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Totally agree.

There was a thread earlier about this.

I think it is going to be a real drag.

Slow things down and create a bunch of confusion.

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Thanks..........and that sounds cool!

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The Browns signed four players OL Kevin Bowen, DB Christian Boutte, TE Orson Charles and DB Jeremiah McKinnon. To make room, they waived DL Trenton Thompson and OL Victor Salako.

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/er...wns-traini.html

Most of the article is rehashed stuff that has already been posted. One difference is she say Njoku didn't have a drop today. Her view is that the ball that got picked by Randall was just tipped.


Bowen was an undrafted free agent out of East Central University. He has been with the Redskins for parts of 2 years.


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What if Baker Mayfield Russell Wilson's Tyrod Taylor?


Baker would have "to move the earth beneath Hue's feet" in order for that to happen.


I laughed!


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Totally agree.

There was a thread earlier about this.

I think it is going to be a real drag.

Slow things down and create a bunch of confusion.


Are you talking about the helmet rule?

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I have question for you or 3 or 4.

1. can Landry beat double teams as a number #1 if Gordon misses games?

2. how much of Haleys playbook from Pittsburgh
will he integrate into.this years playbook?

3. is the front office looking at other free agent WRs like Decker or looking to.trade with reciever heavy team?

4. is the optimism this year any different than last years blind optimism.?



1. I don't think Landry has to worry about double teams. Njoku, Johnson, Callaway and Coleman are too talented for anyone to consistently hyper-focus on shutting down Landry. Losing Gordon would undoubtedly be a big blow, but I don't think too much would change.

I am not overly worried that Gordon will miss games. Based on what we know, he has done nothing wrong and isn't suspended. He's currently working out (I think in Florida) and looks great. The rumour is that he didn't want the Hard Knocks camera in his face, or the will-he-won't-he narrative that comes with it. I don't know for sure, but it seems like he's okay.

2. I'm not sure. I can assume we'll see plenty of carry over, particularly in the running game, but the passing offense could look a lot difference due to the, for now, differences in talent. I think it's always safe to assume that an OC is going to continue being a creature of habit, however.

3. I doubt it. Coleman is having a fantastic camp and Higgins is apparently impressing. Combine that with Callaway (earning first-team reps) and Landry, and Gordon not being suspended, and things seem good. Always possible, but it seems unlikely the Browns will add anything more than additional bottom-end competition.

4. Sort of different. I think last year was just the excitement of youth, but it was always measured against the undoubted inexperience. Taylor, Landry and Hyde bring proven experience, while we're expecting a leap from the likes of Njoku and Coleman. It's still blind optimism, but there is at least some semblance of certainty based on what we've seen from some of the more experienced additions.

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What if Baker Mayfield Russell Wilson's Tyrod Taylor?


Baker would have "to move the earth beneath Hue's feet" in order for that to happen.


I laughed!


I wouldn't. He will use it later as a reason to fire Hue.

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day 5 and I'm already tired of hearing about Njoku's drops ... that, to me, is the most aggravating thing to watch ... seems like he's unimproved


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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day 5 and I'm already tired of hearing about Njoku's drops ... that, to me, is the most aggravating thing to watch ... seems like he's unimproved


Didn't he improve a bunch today (Monday)?

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Yeah, he did. Reports vary on if he had a drop or not.


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Yeah, he did. Reports vary on if he had a drop or not.

capitalism efficiency at its finest. The sports section sells the papers, but most of the reporters are just lazy ignorant morons.

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In fairness to those lazy ignorant morons, most called it a drop. Mary Kay was the one who said it was just a tipped ball.


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day 5 and I'm already tired of hearing about Njoku's drops ... that, to me, is the most aggravating thing to watch ... seems like he's unimproved


Didn't he improve a bunch today (Monday)?

Did not attend practice to witness first hand, just going by reports of him having another blatant drop today. So I can't go by anything but that (Yes, I also know some people are saying it wasn't)


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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day 5 and I'm already tired of hearing about Njoku's drops ... that, to me, is the most aggravating thing to watch ... seems like he's unimproved


Didn't he improve a bunch today (Monday)?

Did not attend practice to witness first hand, just going by reports of him having another blatant drop today. So I can't go by anything but that (Yes, I also know some people are saying it wasn't)


Njoku could never catch the ball,but what is/was most remarkable is that he has been doing well on game-day... go figure, to the point that even I started actually believing him....

I also don't think, catching is a teachable thing this far on the career of a TE/WR, but if he does not mess it on game day, IMHO, he can drop all the balls on practice...

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I have question for you or 3 or 4.

