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For all of our sake, including josh, let’s hope it really is the hard knocks thing.
That would be the ideal situation.
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J/c ....
No one knows when hard knocks is leaving Berea? ...
I wonder what the nfl contract/rule is in regards to hard knocks ..
Could Josh and the team have drummed up the “its a continuing part of my rehab” cause there’s some rule in the contract with hard knocks that “everyone” has to be there ...
As i typed it .. it sounded like a much bigger stretch than it did when it was in my head ... *L* ...
Sounds far fetched but who knows ...
I don’t see how it could be anything to do with a failed/diluted or blown off test ... that would have been resolved by now either way ..
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Here are some bullet points highlights from last years last episode of Hard Knocks with Tampa Bay. In the locker room following the game, Dirk Koetter sets a grim tone: the preseason is over, and more than 30 players will be cut over the next two days. The most agonizing part of every season of Hard Knocks kicks off: the final cuts. Sefo Liufao gets the call to coach Koetter’s office first and is met with the proverbial axe. https://thepewterplank.com/2017/09/06/buccaneers-hard-knocks-episode-five-recap/My memory said they stayed until the end of the preseason. My link confirmed my memory of the situation. Since them being there till the end, wouldn't Josh showing up in the middle to towards the end of the preseason bring more attention to this entire situation than if he had been there all along? I mean up until this latest episode, it appeared everything was going smooth with Josh. Now? It seems if he shows up that even more attention would be drawn to what happened and why he was gone.
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I believe Hard Knocks stays until cuts are done
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When's that?
Isn't this the year we go ONE cut from 90 to 53 after game 4?
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Hard knocks should feature this thread on the show to add to all the drama.
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The drama was already added before training camp started. And by the usual suspect.
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Obviously most of us thinks it drug abuse, I haven't and I won't until proven wrong.. One thing I have learned in life is to not judge a person on rumors. We all need someone to believe in us. I have made many mistakes. And the support and trust I get from Family and Friends is what makes me be a better person. Im so grateful im not famous..or my ass would have been crucified in the public. I admire what Josh has done since last year..I will Love if he tears up this league. So in order for him to succeed..I have to say words of encouragement so he might feel its worth the effort. Knowing he doesn't see or hear what I say or feel..It makes me feel better to show the support in this situation.
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I really don’t think this one is drugs or alchohol related ... not at this point ...
Those that think it may be ...
Why at this point has something not been said by the league or the team ...
What could the hold up be?
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Maybe it was already said in Josh's Tweet...Like it has been said.."we support Josh, respect his privacy, let's talk about training camp and the guys who are here "
I believe they are right...just concentrate on whats happening on the turf.
This team needs to focus on winning..
People only talk about the big bad things...something simple as him waiting on Hard KNocks to leave is not a big bad thing to talk about.
So nothing is being talked about...Except for fans who don't know nothing..but want to speculate.
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When's that?
Isn't this the year we go ONE cut from 90 to 53 after game 4? Yep
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I really don’t think this one is drugs or alchohol related ... not at this point ...
Those that think it may be ...
Why at this point has something not been said by the league or the team ...
What could the hold up be? I don't get this because I really am not reading people claiming he failed a drug test. A few people did immediately, but that talk has went away. I've tried very hard not to speculate. My issue is how so many pro-Josh posters attack anyone who dares question Josh. People can spin this any way they want. They have and will continue to do so. I don't want to really spin it. All I know is that he is not here and that is not good for the team. I also know that he has been unreliable wherever he has went, whether it be the two colleges he got booted from or here in Cleveland. I'm not making any predictions as to when--or if--he'll be back. I will predict that it is going to be very hard for the team to ever rely on him because it's always something w/Josh.
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I have never watched the show, but if they are there and filming during cuts the coaches who allow that are a bunch of punks. I wouldn't let them in the room no matter what the NFL says. I wouldn't cut somebody in front of a camera.
That's BS. Screw the NFL and screw HBO.
I mean seriously...who in here would want to get cut, terminated in front of a camera to be shown on TV?
