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Yeah, I listen to Cleveland Browns Daily almost every day and he makes it clear that his job is to find the positives. Who would want to listen to a team employee bash the team every day?

He also clearly states when he's giving facts vs when he's giving opinion. I really like him.

I watched Calloway singlehandedly destroy Kentucky and this was a pretty talented secondary 2 years ago,that was pressing and he just ate it up. they moved the safety over to help and it didnt help. Callaway just has that steve smith, antonio brown ability to make that slight shift at high speed that corners have trouble anticipating.

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3. Solid Reviews for Bitonio: So far, so good for LT Joel Bitonio, who will not see excess reps at the position during the preseason despite being new to it. Per Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Bitonio has been doing a fine job containing DE Myles Garrett, to which the defensive end had a priceless response:


4. Big Day for Peppers: Per Scott Petrak of the Chronicle-Telegram, SS Jabrill Peppers had a big day with two interceptions and nearly had a third.

Browns Notes: Baker excited for debut, looking to take advantage of extended PT; status quo with Gordon; much more

http://www.brownszone.com/2018/08/07/bak...of-opportunity/

i just got back from camp .. i will post a few notes in a bit

In other words, everybody is really good.

Yes. All great in Berea!

Anyone watching Hard Knocks?

What I find interesting is that apparently everybody is having interceptions ... Peppers, Collins, Etc, and yet the QB's are doing great...

What gives.... something is not adding up...

It's camp... INT's happen even to the best QB's.

As camp goes on and they've got a ton of reps under their belt against the same guys running the same plays/groupings/formations, the defense pretty much knows EXACTLY what the O is about to do on any given play so they may tend to "cheat" the situation a little... but, that's not a bad thing as they should do exactly that during a game. The fact that they are able to take that familiarity and turn it into big plays is a good sign for the D. The fact that they aren't able to do it every play is a good sign for the QB's.

One thing i heard that did happen was they put Mayfield in some series with the number 1 defense against his number 2 offense.

Didn't go very well. So i think he threw some interceptions then.


It is expected though because he had to get used to the faster defense of the number 1's and prepare him to play a bunch vs the Giants

But yeah, it was his first time going against the 1's with the 2 offense

As Pdawg reminded me ... I never gave my thoughts about yesterday's practice. I had a great view of the offensive skill guys during their stations and group work ... and then watched the offense/defense square off.

A few things I noticed, for what it's worth:

- I was RIGHT by the RBs for a good 20 minutes. Chubb is WAY more physical than Hyde (honestly I was surprised at how "little" Hyde was). Hyde even got chewed out a bit for not being physical enough.

- Duke is the quickest by far. Amazing feet.

- You could just tell that Dayes isn't as good as the others. He got a TON of reps in scrimmage time, but I think they're preserving Chubb/Hyde/Duke.

- Callaway is so talented and fast ... it's a shame he's got the issues.

- Baker is VERY fast with his decisions from what I saw ... I mean, the ball is OUT of there, even if it's just a check down. That's a plus.

- Tyrod is a lot faster and quicker than I remembered.

- Njoku is a FREAK athlete ... just a joke. He didn't have any drops, but didn't catch many clean either.

- I met Rashard Higgins and Nick Chubb at the mall in Strongsville. Got pictures with each. Very nice guys.

- I just wanted a picture with Doug Dieken, but ended up talking with him for about 20 minutes. I think he was bored (and maybe liked my girlfriend ) ... anyways, I asked him about Corbett/Bitonio. He said Bitonio has looked MUCH better than he expected ... he believes he can be a long term answer and it's our best lineup. Very good reviews of the left side of our line thus far.

- There was a CB (McKinney??) that was really impressive (against the 1st string offense too) ... he was blanketing guys in the red zone drills.

- Weird: Kendricks was off, by himself, on the ground for a GOOD amount of time ... then, got up and returned to drills.

- Got a picture with Kevin Mack ... dude looks like he could still suit up

- Is Devalve hurt? Cajuste got most of the backup reps.

- Darren Fells is MASSIVE. And can't catch well.

- Ward got beat hard on an out/come back pattern at the goal line ... can't remember who beat him.

- Peppers returned punts/kicks ... coaches yelled to "GO GO"

- They tried a lot of guys in the defensive back field. It seems to me there's a lot of competition. That's either a good thing or a bad thing.

