starter and will remain so barring a serious injury. Even then it may be Stanton who starts before Mayfield.

This thread is just some made up BS that isn't a topic at all.

Five.

No real Browns fan wants a QB "controversy"...but this article with Hue's quotes surely says that we have a really promising rookie behind our vet.

It's most definitely a thing to be debated on a message board.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ll-expectations

The key phrase in your post. "behind our vet". There is the story.

BULLS**T

This isn’t last year ... we have WAY MORE TALENT that any year since our return ...

We can win them both ... it would be an upset ... but it is well within the realm of possibility we can win both those games .... AGAIN .. this is not last year or quite frankly any year since our return ...

U and most others have ALWAYS WAY OVERRATED this teams talent ... now your snake bitten and either cant see HOW MUCH TALENT WE HAVE and/or you’ve been let down by your UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS your afraid of the FACT we have a decent team now ...

I wouldn’t let u rope me in when your expectations were VERY UNREALISTIC and I won’t let u drag me down cause your too snake bitten to see just how much talent we have ...

LETS GOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo

WOOF WOOF!!!!!!!

The Baker haters are out in full force today.

I'd be curious what their story would be if we had drafted Darnold or Rosen.

Baker or whatever quarterback we drafted should play when you realize he's the best QB on the team. This BS of we should bench Mayfield for a year regardless of how things go in camp is ridiculous. I can't believe people would want to bench the best simply because they don't like the guy.

The QB controversy is very real whether some want to admit or not. Plus it makes for fun television.

I agree with this right here. But sometimes the offense needs a leader, the right leader. I understand Tyrod is proving himself to be a leader, but you can't deny Baker's ability to lead.

For the first time I can remember, now our local evening news is keeping up with the Browns training camp, as it relates to Baker anyway. I expect to see more Browns games on local tv this season too. I get so tired of the Cowboys, Chiefs and Broncos.

Five training camp practices and the kid is doing good. How that makes him better than Taylor is beyond my comprehension. He may be, I not suggesting he isn't, but there is not way that can be assessed at this time.

Taylor is proven in actual games. He's not great by any stretch, but is very competent. Mayfield is looking good, and that is encouraging, but it is way too early to be claiming he is ready. These are practices, when the preseason rolls around, it will be a little easier to grade his progress, but even then, it is not the same as actual game experience.


I like that they are continuing to call Taylor the undisputed starter, it takes pressure off Mayfield and allows him to continue to work hard to overcome the vet. Calling for him to start because he was the #1 overall pick is a fans way of thinking. Letting him learn and earn the position is the professional way to do it.

He may end up being the starter, but then again maybe he won't. Five days into camp is not enough time to declare him rerady.

I think I agree with this answer the most. Mayfield has to be undeniably better than in every area.

Mayfield hasn't even thrown a pass in a game yet. LOL

We've all heard TC stories about guys like Timid, BQ, Colt, Frye, Weeden, etc.

I just think the OP's intentions were to press the envelope so we have yet another reason to criticize Hue as the season plays out.

Just watch the narrative from some of these guys if Baker doesn't start and the team isn't lighting it up.

"Hue's ego is in the way."

"Hue is trying to save his job and doesn't want to develop Baker."

"Hue's is retarding Baker's progress."

"We need a coach who can recognize that Baker NEEDS TO START NOW!!!"

"Hue is starting Taylor because he's black."

LOL...........that last one might be a stretch, but some will get my point. These guys have been pulling the same crap for years.

I may be remembering this incorrectly but I feel like Weeden was really the only one who had a GOOD camp / preseason their rookie season.

Everyone else seemed to struggle from what I remember.

Especially if preseason we are dialed down. We can compete early. I think we will lose about half, but be in them. Take out our turnovers, over 30 + last year, and plug in a better number much lower, and we are in some games.

Hoping for the return of 'normal' football. Not games given away on flukes and crappy game planning. I would like to see us improve and grow and win some.
Winsome, but win some.

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