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Ut oh. Another reason for you to promote the firing of Hue.
You do realize that has been a huge part of the show every year, right? And will you ignore that or will you just bash Hue and say we need to fire him because he is a "punk?"
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To be fair, I'm pretty sure they all get paid residuals each time the show airs.
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I have never watched the show, but if they are there and filming during cuts the coaches who allow that are a bunch of punks. I wouldn't let them in the room no matter what the NFL says. I wouldn't cut somebody in front of a camera.
That's BS. Screw the NFL and screw HBO.
I mean seriously...who in here would want to get cut, terminated in front of a camera to be shown on TV? Agree 100%. Just tell them "I don't care what the NFL told you, you are not bringing cameras into my office for cuts.".
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Just tell them "I don't care what the NFL told you, you are not bringing cameras into my office for cuts.". I think if it was said in the ways that players and coaches talk...it might get banned.... lol
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Hard Knocks will be gone the Sunday after our last preseason game, and then the last episode is the Tues before the season
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Hard Knocks will be gone the Sunday after our last preseason game, and then the last episode is the Tues before the season Thats a crap ass plan if he doesn’t come back til then .... I believe that sunday is a week before the real bullets start flying ...
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He's a gifted athlete, but he's not Superman. He needs to get into camp and get into football shape, learn this offense, and get some reps with Taylor. The more I think about this, the more I think its about his contract. He wants a do-over, I bet. If it was just about anxiety, being here with his friends/teammates and coaches would still be a better option than doing solitary workouts in Florida, imo.
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I really don’t think this one is drugs or alchohol related ... not at this point ...
Those that think it may be ...
Why at this point has something not been said by the league or the team ...
What could the hold up be? Reading over the last page of posts it just occurred to me. This very well could be a made for tv story, Josh disappears just before training camp! Ooooh the drama! When will he return?! It's on EVERYONE'S LIPS EVERY DAY! Then finally, in week three! THE TRIUMPHANT RETURN OF Flash Gordon! (Handel's Messiah plays gloriously over footage of bars throughout Cleveland with cheering fans fist pumping the air!)
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Josh Gordon may end up an exclusive-rights free agent next year, too Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2018, 9:37 AM EDT https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-next-year-too/Browns receiver Josh Gordon entered the NFL via the supplemental draft more than six years ago. But he has yet to qualify for restricted free agency. Now, he’s only two days away from not qualifying for restricted free agency, again. Because he’s on the reserve/did not report list, a failure by Gordon to report by August 7 will keep him from earning a year of credit toward free agency. Which will continue to keep him at only two years of credit toward free agency. And that will tie him to the Browns at least through 2019. Gordon secured his two years of credit toward free agency in 2012 and 2013, his first two NFL seasons. In 2014, the NFL suspended Gordon 10 games under the substance-abuse policy. Then, the team suspended him for one game at the end of the season. That kept him at five games for the year, which kept him at two years of credit toward free agency. Then came Gordon’s extended suspension, wiping out 2015. In 2016, Gordon entered rehab on the brink of a reinstatement that would have become effective in early October. Gordon eventually was reinstated during the 2017 season, but (coincidentally and perhaps conveniently) he played in only five games, keeping him once again at two years of credit. In 2018, the number of games he plays won’t matter if he fails to report by Tuesday, August 7, 30 days before the launch of the regular season. Per Article 8, Section 1(b) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, “A player shall not receive an Accrued Season for any League Year in which the player is under contract to a Club and in which he failed to report to such Club at least thirty days prior to the first regular season game of that season.” The Browns originally announced that Gordon would be placed on the non-football illness list. Then the team reversed course, opting for reserve/did not report list. Which means he failed to report. Which means that if he doesn’t report at least 30 days before the September 6 regular-season opener between the Falcons and Eagles, he’ll once again be stuck at two years of service, even if he appears in all 16 regular-season games in 2018. Which means that the Browns will be able to keep him in 2019, with no opportunity for Gordon to leave via restricted or unrestricted free agency.
