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Won't touch him, be shocked if it did. This didn't age well. Urban Meyer is supposed to be a leader. Leaders don't look the other way when the people under them are misbehaving in this type of manner (or any manner). As we all know, Meyer has a history of looking the other way when in the face of misconduct. Meyer knew and should have done something. He did nothing and then lied. He will probably be fired. Or fake an illness. Not seeing any "ifs" in there bro...
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Won't touch him, be shocked if it did. This didn't age well. Urban Meyer is supposed to be a leader. Leaders don't look the other way when the people under them are misbehaving in this type of manner (or any manner). As we all know, Meyer has a history of looking the other way when in the face of misconduct. Meyer knew and should have done something. He did nothing and then lied. He will probably be fired. Or fake an illness. Not seeing any "ifs" in there bro... New information came out after this post, but you're right, I shouldn't have been so definitive.
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It's not uncommon for people to have a natural knee jerk reaction. Sometimes fighting what seems like a common reflex pays dividends.
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That is the problem with the Me Too movement. If someone comes out and says someone did something to them then the media turns on that person right away. There is no due process. The University is doing it right suspension until further investigation and not firing to bow down to media pressure. He should not be fired until proven guilty after an appropriate investigation.
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You can't stop the court of public opinion. The media, and social media, will only increase the amount of influence this court has going forward.
There's nothing wrong with drawing an opinion right away so long as you are willing to change it (as applicable). Most people/media outlets don't seem as excited for this part or bury it on their site (I wonder why that is...). The damage has often already been done, so as Pit said - maybe we try to fight the natural impulse to have a knee jerk reaction (or at least to publicize it).
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You can't stop the court of public opinion. The media, and social media, will only increase the amount of influence this court has going forward.
There's nothing wrong with drawing an opinion right away so long as you are willing to change it (as applicable). Most people/media outlets don't seem as excited for this part or bury it on their site (I wonder why that is...). The damage has often already been done, so as Pit said - maybe we try to fight the natural impulse to have a knee jerk reaction (or at least to publicize it). There is literally no harm in having a knee jerk reaction on a message board.
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You can't stop the court of public opinion. The media, and social media, will only increase the amount of influence this court has going forward.
There's nothing wrong with drawing an opinion right away so long as you are willing to change it (as applicable). Most people/media outlets don't seem as excited for this part or bury it on their site (I wonder why that is...). The damage has often already been done, so as Pit said - maybe we try to fight the natural impulse to have a knee jerk reaction (or at least to publicize it). There is literally no harm in having a knee jerk reaction on a message board. Just as long as they realize they’re jerks.
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You can't stop the court of public opinion. The media, and social media, will only increase the amount of influence this court has going forward.
There's nothing wrong with drawing an opinion right away so long as you are willing to change it (as applicable). Most people/media outlets don't seem as excited for this part or bury it on their site (I wonder why that is...). The damage has often already been done, so as Pit said - maybe we try to fight the natural impulse to have a knee jerk reaction (or at least to publicize it). There is literally no harm in having a knee jerk reaction on a message board. Yes, there is...because then it leads to a country where this is acceptable by the media: Knee-jerk reaction by the media Screw facts and information, just fire people for the public reaction.
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I'm sadden that deadspin is considered 'media'.
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I'm sadden that deadspin is considered 'media'. Bleacher Report is the 3rd biggest sports media site on the internet...and guess what, it's pretty much like posting on a messageboard ... hence my point.
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You can't stop the court of public opinion. The media, and social media, will only increase the amount of influence this court has going forward.
There's nothing wrong with drawing an opinion right away so long as you are willing to change it (as applicable). Most people/media outlets don't seem as excited for this part or bury it on their site (I wonder why that is...). The damage has often already been done, so as Pit said - maybe we try to fight the natural impulse to have a knee jerk reaction (or at least to publicize it). There is literally no harm in having a knee jerk reaction on a message board. Yes, there is...because then it leads to a country where this is acceptable by the media: Knee-jerk reaction by the media Screw facts and information, just fire people for the public reaction. How many people do you think are on here?
