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Nice take. I don't agree w/all of it, but you made very good points.

Can't wait to see how the Coleman trade situation panned out.

Did you see in the previews for the upcoming show, it looked like Coleman was quite animated in Hue's office? I could be wrong because it was quick.

But, after hearing Landry's talk...........I'm pretty glad CC is gone.

He didn't have to buy anything. It was provided by the team.



I agree



I agree again.



I find him funny as hell. I also think he gets cut.



I could see the tension as well. I thought Hue handled the situation as well as possible. However, I agree with you.

That’s the way I saw it as well

I fully expect to see Bless’em t-shirts at camp on our fellow fans. Somebody can make some real money if the get that copyrighted! lol

I wonder who the receiver with the hoodie was, in the back, laying down in his chair? I was almost surprised that Landry didn't tell him to "sit the (&%#$&^* up".

belicheck spy

Don't need a copyright.

Just photoshop, and cafepress.com account.

No idea.

I found it interesting. Cause i liked that speech.

But then you had Hue and Haley talking about the necessity of rest verses practice.

Kind of new school thinking vs old school thinking.

Hue was a bit dismissive of Haley I think. Which is fine. Clearly, as the episode showed, it's Hue's team. There's no Pretend Coach or whatever thing


I like Landry. I just get nervous that if this team doesn't perform well, how his reaction will be. Just a feeling. But, Jarvis looks to be a heckuva player.

The show also gave me some excitement towards Josh Gordon. Definitely seems like he'll be back soon. That'd be a real bonus with Coleman gone and the Callaway thing.


Next week's episode looks to be exciting though

Good to see Josh Gordon is still texting back and forth with Hue Jackson.

It's called bullyism.

Bullyism from the comfort of behind the keyboard.

https://twitter.com/RotoWearClassic/status/1027153499283496960

Jarvis not getting this copyrighted before the first episode

Today, all of these star players have clothing lines. You can buy Josh Gordon designed clothes. There are a lot of other Browns players you can do this with. I'm talking graphic tees and sweats, so don't donate your craft and barrow stuff just yet.

My take away from hard knocks goes back to last season when Dorsey said they don’t have real football players on the roster. He was definitely on the mark.

We are in week one of camp and a veteran WR is pleading with these guys to practice? Oh hell no. I thought his speech lacked a little clarity and came off as a touch contrived but the message was clear GET YOUR ASS OUT THERE AND PRACTICE.

What were they even doing in a room with Carl Nassib holding court, like was this at lunch? During a break or was he holding a meeting? I don’t understand. He does look WAY bigger at practice than he does on the field...

I don’t like Gregg Williams, he comes off as disingenuous. 7 teams? Sure dude.

I did notice how well covered Landry was even if he was making catches against Ward. Ward was literally climbing on his back when he caught it. Good signs from both players.

Baker threw some dimes.

I saw Taylor lollipop a couple, but hey for completions.

Even if they weren’t focusing on it, they showed Coleman looking terrible and I get the distinct feeling Todd Haley was talking about him in the coaches meeting. Then Landry echoes the same sentiments in the WR room……

Poor kid…..fluffing a QB’s pillow? Drew Stanton is a bum has he even earned that type of revelry?

I saw Avery out of position and chasing a couple of times.

As bad as I felt for Hue, I couldn’t help but think “get the camera off this guy….come on”.

None of this looked crisp, it looked too loose and too sloppy for my liking. I know the players love hue for being a player’s coach but Baker just kind of roaming around, coach stopping him to talk to him…..awesome…..why is this a conversation we are having during training camp? Why is Baker wandering? Where are you supposed to be?


Nothing I saw last night makes me more confident in this team.

Also hearing that Brogran Roback wanted to get pop tarts and dorritos for the RV made me even more convinced that he is really just a hastily-made madden create-a-player

I was a bit uncomfortable intruding on Hue's grief. IMO, we have a LOT of work to do, that showed last night.

I could have swore they said Duke's name??

Oh if they did I missed it.