1. can Landry beat double teams as a number #1 if Gordon misses games?

2. how much of Haleys playbook from Pittsburgh
will he integrate into.this years playbook?

3. is the front office looking at other free agent WRs like Decker or looking to.trade with reciever heavy team?

4. is the optimism this year any different than last years blind optimism.?



1. I don't think Landry has to worry about double teams. Njoku, Johnson, Callaway and Coleman are too talented for anyone to consistently hyper-focus on shutting down Landry. Losing Gordon would undoubtedly be a big blow, but I don't think too much would change.

I am not overly worried that Gordon will miss games. Based on what we know, he has done nothing wrong and isn't suspended. He's currently working out (I think in Florida) and looks great. The rumour is that he didn't want the Hard Knocks camera in his face, or the will-he-won't-he narrative that comes with it. I don't know for sure, but it seems like he's okay.
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Njoku, Johnson, Callaway and Coleman are too talented... is that supposed to be ironic? Apart from Landry we have nothing...

IMHO, Gordon is done,the sooner we get it the sooner we can move on (been saying this for ages)

Colemon will always look good without pads but bad in game day.

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Well they should speed forward and just do it...meaning all wearing flags and eliminate tackling and of course let Soccer become our national past time. Football will end as we know it....Just as the Browns are starting to get it!
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Observations on each position group as Browns reach first mandatory off day

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Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.

A wise football man visiting Browns camp conceded he liked what he saw in two recent practices, but what matters most are what happens in the games.

Even Baker Mayfield admitted, “Right now, I have the Giants [on Aug. 9] circled on the calendar, but I’m still working one day at a time.”



We do measure the incremental growth of the Browns on a daily basis, and after five practices – the last three of which were in full pads – they have reached the checkpoint of their first off day.

This wasn’t something earned for meritorious work, mind you. The CBA mandates one off day every five days for the players during training camp.

“I would keep practicing, to be honest with you,” said coach Hue Jackson. “I think we were finding a groove there a little bit. I think the players appreciate the rules and how the CBA works. As coaches, we wish we could keep going.”

The one-day break allows us to make some observations about how things are going.

Quarterback

The plan is working … Tyrod Taylor is galvanizing his new team around him, building trust in him and confidence in his leadership. Until they start keeping score, it’s all he can do to change the team’s culture … Mayfield has been great at his task: Using the time behind Taylor to speed up the transition from Air Raid offense to the NFL game. Mayfield said he has focused on taking care of the ball and getting rid of it quickly. He hasn’t been intercepted in a team drill yet. One observer noted: “He gets it to the right people.” … Neither QB stands and pat-pat-pats the ball … Drew Stanton is relishing his dual role as sounding board to Taylor and mentor to Mayfield. The QB RV was his idea.

Running back

The physical element of the new running game can’t be accurately evaluated until the games … Carlos Hyde, Nick Chubb and Duke Johnson each has had moments of running into the second level of defense … The big backs can catch … There was a fumbled exchange between Hyde and Taylor on Monday, but that miscue was an exception.

Wide receiver

This group is getting better, but lacks a No. 1 with Josh Gordon absent … Jarvis Landry practices hard every day. He is a great example for the younger receivers. Never drops a ball … Corey Coleman is being coached hard by Todd Haley. Spectators are on him, too. Coleman is responding well, stringing two good days after one bad day. He has made his share of really good sideline catches. A positive sign is he isn’t celebrating them … Antonio Callaway looks like a natural – fast, smooth, good hands. You wonder what he’d look like if he hadn’t missed his last college season because of a team suspension. Haley stays on him, too … Rashard Higgins is practicing with confidence, catching more balls, establishing some consistency. Seems to be on the verge of reaching a new level.

Tight end

This has been a slight disappointment so far … David Njoku drew raves from Mayfield for improvement in run blocking, but his main task is to catch the ball and his hands remain inconsistent in Year 2 … Seth DeValve has missed a couple days with a quad injury ... Darren Fells is a towering (6-7) target, but has had a few drops.

Offensive line

Line coach Bob Wylie thinks they’re in good shape with four of the starters … Obviously, left tackle is a work in progress and the biggest concern on offense … Shon Coleman still is the front-runner, mainly because nobody else has mounted a challenge. Competing daily against Myles Garrett is no picnic. Coaching him up might be the best option at replacing Joe Thomas … Greg Robinson’s concussion and Desmond Harrison’s toe injury are costing them valuable practice reps to get into the mix, but they forced coaches to give more reps at left tackle to Austin Corbett. This is another position that can’t be fully evaluated until the games … The second unit historically lags far behind, and this year’s edition is no different … Austin Reiter’s shotgun snaps have not been consistently on target.