- I wanted to get a puppy, but none were warming up to me

- I'll try to make it back one more time before the end of camp

Thanks for the report. Devalue is hurt with a quad. I think you are thinking of McKinnon.

Good read, thanks for posting that.

yeah, McKinnon. Thanks

While watching Hard Knocks last night, Hyde looked huge. His thighs are massive.

I think Hyde will have the bulk of reps at least until Chubb shows that he can really block and catch. Especially block.

Last thing Haley wants is a rookie RB missing a block and getting our QB clobbered. Just a feeling.

But Chubb looks the part, so hopefully he's willing and responsive to blocking

Got to tell you that makes me a happy camper. Kelly Holcombe probably got rid of the ball faster than any other QB we've had since 99... Nearly every other QB held the ball too long or couldn't throw receivers open and waited waited waited for a guy to be open before throwing the rock. Quick release, anticipation, accuracy and reading the D .... It'd be a splendid thing.

I think DA got rid of it really fast. Remember how the sacks went way down when he took over.

Also, now that I think of it, the difference between Weeden and Hoyer was also immense.

Weeden was awful. I watched enough of him to know he didn't understand what he was seeing out there when he dropped back.

DA could get rid of the ball quick, my issue with him was that he seemed to me to always predetermine where he was throwing it pre snap... And then regardless of what happened, he threw it there. Kelly seemed better at getting to a 2nd read it his initial read was wrong.

I knew it, too. Of course, I had agenda and was clueless.

The shorter the throw DA had to make, the tougher it was. Almost no touch, but if you needed him to split two defenders with a 30-yard laser, he was the man who could do it.

I wasn't evaluating overall play. I thought we were talking about getting rid of the ball quickly, guys?

But, if y'all wanna go there............DA put up the greatest statistical year in Brown's history. As in.........ever!

We were talking about getting rid of the ball quickly, but somebody brought up Weeden and DA and I got flashbacks, lol.

I remember the night Hoyer got hurt against Buffalo in 2013. Weeden came in and he'd drop back, I could see the confusion in his eyes many times. Hoyer seemed to scan the field much quicker, so could get rid of the ball in a timely manner.

It's cool. I wasn't getting on your ass. Just clarifying what I was talking about.

And, I'm sorry.............but, I am irritated that a good thread was allowed to be hijacked. I knew it was coming, but still.........

Oh, it's not this thread. It's on another forum.

Darren Fells reminds me somewhat of Robert Royale...Big guy, gritty blocker, but iffy hands at best.

we said that too

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A mistake by Hue and I don't site many that he does. But in the end I think he will be forced into the decision as Calloway has shot himself in the foot.

Hey we might call him a RB but he still will be out there in the slot catching passes. I don't think he will lead the team in catches this year as we have the best WR in the NFL in Landry. I knew he was good but I was flabbergasted in watching him on Hard Knocks...oh and Bless you

Call me cynical, but I'm betting that Duke wants to be a WR because he wants WR money instead of RB money.


If he wants it that bad, he should just officially switch his position and compete with the WR's for his roster spot. If he wants to be content competing with the RB's for his roster spot, then he gets to accept that he is a RB.

Except he just signed a 3 year 15.5 million dollar contract..........


I did have the impression he liked WR more than RB because he didn't want to take the beating that RBs take. At least in a podcast i listened to

Duke just signed a new 3 year deal.

Hue has said, repeatedly, that he will not be moved to WR. Duke is very useful where he is right now, where he can be used in specific matchups. Would Duke be as consistently good against a #1, 2, or even 3 CB? The way he is used, he can go against a LB, or a S. He is very effective as a RB who can catch. He's not going to move.

Duke wants to be a WR to extend his career, take less of a beating, AND i'm sure it's more fun in today's NFL

Then he should officially switch his position to WR so that he can play WR.

I think that's what he's been telling Hue (whether seriously, jokingly, etc) ... and Hue said no

like i said before the transition from rb to wr is a very difficult one in the NFL.
Stanley Morgan is the only one that comes to mind as he played RB at Tennessee.
While Duke Johnson is a talent has amassed alot of catches theres a reason for that.
the Browns have had garbage at WR since Johnson was drafted.
who else in the offense was going to catch passes?
Im sure in the progressions Duke was more often than not the checkdown option.
he didnt have to face the other defenses best CB ever.
hes a tad overated when you consider the other recieving options
Louis Coleman Britt....where are they now?
hes a good all purpose player. but hes no Tyrek Hill or Stefan Diggs.