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Josh Gordon may end up an exclusive-rights free agent next year, too Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2018, 9:37 AM EDT https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-next-year-too/Browns receiver Josh Gordon entered the NFL via the supplemental draft more than six years ago. But he has yet to qualify for restricted free agency. Now, he’s only two days away from not qualifying for restricted free agency, again. Because he’s on the reserve/did not report list, a failure by Gordon to report by August 7 will keep him from earning a year of credit toward free agency. Which will continue to keep him at only two years of credit toward free agency. And that will tie him to the Browns at least through 2019. Gordon secured his two years of credit toward free agency in 2012 and 2013, his first two NFL seasons. In 2014, the NFL suspended Gordon 10 games under the substance-abuse policy. Then, the team suspended him for one game at the end of the season. That kept him at five games for the year, which kept him at two years of credit toward free agency. Then came Gordon’s extended suspension, wiping out 2015. In 2016, Gordon entered rehab on the brink of a reinstatement that would have become effective in early October. Gordon eventually was reinstated during the 2017 season, but (coincidentally and perhaps conveniently) he played in only five games, keeping him once again at two years of credit. In 2018, the number of games he plays won’t matter if he fails to report by Tuesday, August 7, 30 days before the launch of the regular season. Per Article 8, Section 1(b) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, “A player shall not receive an Accrued Season for any League Year in which the player is under contract to a Club and in which he failed to report to such Club at least thirty days prior to the first regular season game of that season.” The Browns originally announced that Gordon would be placed on the non-football illness list. Then the team reversed course, opting for reserve/did not report list. Which means he failed to report. Which means that if he doesn’t report at least 30 days before the September 6 regular-season opener between the Falcons and Eagles, he’ll once again be stuck at two years of service, even if he appears in all 16 regular-season games in 2018. Which means that the Browns will be able to keep him in 2019, with no opportunity for Gordon to leave via restricted or unrestricted free agency. IF he comes back and plays the year, get a deal done and lock him up for four.
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The Plot thickens. Wouldn't it be wild if he's seen at Hopkins International Airport tonight? Lol
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So there are now two deadlines Josh is facing... 1. August 7 - Report to camp or see free agency fade back yet another year. Wasn't the goal of his big "Josh Comeback" PR media blitz earlier this year? To set the stage for a big free agency payout? 2. August 18 - Report to camp to practice for the last two pre-season games to have any hope of being minimally prepared for regular season games. (My own somewhat arbitrary but fairly reasonable deadline.) If Josh misses these two deadlines and there is no failed drug test, I think his performance anxiety disorder is so profound that he can't function in the NFL without illegally self-medicating. If he can't overcome his issues enough to meet a critical free agency deadline or the minimal stress of training camp, how can he possibly be expected to perform well without the assistance of drugs during the high stresses of the regular season? That would mean that his original explanation for missing the start of training camp was exactly correct. He needs counseling and therapy. But that Josh needs rehab and counseling not as much for drug addiction but perhaps more for psychological counseling?
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j/c: Josh Gordon 'getting closer' to returning to the #Browns, source tells http://cleveland.com . And as @profootballtalk pointed out, he must report by Tuesday to be eligible for RFA after '18 and FA after '19
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magically he's better when there's an incentive haha... hopefully he's back then
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magically he's better when there's an incentive haha... hopefully he's back then Don't worry, Josh goes both ways. He's magically better when he has an incentive and he's magically sicker when he has an incentive.  How about this stunt? Josh shows up August 7 to meet that 30 day deadline before the season starts. Then he plays for six regular season games, thereby qualifying for a full year on his free agency clock. But lo, suddenly he gets "sick" again and has to go back into rehab for nearabouts a year.  Well kids, we now have yet another deadline to watch out for - Monday, October 15. This is the day after the Browns 6th regular season game against the Chargers. Please Cleveland Browns.... pleeeeeeaase.... just jump off the Josh Gordon Drama Train.
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Don't worry, Josh goes both ways. Now there's a bit of information that's new to me.
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This saga has grown tiresome.
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Don't worry, Josh goes both ways. Now there's a bit of information that's new to me. 