Defensive line

Ends Garrett and Emmanuel Ogbah look to be having fine camps … Jamie Meder and Trevon Coley are holding down the starting tackle spots, but Larry Ogunjobi is right there with them … Caleb Brantley is in much better shape than a year ago … Nate Orchard has made some noise and got a nice shoutout from line coach Clyde Simmons the other day. “Can’t say enough good things about him,” Simmons said … Carl Nassib added some weight, but it’s hard to tell on his long frame. Needed strength, too, and that won’t show until the games … Newcomer Chris Smith has had a relatively quiet start to camp … Chad Thomas practiced for the first time Monday after recovery from sports hernia surgery.

Linebacker


Jamie Collins is being eased in after major knee surgery in October. It’s too early to tell when he’ll be the disruptive player the Browns are paying him to be … Christian Kirksey and Joe Schobert have been solid. Schobert joked that Kirksey is playing up to the HBO cameras … It remains to be seen how Mychal Kendricks will be incorporated into the scheme now that he’s back on the field … Genard Avery impressed teammates before missing time with a groin injury. “Looks like a defensive tackle running around at linebacker. Just moves a lot better,” Schobert said. “He’s got the thickest legs I’ve ever seen. He has a lot of power in his hands. He’s going to be a great addition.”

Defensive back

Denzel Ward is working on his backpedal and adapting to “off” coverage, which he rarely did at Ohio State. His speed, vertical leap and mirror coverage ability are all NFL elite right now … T.J. Carrie has been the victim of some good Coleman catches … Terrance Mitchell could mount a surprise run at the second starting spot, surpassing Carrie and E.J. Gaines. Another position that will only be determined in the games … Simeon Thomas’ wingspan is enormous. If nothing else, the 6-3 rookie could win a place on the Hail Mary defense team … The competition at strong safety between Jabrill Peppers and Derrick Kindred can heat up now that Peppers has made it to the field. Peppers considers it a legit competition … Damarious Randall had a gimme interception on ball of Njoku’s hands on Monday … Briean Boddy-Calhoun has had a quiet week.

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I saw Simeon Thomas' picture ... man, that dude is BIG


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I think this might be the first piece I've ever read from Grossi that doesn't attempt to stir a pot. It was an enjoyable read!


It feels good to be getting real football news, again smile


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Mitchell has been showing up a lot on the highlight videos and in these camp reports. If we can press the edge, with our corners, the ends and backers are gonna have a fun year and we will as well.

We love talking O but this D has me a bit excited. I think this is the most talent we have had on D since 2001. D holds and our big OL opens some holes, I like our chances against anyone.


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I'm sold on the middle of the D- line and our stating Ends .. Back up Ends are iffy to me .. I hope my boy Avery comes through at LB .. I agree that they are going to be a fun unit to watch .. PS; The backfield will take some time to shake out ..

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Good read.


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Nice Article, thanks!

He's a pretty good writer, more readable than a lot of them.


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JC...

My fear with Njoku and watching him at the U...IS he looks the part as a specimen, and has some great traits...However he reminded me a lot like Ben Troupe, more of a specimen vs bonafide TE.

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I think that is the best Article I ever read from Grossi...you know this is a special season...lol laugh


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JC...

My fear with Njoku and watching him at the U...IS he looks the part as a specimen, and has some great traits...However he reminded me a lot like Ben Troupe, more of a specimen vs bonafide TE.
yeah, he looks like tarzan ... and at times has caught like Jane's unathletic brother


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Personally i'd like to hear about how Demarius Randall looks. I've heard plenty about the rest of the defense, but I'm still stuck wondering what Randall is going to bring.

If the pickup/position change is a flop, it's going to hinder the whole defense.

Who's backing him up. Justin Currie or whatever his name is?


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TJ Carrie (I believe) has been torched quite a bit in camp, at least from reports


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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TJ Carrie (I believe) has been torched quite a bit in camp, at least from reports


I've heard that. And I've heard very little of EJ Gaines.

I think it was Cleveland Browns Daily that said "Don't be surprised if Terrance Mitchell ends up starting", and i was thinking, What?


From the sounds of it, it's a good thing we picked up Denzel Ward



But i was talking about the guy who was slotted to start FS last year before he got hurt for the season. Justin Carrie or Currie. And then there was a guy two years ago, who i think we got from the Eagles who was a natural FS who people thought looked decent (not sure I remember him though). Light skinned or white guy. I forgot his name.


