Quoting Swish:
For example. I have little, if any, tolerance for people who discriminate against the LBGT community.
But for some religious people, they don’t have a tolerance for LBGT at all.
So who’s right? The people who place equality and civil rights over religious beliefs, or the people who place religious beliefs over equality and civil rights?
This is more or less the point I was driving at. I'll take it a step further and muddy the waters a little more. Is it ok to be intolerant of:
NFL players who kneel
Republicans/Democrats in general
People on either side of abortion, even when religion is not used as a motive
Capitalists
Vegetarians
*I don't particularly wish to turn this thread into a discussion of of these topics any further than what is necessary.
The generally accepted extremes are easier, but the spectrum is broad. Can we ever really determine who is right on some of these?
Quoting PDF:
It's pretty straightforward.
We can dabble in moral relativism, but we sleep at night with our choices or we don't.
So at the end of the day, we make a choice based on our beliefs of what to be intolerant of. I stand firm that this is subjective.
The people on the other side are using the same exact logic and coming to the same outcome - to be intolerant. And when that happens, closed mindedness follows. How should we expect to accomplish anything at that point if we have already decided the other side is dead wrong?
Again, not talking about the extremes here.
You're making my point for me.
The "oh, is Donald Trump racist? Prove it!" people deserve intolerance.
We should mock them and be intolerant of them.
I'll respectfully disagree here. I'm not one to dwell on the past, but the infamous "deplorables" comment was not a display of tolerance in my opinion. My choice is to
try to listen to the counterpoint to see if there is merit to it, especially when the counterpoint has been misrepresented/twisted/selectively written by the media. And I am not referring to Trump specifically here, but in general.
You voted for Trump for 1 of 3 reasons:
1) You're a spiteful idiot
2) "Not Hillary"/means to an end by way of a useful idiot
3) you got fed up and wanted to throw a brick through the window
I am not sure if the "you" here is addressed specifically to me or the general population. Not necessarily saying you're wrong overall, but #1 in particular is tricky.
I'll reveal a bit more about myself to further the discussion. General disclaimer (not to you specifically PDF): I expect that any information would be used for conversation and NOT a "gotcha" moment (you voted for ______, you must be a ______).
I did not vote for Trump.
I do not consider myself to be Democrat or Republican. Depends on the issue or candidate.
Surprising even myself, I voted for Bernie Sanders. I am aware he was not on the ticket in Ohio. I am aware people may say that is a wasted vote. I do not feel that way.
I am a Christian, but I am not immediately intolerant of other religions, values, beliefs, or groups simply because they think differently or are not Christian. I hope at least a small portion of that has come through in my posting. I admit to not always being this way and to also being guilty of relapse from time to time.
This has been a great conversation so far. My hope is that none of my reply is taken as a "gotcha" moment because that is not the intent. I appreciate the replies from both you and Swish here.
