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Awesome ...

Vers and his posse 2.0 ...

JUST FRICKING AWESOME ....

Posse? I'm not sure what you mean by that?

If you look at the history of Gordon since he's been here, the vague statement by the team, the fact the NFL said they'd comment later, it seems like it's not unusual nor should it be unexpected that fans are questioning what may or may not be going on behind the scene. Or maybe I'm missing something?

I haven't seen any articles on Josh really in about a week or so.

I would say that the Florida workout video is at least a little encouraging.

Well that seems a little encouraging as well.

This could be him leveraging for a new contract, which makes sense.

If it were up to me I would give him an incentive laden contract. Let him prove himself on the field and pay him proportionate to his production.

U want to pay him based on his production then he’s WAY OVERPAID right now ...

Whats his stat line since 2013 when the trouble started for him ... and remember ... u have to extrapolate that out to how many games he should have played vs what he did play ...

Josh has no foot to stand on if he’s looking for more money .. if he is .. im sure the team wouldn’t be supporting him like this ... there’d be a different tone in their messaging ... ..

My opinion: Best thing for Josh to do is finally complete his rookie contract. If he plays like he's shown he's capable of playing, the next contract would be huge.

If he keeps getting suspended/not showing up, he'll also get what he deserves.

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#Browns GM John Dorsey on @BullandFox re: Josh Gordon: “I haven’t talked to Josh Gordon. I have not talked to Josh Gordon. I’m gonna respect his privacy. I told you all he would be here and he will be here.”

John Dorsey expects Josh Gordon to return to Browns
GM tells Bull and Fox he hasn’t spoken with the receiver

DARYL RUITER
AUGUST 03, 2018 - 4:35 PM
Cleveland Browns general manager speaks with Bull and Fox on 92.3 The Fan on Aug. 3, 2018.
Daryl Ruiter-92.3 The Fan

CATEGORIES: NFL Browns
Berea, OH (92.3 The Fan) – Almost daily receiver Josh Gordon posts a picture or video of him working out in Gainesville, Florida on one of his social media feeds.

He’s not with his teammates in Berea at training camp, and apparently not comminucating to the team or team officials.

Gordon remains away from the team for undisclosed reasons after announcing on July 23 he would not report for camp to continue his addiction recovery path.

“I have not talked to Josh Gordon,” Dorsey said in an exclusive interview with Bull and Fox on 92.3 The Fan Friday afternoon.

Dorsey continues to respect Gordon's privacy which is why he's not said much on the matter since Gordon's announcement was made last month.

"I admire what he's doing here because he's taking care of the long-term interest of his person," Dorsey said. "When Josh gets here, I'm going to be excited to see him."

That remains the multimillion dollar question - will Gordon even rejoin the team?

“I told you all he would be here, and he will be here,” Dorsey said.

Gordon, who has played in 10 regular season games since the start of the 2014 season, was conditionally reinstated last November by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell following a 42-game ban from 2015-to Week 12 of the 2017 season.

In total, Gordon has served 56 games in suspensions - 55 for violations of the league's substance abuse policy and 1 for violation of team rules.

Upon his return last season Gordon finished with 18 catches for 335 yards and a touchdown in 5 games. For his career Gordon has totaled 179 catches for 3,089 yards and 15 TDs over 40 games.

https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/cleveland-browns-john-dorsey-expects-josh-gordon-return

WARNING!!!

I listened to the entirety of this interview, particularly the material about Josh Gordon. Don't get your hopes up on Ulrich's account and a deceptive "Hot Take" headline from 92.3 The Fan. It is possible that Josh Gordon will soon return. But nothing that Nate Ulrich said in support of this possibility holds water. Look elsewhere for your false hopes.

Ulrich's argument that the Browns believe Josh Gordon is coming back soon is thin - very thin. Ulrich never stated that he had a source that told him this. He has no direct information that this is true. Instead, Ulrich offers two lines of thought supporting his conjecture - the notion that the Browns think Gordon is coming back soon.

The first is the fact that the Browns have not signed a free agent receiver such as Dez Bryant. The Browns have had plenty of time to do so. If they thought Gordon was long term AWOL, they would have signed somebody days ago as this is the smart and sensible thing to do. This is the first notion by Ulrich.

The second notion by Ulrich is that Josh Gordon has become active on social media recently, posting his workouts on Instagram and the like. Ulrich pointed out that C.J. McCollum, guard from Portland Trailblazers and NE Ohio native, stated that he was going to be at the Browns opener. Josh Gordon replied with a smiley emoji.

