So, we moved him to the area we have greatest need. Put your best remaining lineman into that slot. But now it signals to me more premium is being placed on passing game than on the run. Must have bigger, deeper issues there. Now we are weaker in two areas it seems.
I get why it must have happened, but I still find it disappointing.
Anyhow, go, Browns! Make it work.
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They wanted to make sure Shon sucked as much as they thought ...
Had more to do with not moving Joel IMO ...
We’ve improved LT but at the expense of LG ...
They drafted Corbett cause they knew this very well may happen ... IMO anyhow ...
I think you are correct. I've read here and on other boards that the Browns liked Coleman from the time they drafted him. They brought him along slowly from injury in year one and started him year two. He wsn't very good at RT and the switch to his "natural" position was warranted after drafting signing Hubbard. They gave him a shot and he's proven to not be the guy. Maybe he's a G...maybe he's a backup T...maybe he's cut. Now is the time to figure that out.
In the end:
Bitonio/Corbett is better than Coleman/Bitonio. No one should really be surprised by that.
Listening to Joel and Hue's presser, I think Joel at LT is a pretty permanent move. Least until they bring in someone, meaning Coleman and etc have not been impressive.
It would make sense considering that Dorsey really did improve other positions of need. He went out and got veteran players at QB, FS, WR, and CB. All those areas were bad last year. So, it would make sense that he would try to upgrade the LT position once he knew Joe was going to retire.
It would have been nice to have Solder manning the LT spot this year.
It really doesn't matter,but to be correct he went to the giants. It sure is nice to have Dorsey here,it seems he was addressing a problem before it became a problem. I have no doubt he will solve this LT mess.
a situation similar to this happened w/me as a basketball coach:
we had one of the better players in the state returning for his senior year .. he played forward, but was very versatile
in the beginning of the year we tried to keep him at his natural position and have another kid play point guard (we lost our all-district point guard the year before).
Going into the season we knew this was a key position and wanted to try to approach it this way to keep our best player in his natural spot.
But, after a very short time we realized it wouldn't work .. so we switched the best player to point guard and started a sophomore at forward.
There were some growing pains and it was a SACRIFICE by our best player .. but in the end it was WAY better than trying to do it the other way
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
It really doesn't matter,but to be correct he went to the giants. It sure is nice to have Dorsey here,it seems he was addressing a problem before it became a problem. I have no doubt he will solve this LT mess.
It seems like Hue addressed it more than Dorsey.
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Several things written in this article was like...ummm yeah isn't that a given???
On a Browns note so glad we got players now for the CB position it was a definite weakness for us last season now actually it could be a strength. Still of course to be proven for all those who will stick the HOMER card on me...lol
one thing fellow dawgs. CB work and WR work in these none contact practices are two positions that actually can be evaluated without hitting. Of course for CBs the missing variable is TACKLING...which is important cause most of their call to tackle is one on one on an island with little to back them.
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one thing fellow dawgs. CB work and WR work in these none contact practices are two positions that actually can be evaluated without hitting. Of course for CBs the missing variable is TACKLING...which is important cause most of their call to tackle is one on one on an island with little to back them.
I don't have the numbers but if I recall correctly tackling efficiency was a big issue last year. That's something I'd like to see cleaned up by Gregg Williams - Even if the numbers prove me wrong, I still feel we missed too many tackles.
BDU...don't look at Greg Williams - look at the Players Union cause they have eliminated a lot of contact scenarios. And I'm sorry, the only way to improve and teach tackling is with Contact. This actually is not a Brown's Problem its a problem that is experienced all over the NFL. Of course BB cheats in this regards and has found ways to bend the rules and they (Pats) get more work in for tackling than any other team. Well maybe not the Lions (isn't that where Patricia went?)
ooops didn't see the time, got to run! Chemo meeting..wish me luck
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
BDU...don't look at Greg Williams - look at the Players Union cause they have eliminated a lot of contact scenarios. And I'm sorry, the only way to improve and teach tackling is with Contact. This actually is not a Brown's Problem its a problem that is experienced all over the NFL. Of course BB cheats in this regards and has found ways to bend the rules and they (Pats) get more work in for tackling than any other team. Well maybe not the Lions (isn't that where Patricia went?)
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I'll blame Williams as long as any player on this team thinks the shoulder charge is a sufficient approach to tackling. If Williams isn't screaming "Wrap them up" every damn second of practice, then I'm counting that as a negative of training camp.
Damn. I'm sorry to hear that. All the best with your meeting.