Hue mentioned Duke by name, saying that he had a history of hamstring injuries and he doesn't want to ride him to long in practice. I don't think Jarvis was talking about Duke, because it looked like a WR meeting room. It also didn't look like Duke was in there, but I hope that he is in a few WR meetings. I feel like we've always had camp cupcake. I wonder what the numbers are across the league about these days off.

I am not saying this harshly, but you must not have ever attended a TC throughout the years in Berea or ever watched NFL Network's "live reports" from other team's training camps. Guys stand around far more than they are actively participating. It's just the nature of TC.

I almost noted that my anecdotal experience is entirely from high school. I've never been to a training camp.

j/c:

I haven't seen the speech yet but Joe Banner is on twitter kinda bashing Landry. Something about the "F" word every other word and players don't look all that impressed, and other players he worked with would be laughing at Landry for his approach.

Watching later should be fun and I pretty much dismiss anything Banner comments on anyways.

Yeah, it's night and day from high school.

If you ever have time, turn on NFL Network anytime between 10:00 A.M. and 7:00 P.M. You only have to watch for a couple of minutes and you'll see what I am talking about. Even Tom Brady does a lot of nothing.

Yep.

They have 90 players in camp to take looks at, and only 1 set of coaches. A coach could be talking to a player, Baker, for instance, while Tyrod is in 11 on 11's, telling him what the keys are, why he does what he does, or even what he did wrong.

been awhile since the Browns had a WR or a player with that much passion.
very few players have wanted to change the losing culture since 1999.
most.were content just to get a paycheck
Weeden....Massaquoi.....Shelton...Manziel...
Wish Joe Thomas had his fire.

j/c:




https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/1027211723533676550

I tend to wonder, in this day and age, how big of a problem "availability" is. Especially when it's easy to surmise that a lot of it is laziness.

"It's too hot, I don't wanna run my butt off today. Do you think the coach will give me any $h*t?"
"Nah, coach is cool - just tell him your hammy has been bothering you."

And yes, Jarvis is 100% correct - it's contagious. Many players on subpar teams are pretty sure they are locked in for a roster spot, so why bust it if you don't have to?

I know this crap doesn't happen on the Patriots field - because you flat-out won't have a job.

I agree with what RB coach Kitchens said. "Can't I just have the player dressed and ready to go and make it clear I'm aware of his limitations?" That discussion was the only part of the episode that I didn't give huge thumbs up to Hue for the way it was handled. Haley is right - there is a lot of work to do, we can't afford to "play from behind" in any aspect. While I admired Hue's leadership from the standpoint of saying "I'm the man, trust me, I'm aware to the pitfalls." I think that if there is an elephant in the room - it can't be ignored. That was a great place for a leader to talk to the field generals and discuss possible solutions / repercussions for players that seem to have a problem with "availability".

Imagine being a teacher where 20% of your students are constantly absent... and it's your job to provide make-up work whether they ask for it or not. Imagine being that teacher and your success and chances of keeping your job are graded on how the class performed overall, even if some students had little interest in participating.

How often are they eligible to be worn?

I loved Jarvis speech the most. Dude just got paid and has 100% the correct and proper mindset with us.

True leader, even better of a signing than before. Liked the show though. Felt so sorry for Hue.

Saw the Hard Knocks show last night. I wasn’t in favor of that show coming to Cleveland. Thought it would be a distraction. But in the end, I thought it was cool, I liked it.

It was hard to watch the segment on Hues grief. Very hard to watch. I can’t believe they would have shown that without his permission. Very private matter. I think I’d have not allowed it, but that’s just me.

Nassib was funny and I thought he was trying to help those guys with his discussion of money. Clearly there was at least one guy that didn’t get it. The Taylor Swift thing was funny. Hue made some fun of him.

Garrett is ripped…Damn

Landry, wow, all the one handed catches and he makes them look easy. He clearly works at his craft.

Landry again was so vocal. He doesn’t want to lose, doesn’t seem like he’ll accept losing and it looks like he was a SOLID pick up on and off the field.