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Don't underestimate the power of the words you post. Whether you realize it or not people do read what is written on social media and form an opinion either of the topic or of you personally. The validity of what is written doesn't seem to matter in many cases, and it seems to be more and more frequent that issues are blown up.
I'm not singling you out and I sure as heck don't intend to sound preachy (but realize that's probably how this is going to come across). Post all the knee jerk reaction stuff you like, I'll probably do it at some point too, because I agree that the forum that is DT will do less damage than something like Facebook.
My point is simply:
Social media is a very powerful tool.
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He knows that, mike. That is why he uses it to spread his blank.
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Don't underestimate the power of the words you post. Whether you realize it or not people do read what is written on social media and form an opinion either of the topic or of you personally. The validity of what is written doesn't seem to matter in many cases, and it seems to be more and more frequent that issues are blown up.
I'm not singling you out and I sure as heck don't intend to sound preachy (but realize that's probably how this is going to come across). Post all the knee jerk reaction stuff you like, I'll probably do it at some point too, because I agree that the forum that is DT will do less damage than something like Facebook.
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Social media is a very powerful tool. Agreed. I usually am more guarded in my comments and if I could go back I would probably change some of the things I said (or at least the way I said them). My only point was that having knee jerk reactions on this message board probably won't have any horrible after effects.
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so OSU released a statement saying the investigation will be done within 14 days ... just in time for week 1
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so OSU released a statement saying the investigation will be done within 14 days ... just in time for week 1 They also invited the woman who investigated Zeke, BountyGate and the Panthers workplace harrassment. Mary Jo White. Yeah, she's pretty incompetent when it comes to these investigations.
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Honestly, how about instead of trying to find a way Urban is not at fault, we realize that the dude knew one of his coaches was beating a women, and he did nothing about it. If this is try hes a POS and should not be leading young men and held as a shining role model.
sheesh, you people care more about football game than you do the fact a women was getting beaten by her husband, and not one MAN stood up to stop it. And what was that women doing living with this man? We are not on the middle ages, just pack your stuff, take the kids and get the hell out... This whole victim thing makes no sense this day and age... report the guy to the police, and move on with your life... I'm a liberal and will say the following, a person who takes the abuse because of social convenience (job, status, etc) is worst in my eyes than the abuser, at least the abuser has the psychological disturbance excuse, while the victim is just doing it for the money.
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I checked my comments and don't like the way they can be read so apologies there. I think the topic plays a role too - this one being of a more serious nature I was probably on edge (plus I was on edge in general yesterday). But in general it sounds like we are on the same page.
I tend to post in a similar fashion to what you described, but I expect to have lots and lots of knee jerk reactions once I start watching the team again lol.
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If anyone is interested, there are on-line petitions out there to offer support for Urban Meyer. You can also contact media outlets like ESPN for shamelessly convicting a man before all of the facts are out. People have been doing both in droves. It's the point that ESPN is trying to weasel their way out of the prejudicial reports they were trotting out there on so many occasions.
This is America, and last I checked..........each person is permitted a fair trial and due process before they are deemed to be judged as guilty.
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You describe the America I wish I still saw. Now? I'm not so sure.
We now live in an America where, "Mexico doesn't send us good people"... As if Mexico actually "sent anyone here". Where the free press is "the enemy of the people". Where anyone who speaks out against the powers that be are labeled something, anything negative. Without trial, without objectivity and without showing or considering both sides.
You are describing the America I used to know. The one where John McCain told the audience that Obama was a good man, an American and not a Muslim. I'm afraid "that America" may be gone, sadly.
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And a whole bunch of hysterical sitting in judgment is simply not our place. I do not know personally. I care. I know right from wrong. I judge once I know.
This looked like tar and feather from the outset. And ESPN sure ran with it. Beats covering sports.