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Josh Gordon definitely won't be back with the #Browns by Tuesday, but the club won't let it hurt his free agency status, source says. The most important thing is Gordon's health and well-being Haha....so does this sound like they plan on cutting him or extending him?
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Josh Gordon definitely won't be back with the #Browns by Tuesday, but the club won't let it hurt his free agency status, source says. The most important thing is Gordon's health and well-being Haha....so does this sound like they plan on cutting him or extending him? Maybe they're just hoping to keep things on good-terms. Moral is important. If he comes back, plays well this season, and stays clean; i don't have much of a problem with it to be honest. Sometimes doing right by people pays off. And sometimes the carrot is better than the stick. It's not like he wouldn't be a RFA next year. Come, help take the top off the defense, be the best prepared that he can be, and make a difference, and I don't think holding the August 7th thing against him is necessary. The thought of counting on Corey Coleman to stay healthy or Hollywood Higgins as our number 2 receiver just doesn't sound great As i said, he's on the team next year as a RFA either way, JMHO.
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Josh Gordon may end up an exclusive-rights free agent next year, too Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2018, 9:37 AM EDT https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-next-year-too/Browns receiver Josh Gordon entered the NFL via the supplemental draft more than six years ago. But he has yet to qualify for restricted free agency. Now, he’s only two days away from not qualifying for restricted free agency, again. Because he’s on the reserve/did not report list, a failure by Gordon to report by August 7 will keep him from earning a year of credit toward free agency. Which will continue to keep him at only two years of credit toward free agency. And that will tie him to the Browns at least through 2019. Gordon secured his two years of credit toward free agency in 2012 and 2013, his first two NFL seasons. In 2014, the NFL suspended Gordon 10 games under the substance-abuse policy. Then, the team suspended him for one game at the end of the season. That kept him at five games for the year, which kept him at two years of credit toward free agency. Then came Gordon’s extended suspension, wiping out 2015. In 2016, Gordon entered rehab on the brink of a reinstatement that would have become effective in early October. Gordon eventually was reinstated during the 2017 season, but (coincidentally and perhaps conveniently) he played in only five games, keeping him once again at two years of credit. In 2018, the number of games he plays won’t matter if he fails to report by Tuesday, August 7, 30 days before the launch of the regular season. Per Article 8, Section 1(b) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, “A player shall not receive an Accrued Season for any League Year in which the player is under contract to a Club and in which he failed to report to such Club at least thirty days prior to the first regular season game of that season.” The Browns originally announced that Gordon would be placed on the non-football illness list. Then the team reversed course, opting for reserve/did not report list. Which means he failed to report. Which means that if he doesn’t report at least 30 days before the September 6 regular-season opener between the Falcons and Eagles, he’ll once again be stuck at two years of service, even if he appears in all 16 regular-season games in 2018. Which means that the Browns will be able to keep him in 2019, with no opportunity for Gordon to leave via restricted or unrestricted free agency. IF he comes back and plays the year, get a deal done and lock him up for four. Why? Let him prove himself to be dependable before throwing more money at him. If he gets through camp next year, then maybe. However, what if Callaway, Higgins, and Coleman prove to be consistent playmakers? We can sign Gordon next year to an RFA deal, with a 1st or 2nd round tender. If he plays to a level of greatness, and stays out of trouble, then look into a long term deal. Worse comes to worse and you franchise him for a year or 2. No big deal. However, to sign him to an extension after this year, with big bonuses, would, frankly, be idiotic. Make Gordon prove that he can stay clean for a couple of years before throwing big cash bonuses at him.
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I for one am growing sick of him. I have been in his corner up to this point, but I am tired of the whole thing.
I follow him on social media, and he looks fit and healthy. I don't believe he is on drugs anymore, but this "time away" thing is wearing on me. If you can train daily and post pictures of yourself, and you are not in rehab, then what the hell is the problem. I understand anxiety, my wife deals with it and it can be disabling. To me I think he is pushing this to a different level.
I say show up and perform, or just fade away into the night. done with this whole thing.
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