I think FS is a vital position. Always have. Generally the leader of the defensive backfield and all. Mike Adams and Brian Russell were good ones there for us (at least one year with Russell)


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okay, I got ya Petey ... not sure either then. I haven't heard much about our safeties at all


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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TJ Carrie (I believe) has been torched quite a bit in camp, at least from reports


Coleman is a training camp super star like all WR's that struggle with NFL physicality and contact....

All CB's struggle this time of year

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Grossi always took heat from readers because he didnt sugar coat or report like a homer.
how in the heck was he supposed to type anything with a positive angle when you consider the front offices and inept coaching hires since 1999?
i think hes always been a fair reporter.
funny how with all the positive things being reported out of Berea the the reporters arent being called bozos.
amazing what happens when you a GM and guys underneath him who actually have a urgency to win now.

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TJ Carrie (I believe) has been torched quite a bit in camp, at least from reports


Coleman is a training camp super star like all WR's that struggle with NFL physicality and contact....

All CB's struggle this time of year


I hope Carrie works out. I met him over the summer and talked to him at lenght. A super smart, polite, approachable, likable guy.


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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Grossi always took heat from readers because he didnt sugar coat or report like a homer.
how in the heck was he supposed to type anything with a positive angle when you consider the front offices and inept coaching hires since 1999?
i think hes always been a fair reporter.
funny how with all the positive things being reported out of Berea the the reporters arent being called bozos.
amazing what happens when you a GM and guys underneath him who actually have a urgency to win now.


He's never been remotely fair about any topic that stuck in his craw; he has always been the epitome of one who wrote with an agenda.

The above article is the first in memory where he simply reports instead of inflecting a slant.


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I agree. And the funny thing-- He is far better on the radio than his twitter account/writing approach would suggest.

Still, I think he is a hack. We have far better writers and analysts to choose from here in Cleveland.


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
He's never been remotely fair about any topic that stuck in his craw; he has always been the epitome of one who wrote with an agenda.

The above article is the first in memory where he simply reports instead of inflecting a slant.


So, no different than reading this board?

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Give him a break. He had an off day, so he didn't perform down to our expectations and experience.

PS I still don't like him OR his body of work.


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Yes.

How can it be determined if a guy has his down and is trying to tackle with his shoulder pads?

How about the runner lowering his head?

How to determine intent?

Spearing is one thing. This is another.

The speed of the game and the intent to tackle can not be turned into subjective officiating.

The catch rule was a mess.

This is going to be worse.

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TJ Carrie says competition among Browns cornerbacks ‘can always put you on eggshells’
Published: August 1, 2018 - 3:02 PM | Updated: August 1, 2018 - 3:32 PM

BEREA: The Browns are paying TJ Carrie like a starter, but when he looks at the roster, the former Oakland Raiders cornerback realizes he’s not guaranteed a starting job.

It can be a sobering thought coming off a rough practice, and Carrie has experienced it a couple of times since training camp began a week ago.

“I’ve had a couple bad days, and it’s like, ‘Man, our other corners are all making plays,’” Carrie said Wednesday before the sixth practice of camp. “And it can always put you on eggshells that if you’re not making plays … you don’t know what’s going to happen within that depth chart.”

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After signing a four-year, $31 million contract with the Browns in March, Carrie is considered the front-runner to start opposite rookie fourth overall draft pick Denzel Ward when the regular season begins Sept. 9 against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

But General Manager John Dorsey also signed corners E.J. Gaines (one year, $4 million) and Terrance Mitchell (three years, $10 million) as he revamped the defensive secondary this offseason. And Briean Boddy-Calhoun, a favorite of the coaching staff, returned to the secondary. They have all spent time with the first-team defense in camp.

So Carrie feels as if he needs to perform better than he has to secure a starting gig.

“I haven’t had a dominant day yet,” said Carrie, a product of Ohio University who started all 16 games for the Raiders last season and compiled 84 tackles and nine passes defensed without an interception. “[My standard is] I should be able to go out there and shut down a whole side of the field.”

Three-time Pro Bowl wide receiver Jarvis Landry has burned Carrie a couple of times with double moves in one-on-one drills. Receiver Corey Coleman’s recent strong practices on back-to-back days came partially at Carrie’s expense during team drills.

Carrie, 28, explained there are times he gets beat in practice as a result of experimenting with technique. And there certainly is risk involved.

“Most of the time if you tell the coaches, ‘Look, Coach, I want to work on this today,’ that still doesn’t give you a pass to get beat,” Carrie said. “They still expect you to come out here and compete.”

Especially if you want to start.

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