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I would recommend anyone who is interested in this situation listen to this podcast with Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel (two of the most respected football writers around): https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/fox-sports-network/the-audible/e/55618882They have Brett McMurphy on, the guy who broke the Urban Meyer story, and his comments were very interesting. Here is an article written by Mark Titus, he played basketball at Ohio State with Greg Oden and Mike Conley, on the situation: https://www.theringer.com/2018/8/9/17665722/ohio-state-urban-meyer-zach-courtney-smith-caseOne last thing, I didn't know that Zach Smith is the grandson of Meyer's mentor, Earle Bruce. Meyer trying to cover for Smith makes a whole lot more sense with that knowledge.
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Opening salvo to your link ...
Once an independent investigation delivers its results later this month, the university will face a choice about whether to fire its head football coach. The decision will speak volumes—about both college sports and the school’s priorities at large.
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The school made there priorities perfectly clear when they hired Urban Meyer to replace Jim Tressell ... they hired a snake to replace a snake ... no need to wait the verdicts all ready in on what the priorities are of those in charge at OSU ... winning is all that matters to them ... just like almost every other school out there ....
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This is a salvo alright. The decision will speak volumes—about both college sports and the school’s priorities at large. Making it sound like if they don't fire him, their priorities are in the wrong place....no matter what the investigation finds.
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I keep asking this question and no one will answer it. Has Zach Smith ever been convicted in a court of law of beating his wife?
If not, are people like you suggesting that Urban should have fired a man over an allegation? Before the trial? Seriously?
Look, if Zach Smith is guilty of the allegations.....I hope he pays for them. The allegations are very serious. I am not dismissing them.
However, I think it is morally and constitutionally wrong to punish a man w/out a trial. And it even more wrong to punish a man for waiting to see if the allegations are true or not before he fires that said man.
This reminds me of Salem and burning witches at the stake!
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I keep asking this question and no one will answer it. Has Zach Smith ever been convicted in a court of law of beating his wife?
He has not. Which, in my opinion, is why all of this onus should be on the POLICE first
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I keep asking this question and no one will answer it. Has Zach Smith ever been convicted in a court of law of beating his wife? Not that I've heard. And you knew that. But, vers, we live in a time where going after the biggest fish is the goal of all the haters.
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I keep asking this question and no one will answer it. Has Zach Smith ever been convicted in a court of law of beating his wife? Not that I've heard. And you knew that. But, vers, we live in a time where going after the biggest fish is the goal of all the haters. Yeah, I did know it. LOL I was just trying to be polite towards those who say Urban should have fired Smith. And I think you are right that some people just love bringing others down, especially powerful white men.
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This reminds me of Salem and burning witches at the stake! I knew you were up there, but I didn’t think you were old enough to witness that.
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I think the analysts at ESPN, Yahoo, and other outlets who immediately called for Urban to be fired should be fired themselves. Irresponsible journalism!
When the alleged victim's own mother says that she's lying......well..........what does that tell you?
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funny thing is, now that a little time has passed (and maybe some more facts have been presented) the firestorm in the media has subsided
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That's what kills me. They jumped all over this story when it looked like Urban and Smith were guilty. Now, that the evidence is coming out..........this story is disappearing.
And of course, the posters who were calling for all to be fired are now nowhere to be seen.
I had a hunch [not knowledge] that something was off w/this story. No indictments, court trials, etc. It's one person's word against another. It's best to remain neutral in that situation rather than going nuts and calling for heads to roll.
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Urban should be fired and charged with negligence.
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Why?
Because Courtney planned to take him and Urban down by fabricating stories?
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Why?
Because Courtney planned to take him and Urban down by fabricating stories?
Because in the media today you are guilty until proven innocent when it comes to certain narratives. Once proven innocent they do not retract their stories.
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If Urban does get axed, I feel tOSU will have done the right thing. If Urban remains our head coach, I feel tOSU will have done the right thing. We’ve cut loose winning coaches before, we embrace some of the greatest.
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