Ulrich is grasping at straws here. Josh Gordon is posting workout videos to Instagram, therefore Josh Gordon is coming back soon? Josh Gordon replied with an emoji to someone who said they would be at the Browns opener, therefore Josh Gordon is coming back soon? I'm sorry, but there no formal logic to be found in these so-called lines of reasoning. Rubbish. Weak rubbish!

Ulrich also argues from absence of action by the Browns. He contends that if the Browns thought JG was really gone, they would have quickly signed a free agent receiver replacement because that is the smart and sensible thing for the Browns to do.

There are two huge problems with this weak line of reasoning. First, it is plausible that the Browns have carefully looked at the available receiver free agents and didn't like any of them and so have not signed them.

Second, since when are the Browns known for doing smart and sensible things? The Browns are now a savvy and sharp NFL football operation? When this miracle occur? How did I miss this amazingly fast transformation?

Yeah, I know - the knee jerk response is, "But... but... but... DORSEY!". Sorry, hiring Dorsey doesn't suddenly reverse three decades of greed, stupidity, cowardice, and bumbling incompetence. And let us remember that while yes, Dorsey is here, so too are Haslam and Jackson. Those two are easily capable of undermining and ruining all the good things Dorsey can do.

Until the Browns prove otherwise, the Browns remain a clownshow. Failing to sign a receiver in Josh Gordon's absense is easily within the Browns' wheelhouse of stupidity.

The Browns will only cease to be a clownshow when they prove it with wins. My standard is that the Browns must win ten or more regular season games and at least one playoff game in two consecutive seasons. Then, and only then, will the Browns prove that they are no longer a dumpster fire.

The Browns have not achieved this feat in over 30 years, not since the '86 and '87 seasons, the old Shottenheimer years. Until the Browns organization proves otherwise, you can safely assume they are idiots.

In summary:

Nate's basis for Gordon coming back is pure speculation.

Your basis for Nate being incorrect and Gordon not being back is pure speculation.



Glad we all came together to get this cleared up

We disagree on the likelyhood of Josh Gordon's return. That's OK.


Here is something interesting to speculate over...

It seems to me that the longer Josh Gordon stays away from training camp and pre-season games, the more likely it is he won't be coming back for the regular season or perhaps most of the regular season.

I mean, if he didn't fail a drug test, at some point he really needs to overcome his issues and get into camp and start practicing and playing if he is going to have a strong regular season. After all, there are a lot of new players on offense, a new offensive coordinator, a new playbook, and a new quarterback. Practicing with the team is absolutely essential for Josh Gordon. The situation is not at all comparable to Le'veon Bell skipping training camp and pre-season every year and easily getting away with it by performing well in the regular season.

Does this strike you as reasonable, the longer Gordon is AWOL, the less likely his return for the season?

If this isn't reasonable, how come?

If this is reasonable, what is your cut-off date? By what day would you change your mind and acknowledge that Gordon is likely gone for the season, or most of the season?

My cut-off date? If Gordon doesn't return by Saturday, August 18 - the day after the Browns 2nd pre-season game - he'll miss all or most of the 2018 regular season. The 3rd pre-season game on the 24th is the most critical of the pre-season. Josh needs to return a week before that game so he can practice and get ready for it.

Your thoughts?

I'm really curious to know just when the "Josh Will Return REEEEAL Soon Now" fanboys would start to lose hope and pack it in like I already mostly have.

I am mostly on the same page as you. I expect he'll be back for the 3rd pre-season game. Otherwise, I'm unsure of his chances...

I say get rid of him now.

He's talented, buy talent that never gets on the field is worthless.

Someone once said that the greatest part of ability is availability. Josh is never available, and cannot be counted on to ever be available.

I would wait till he is reinstated, and then either trade him for a half a ham sandwich, or just cut him. What he's doing is not fair to the team, or his teammates.

??? I don't believe he is suspended. Am I wrong?

He has to be reinstated, because of his absence, and the Browns placing him on the "Did Not Report" list.

Ok. Thanks.

j/c:

I don't think we should trade or cut Josh. I am not as negative about him as some folks. On the other hand, the dude really irritates me.

I realize that guys like BDU will call for my banishment and tell everyone I need psychological help, but I don't like how this is playing out.