Bless em is going to be on a T Shirt before the end of today..LOL

Josh Gordon does appear to be coming back based solely on the text Hue received from him offering condolences for his losses. Kind of gave me the feeling he’d be back.

*side note: was at the pub last night picking up dinner for the wife and I. Met a guy and we struck up a conversation about the Browns. His best friend works for the Browns. Regarding Josh Gordon, his friend told him that Josh didn’t want to be around the Hard Knocks crew because of the obvious questions that would arise and he thought it would be a distraction that neither he nor the team needed, thus, with the team agreement, he sat out camp. Take that with a grain of salt. I don’t know the guy I met last night, and I don’t know the name of his friend that supposedly works for the Browns. Could be a bunch of BS.

Coach Williams is one tough sounding guy. I’d rather be on his good side. But he seems to get respect.

Tyrod Taylor is a leader. Landry talking about him being the first in and the last out. Happy Birthday

The RV: Ok I’m not sure I get it but if in any way it helps, who am I to complain.

I don’t have a problem with the exchange between Jackson and Haley. Jackson is right, it’s his team to run. But I thought Haley had a good point.

Can’t wait until next week. They are going to talk about Coleman and the Giants game. Should be interesting.

I’m not going to enjoy the cut downs. I’m sure there will be more than a few surprises.

Well there's a speech and then there is the player living and breathing the things he said in the speech. Banner can go kiss by shiny white behind. Hate how he feels the need to chip in on the Browns randomly. He tried and he failed. Move over.

j/c

I thought Nassib explaining both investing and time management to some players who seemed to not have a clue about either one was a great thing. To me it simply means he's a guy who cares about his team mates.

There's no doubt in my mind that Gregg Williams is an old school, hard nosed coach and from the highlights of next weeks episode, we're going to see some hard evidence of that.

Some may not have cared for the way Landry delivered his message to the WR group, but it's exactly what this team needs and this isn't the Jr. High bowling league.

The camera they used filming Hue's grief was not done by a camera crew in the later portion. It was done by a fixed, mounted camera. Hard Knocks has full access to any and all things during training camp. Many of us have had to deal with grief and know the depth of it. While it did show the human side of Hue, I thought televising this was classless on the part of Hard Knocks.

I felt the talk Hue had with Baker was something every rookie needs to hear. The QB is the field general of your team. Being the first one in and the last one out sets the tone for the entire team. Becoming an NFL QB is a learning experience. Things that many see as trivial can be a valuable tool over the life of a players career.

Overall I thought it was a pretty well done first episode. They set the tone and back story pretty well. I just hope fans will remember that the NFL isn't for the faint of heart. It's a real world survival of the fittest. If you're looking for a lot of kindness and compassion during training camp, this show most likely isn't for you.

I wish the best for Hue during his time of grief which is an ongoing process.

Here is the exchange between Hue and Baker that some of us were talking about earlier:

https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/1027243822714114048


https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/1027243822714114048


^^ Not me ^^.

As I predicted, you are going out of your way to shed a negative light on Hue. You posted the Haley/Hue thing twice. Predictable behavior.

Predicted? No.
Fabricated? Yes.

The Haley look is hilarious. You're just going to have to swallow that pill.
The Aditi K. tweet was a direct result from the picture where Haley made those comments.

And I want to share that shirt with the board....it's great.

I really don't like the shirt. But the only reason for that is due to its accuracy.

No, I did predict it and it wasn't hard, because you do it all the time.

I actually sided w/Haley during the discussion, but the "look" was uncalled for.

And for those of you w/an open mind and who aren't familiar w/the rep, Todd Haley is know as an abrasive ass. He starts bar fights. His players did not like him in other places. Ben lobbied to have him canned. He is not the kind of guy that people like.

So, while Memphis will use that exchange as an indictment on Hue...........the truth of the matter might lie elsewhere.

Now, I'm done talking to you on this subject Memphis. Onward w/your quest to drum up more support for your Fire Hue campaign.