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And our two primary running backs still rushed for 4.15 yards per carry.

The only explanation is Hue is a dumb ass.

Any chance that YPC number was skewed by a handful of long runs?

No chance. The only explanation is Hue is a dumb ass.

A handful of long runs is great when you only run the ball a handful of times. Imagine how many long runs we could have if we ran the ball even more.

Glad you agree.



Interesting reply to dep though. Got nothing? Call someone angry.

jay, I agree we need to have balance. I was responding to those who say we need to pound it on the ground and then pound it some more. That's not balance. That's asinine.

Alright, I guess I will try this again just for guys like you who are honest. I want to mention that there is one poster who isolates each one of my assertions and refutes it. My contention is that all of these factors combined together skewed the notion on whether or not Hue likes to run the ball or not. And again, if I have to, I can pull up his rushing totals when he was in a more favorable situation w/other teams to add further evidence of my claim. But please, I've posted those stats several times and really don't feel like taking 30 to 60 minutes looking them up again.

Alright, here are some reasons why I think that we didn't run the ball as often as some would like:

--We were behind in many games and teams pass more when they are trailing, especially late in games.

--Teams stacked the box to stop the run. We have quotes from guys like Joel Bitonio and Joe Thomas to verify this point. Beating your head against the wall is not a sound strategy. You try and attack the D's weaknesses.

--We had a rookie qb who was prone to making mistakes. Running for 1 yd. on first down and 2 yds on second down [which happened quite a few times] and putting Kizer in a 3rd and long situation would not be smart. There are two reasons for that. One, he held the ball way too long because he struggled to go through progressions. That led to sacks. Secondly, he was prone to throwing interceptions. Those interceptions would obviously increase percentage wise if the defenses knew we had to pass and could disguise their coverages.

--This is related to the previous statement.......when you have a qb like Kizer, you want to throw when teams are not expecting you to throw. Less pressure on your young qb.

--Our offense moved the ball at times, but typically did something stupid the longer the drive took. Looking for some big plays was an attempt to negate that.

I don't think any of those things just stand on their own, but when you combine them, one [who has played and coached the game] can easily see the why of it.

While we're imagining things, imagine how many more 1-2 yard runs we could have had if we ran the ball even more. Imagine further how many 3rd and longs we'd have expected our inept QB to convert.

I wonder if instead of that Hue tried to give the QB more chances to move the chains since he had no faith in him succeeding with only one try on 3rd and long, and, since he had no faith in our RBs to gain more than 4 yards on 1st and 2nd down collectively he had to try something else.

It don't matter how you cut it we needed to run the ball more while at the same time realizing we weren't very successful at it on the first two downs.

Crow is decent, not elite. We all see it, have for a few years now. I don't care what we averaged last year, and those stats are probably skewed anyway because no doubt we picked up some run yards when the other team played prevent.

While we're imagining things, imagine how many more 1-2 yard runs we could have had if we ran the ball even more. Imagine further how many 3rd and longs we'd have expected our inept QB to convert.

I wonder if instead of that Hue tried to give the QB more chances to move the chains since he had no faith in him succeeding with only one try on 3rd and long, and, since he had no faith in our RBs to gain more than 4 yards on 1st and 2nd down collectively he had to try something else.

It don't matter how you cut it we needed to run the ball more while at the same time realizing we weren't very successful at it on the first two downs.

Any chance that YPC number was skewed by a handful of long runs?

j/c:

I have heard a lot of talk about how no one will outwork Baker, but during the Hard Knocks episode, they showed Taylor arriving before anyone else and another player mentioned about how early he arrives and stays.

They also showed a clip of Hue and Baker on the practice field where Hue is asking him about what time he arrives and referencing when Taylor arrives. It wasn't snarky, but it sounded like fatherly advice.

As of right now, it's pretty evident that Taylor is out-working Baker.

I will say that it also seems fairly evident that Baker has a stronger arm than Taylor does.

I got HBO via Hulu for Hard Knocks. It's not that expensive. I haven't watched the first episode yet (never watched Hard Knocks before), but I will.

IIRC, Taylor does possess a very strong arm, but doesn't like to sling it all over the field. Baker's looking stronger says something.

I think it was evident that Tyrod's arm looked week. Baker's looked functional.

Yeah, he had a pass to Jarvis on the right side of the field that made me sort of think "Really?"

Looked a bit like a blooper. Pass was completed, but it certainly looked a bit weak.

But, Tyrod's arm is good enough to help the Bills win some games the past few years. So, we shall see.

I'll be first hand making my analysis tomorrow night against the Giants. I'm like row 14. Prices were good stadium's an hour and a half away in the expected traffic, so i figured, why not? I don't even have to go all the way to Cleveland to watch this one

Bills had/have one of the best running game O in the league, we don't.

Don't count on TT to carry the team in his shoulders, on the plus side, he will not lose them either....

The Bills also had one of the worst WR cores in the NFL.