Seeing the reports concerning Hue's comments, I pretty much knew the Shon Coleman at LT experiment was going much as I had expected. Poorly. This was a pretty disputed topic ever since JT hung up his cleats.
As I tried to point out several times, most all OT's in college move to the interior. The talent needed to play OT in the NFL, especially LT is a rare commodity.
I agree with those who feel we tried to get Solder and lost the battle. Shon simply didn't have the feet to play LT. Heck, his poor footwork is why he committed so many penalties on the right side and that takes less skill to play. I'm not sure if Bitonio is the answer or not. I've never seen him have to depend on his lateral movement a lot at the LG position.
What I do know and have known is that Shon Coleman isn't an NFL LT by any measure. I'm very happy to see us moving on from him at the position.
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Coleman struggled on the right side mightily last year. then to ask him to move to the left is doubily hard Even Bitonio is going to struggle at LT. hes not a natural there and now he has to relearn footwork in all phases of run and pass blocking expect next year Dorsey to draft a LT in Rd 1 . Coleman just lacks lateral quickness and getting set out of his stance fast enough.
I believe the options to actually address the LT position during this off season were extremely limited both in the FA market and the draft. To me it's far more a situation that falls on circumstance more that the FO.
I tend to agree that they understand the weakness and will explore whatever options are afforded them next year to address the position.
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good news about Robinson, although he's not a good player IMO
Also, I hope Avery gets back ASAP
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Dorsey on his list of priorties sure doesnt hold the LT in the highest regard. think about it....you go.from having a HOF LT to now making a guy change positions to fill that same role Dorsey must believe you can execute a offense effectively despite having auditions at LT.
Personally i'd like to hear about how Demarius Randall looks. I've heard plenty about the rest of the defense, but I'm still stuck wondering what Randall is going to bring.
If the pickup/position change is a flop, it's going to hinder the whole defense.
Who's backing him up. Justin Currie or whatever his name is?
Currie has put on weight and switched to linebacker.
Dorsey on his list of priorties sure doesnt hold the LT in the highest regard. think about it....you go.from having a HOF LT to now making a guy change positions to fill that same role Dorsey must believe you can execute a offense effectively despite having auditions at LT.
So who should we have drafted or signed to fix the problem? As far as I know there wasn't a clear cut LT in this draft. There was only one in the FA market.
So outside of Nate Solder, how would you have addressed the position?
That's what I thought. Crickets. It's okay to make false claims, but don't expect people to buy the BS.
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Mitchell and Randall with interceptions of Taylor to start this team drill. Mitchell has been all over the field for a week now.
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So who should we have drafted or signed to fix the problem? As far as I know there wasn't a clear cut LT in this draft. There was only one in the FA market.
So outside of Nate Solder, how would you have addressed the position?
That's what I thought. Crickets. It's okay to make false claims, but don't expect people to buy the BS.
Exactly what i was thinking.
If there's no one to trade down with at 4 (which we were told the going rate was relatively peanuts), there was no one anywhere near worthy to select.
And the only guy in FA was Solder whom the Texans, Giants, and Pats were all after. And who knows how dependable he'll be with the health of his kid (understandably for him, but not gonna help us out with the LT issue)
There's very little we could do.
Next year, it'll hopefully be on our top priority list along with WR.
Mitchell and Randall with interceptions of Taylor to start this team drill. Mitchell has been all over the field for a week now.
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Terrance Mitchell was promoted to the first-team defense Wednesday after an impressive first week of training camp. While that might have been a surprising development to some, it was no big deal for one of the Browns’ new cornerbacks. After all, Mitchell — who signed with Cleveland in free agency this past spring — is coming off a breakout campaign in Kansas City, where he finished with four interceptions and a whopping 18 pass breakups in nine starts.
Even so, the fourth-year veteran has been overshadowed in a secondary full of new faces. The Browns overhauled the back end of their defense this offseason, signing vets like Mitchell, former Raiders starter T.J. Carrie and former Bills starter E.J. Gaines. A month or so later, they tabbed former Ohio State star cornerback Denzel Ward with the fourth-overall pick in the NFL Draft.
Lost in those headlines was Mitchell, who looks poised to start opposite of Ward in the team’s first intrasquad scrimmage since opening camp. But first and foremost, he made clear he’s here to contribute in any way possible.
“I came here to Cleveland and I’ve been blessed to play for this great organization. If the opportunity is there to do that, I am going to do my best job in helping us win games,” he said. “I’m here to just do my job, make my plays when the plays come. I really believe with the system we have here, opportunities will be there.”
Don’t conflate that team-first approach for a lack of confidence, though. Mitchell described himself as a playmaker who enjoys to take the ball away from the other team. And for a team that finished second-to-last in interceptions a year ago, that particular skill set is a valuable one.