Josh Gordon did a ton of interviews last year about his crimes. He and his agent sought out publicity. Now, he has anxiety issues and that is why he is missing camp. It's been suggested that he is afraid of Hard Knocks, yet he posts daily videos of him working out in Florida. I thought he didn't want attention? Why post the videos?

The Browns have been very patient and supportive of Josh. He has missed more games than he has played. He's working out in Florida, but is leaving his teammates and the organization hanging.

Call me every name in the book, but I don't like this at all. He comes across as a selfish ingrate.

I enjoy the vids..Shows he's still dedicated to playing the game and not doing drugs. I understand he still could be doing them. But i want to believe he's not.


Maybe him staying away from Hard Knocks is a good thing for everyone. Let the attention be about the new atmosphere surrounding the team..and not all the attention about him and his past.

You think one way..I think another.. But both ways are okay..Because no one knows what way it is...lol

I agree, he should be here.

The reinstatement is a formality. Not the same as last time.

Yes he should be.. and many feel that way. I kind of think the new rehabilitated Josh and the Hard Knocks being here is just simply bad timing.

That's fair.

Sure beats the approach of guys like BDU.

Are you saying that BDU isn't invited to your birthday party?

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c9ab0010-9dab-429d-a1a4-509dea3a3b19

It's even worse than that.

In the NFL the mantra is, "What have you done for me lately?" So what has Josh Gordon done lately for the Browns?

In the last four seasons, Josh Gordon has missed 54 out of 64 scheduled regular season games - that's an 82% AWOL rate!

In the 10 games that Gordon did play in, he was out of shape, didn't know the playbook, and couldn't run proper routes. He was a true lollygagger. His performance was, at best, very mediocre relative to his potential.

And now he is missing training camp yet again for some undisclosed mystery reason. Yeah.... whatever.

You are so clever.

Are you saying that it is okay to call for someone to banned and saying repeatedly that he needs psychological help just because he disagrees w/your take?

BDU is the same guy who talked about me and another poster wanting to blank Hue's blank. Is that okay?

And you keep showing the same dumb clip trying to act like I am the spoiled child?

Get lost, dude.

And we're off.........again.

There was no reason for you to bring up BDU in your post.

I wasn't specifically singling you out or aware that I had even replied to you before. When the board gets a certain tone it just reminds me of Little Giants, that's all.

Uh oh not the list. Wait what list? This list? I'm sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68sRqrZZ6wQ

The dude called for my banishment and said that I needed psychological help. Not once, but twice. He also has made all kinds of comments about me and Hue in a gay relationship. I hadn't even replied to the dude. He singled me out.

You ignore all of those comments and choose to mock me? Seriously?

Like I said earlier..............I knew the insults and BS would start because I dared to question Josh.

This is funny stuff, but old.

I think it important to not cut Josh and keep putting him on a list to keep him away from other teams and retain his rights yet another season.

That doesn't hurt a darn thing.

This picture should be of Sheldon Cooper.

quote above by Diam:



Are you sure?

Rashard Higgins said he texted back and forth with Josh Gordon yesterday “and he was in good spirits.” Expects him back “and it will be like he never left”

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1025772346672644098

Man, what is going on with this situation?

Obviously most of us thinks it drug abuse, but then pretty much everyone on the team are commenting as if it’s no big deal why Gordon has to take off for whatever reason.

If Gordon plays week one, it will be hilarious to read through all the comments in this thread again.

I’m starting to lean towards its the hard knocks thing ... at this point i see no possibility it was a failed drug test ...

-they would have the results from a 2nd test if he failed one by now ...
-same thing if it was a diluted sample or he blew one off ...

- word would have gotten out by now if it was a contract thing ...

- he doesnt appear to be in a rehab facility ... sure would like to have at least that part cleared up ..

Still to many unknowns ... we should know if it was the hard knocks stuff if he comes back a day or two or three after they leave ...

Anyone have any clue when there suppose to leave?

Gordon said he used the weed and alcohol to help him cope with his anxiety issues and my guess is he was having some anxiety and mentioned this to his rehab Docs and they said to come on in and we will see if we can help you. I don't think he failed a test, I think he was trying to be proactive before he slipped.

two weeks ago I was leaning towards a drug related suspension ... but nothing's come out and talks remain positive, so maybe it is the hard knocks thing?

God, I hope so.

Thunder Gordon and Lightening Landry can be a STUDLY DUO.