“In order to be a great defense, you gotta take the ball away,” he said. “I like to play press man and be in your face and stop the opposing receiver.”
The Browns are Mitchell’s fifth team since Dallas selected him out of Oregon in the seventh round of the 2014 NFL Draft. In his first two seasons, he spent time with the Cowboys, Bears and Houston Texans before then-Chiefs general manager and current Browns top man John Dorsey added him to the roster in 2016.
Mitchell said he’s grown on and off the field at each stop. “I look at it as more of a positive thing. I meet a lot of players and I know a lot of people around the NFL,” he said. “It’s not too much of a difference for me.”“Sometimes, in the media, they don’t really know me,” he said with a smile.
Though he’s running with the first-team defense right now, Mitchell said now is hardly the time to sit back and rest. “Every day is an opportunity to establish yourself and things like that,” he said. “It’s a long season and we are still real early. A lot of things can happen still.”
Dorsey on his list of priorties sure doesnt hold the LT in the highest regard. think about it....you go.from having a HOF LT to now making a guy change positions to fill that same role Dorsey must believe you can execute a offense effectively despite having auditions at LT.
I beg to differ. His very first draft pick as a GM was a LT. I agree with Pit, past signing Solder, there weren't many options available this last off-season.
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@PatMcManamon 2m2 minutes ago More Baker Mayfield with excellent throw to Rashard Higgins down the seam for a long touchdown in two minute. Great throw, nice catch, and Mayfield made the read and got rid of it quickly.
Dorsey on his list of priorties sure doesnt hold the LT in the highest regard. think about it....you go.from having a HOF LT to now making a guy change positions to fill that same role Dorsey must believe you can execute a offense effectively despite having auditions at LT.
I beg to differ. His very first draft pick as a GM was a LT. I agree with Pit, past signing Solder, there weren't many options available this last off-season.
It was a weird draft. I don't remember a draft that was considered so weak at OT. Typically, there is at least two or three highly touted prospects. Even the guys who went high in the 2018 draft could have easily gone lower if need didn't drive up the positions slightly.
The first tackle was taking at only #9, with another at #15 and then none until #50 and #62.
Note - Wynn (#23) and Corbett (#33) are listed at OT but I think both are guards.
I can understand the decisions that Dorsey made. I'm a little confused by Corbett, but overall I'm happy with the upgrades at the expense of OT - especially if Bitonio keeps up the rave reviews.
@PatMcManamon 2m2 minutes ago More Baker Mayfield with excellent throw to Rashard Higgins down the seam for a long touchdown in two minute. Great throw, nice catch, and Mayfield made the read and got rid of it quickly.
Here is the video. I have no idea how to make it do the magic-video-appear-thingy but it's 6:42am here, I'm drinking and haven't slept a damn wink so it's okay for me to be stupid currently.
Tyrod with 2 INTs in a short amount of time ... and Baker (void of an INT thus far) has looked great today
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Tyrod with 2 INTs in a short amount of time ... and Baker (void of an INT thus far) has looked great today
Even more absurd: Literally everyone I've seen tweeting from camp has said that Mayfield is being aggressive and making big throws.
I remember Colt McCoy throwing few interceptions but many at camp credited that to his checkdown ways, but Mayfield seems to have a legitimate balance of not turning the ball over but also not playing conservative. That's really impressive, assuming reports of his gunslingerness are accurate.
With that said, I'm a big fan of interceptions in camp. Get some mistakes on tape. Push the boundaries. Learn what you can and cannot get away with.
Anyone remember last year when people lost their minds because Brady was throwing a bunch of picks early in camp? Nobody in New England cared because Brady likes to put mistakes on tape so he can figure out what he can and cannot do.
I'm not trying to suggest Mayfield is doing anything wrong, I'm just a big fan of putting mistakes on tape to learn from them now.
Not bad. Higgins could have scored from 95 yards out on that one.... he beat his man and was clear by a yard and half before the ball was thrown and three by the time it got there.
I'd like to see him have that level of success from under center and against the 1's before I let my heart rate blip, though.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
@AkronJackson 14s14 seconds ago More Landry insitgates a little shoving match and facemask-grabbing incident with Kindred and Randall. Meanwhile the 2nd defense is still yet to discover that Mayfield throws to Higgins every single time.
@dan_labbe Following Following @dan_labbe More It’s August 2 and things change when a guy takes game reps and there’s film on him...but...Joel Bitonio has looked fine at LT today, at least when I’ve watched him.
