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He was probably in stage 1, and will probably progress to stage 2, if he fails a test.

I'm still confused about the combine. Reports say he tested positive for marijuana. Every report I read says, "it was for a diluted sample. A diluted sample is treated as a positive test result under the NFL's Policy and Program on Substances of Abuse."

Does this mean the diluted sample showed MJ present but under the threshold?

A diluted sample could be someone using an incredible amount of water to mask the pot in his system, or could indicate a masking agent. It is treated as a positive test.

The same thing happened with Peppers at his combine. (though he has, evidently, not failed any more tests)

I have nothing against drugs, quite the contrary, specially weed... but I hate stupidity.

People are stupid if your work test you for drugs and you persist in smoking pot, and specially if you go to work high or drunk, even if you are the owner.

Also stupid for a guy who just made it to have a gun and bullets in his car.

There is a moment in our life, unfortunately, where you have to grow old, take responsibility for your actions and for what you are. Don't ever let an addiction or vice define what you are and what you do, that's clearly crossing the line.

And believe me, I'm pretty liberal regarding other peoples, and my own's, vices and addictions...but never, ever let them define who and what you are.

Didn't have a gun. According to what I have read so far it was a part to a gun. Not sure about Ohio but if I remember correctly about Virginia law, having a gun AND drugs in a vehicle automatically triggers a much more serious charge. If it was a gun I doubt he would have been released.

I know this isn't very nice to say, but it's just reality... a lot of these guys just aren't all that smart. How many rocket surgeons do you think are taken in each draft? We can argue where the team's tolerance level for stupidity is until the cows come home and I don't think it would ever approach productive.

I am forcing myself to wait to see if Callaway pops hot on his test (you know he's gonna be tested). Until something happens, nothing has happened.
That said, I don't hold it against anyone that's jumping to conclusions right now. I get it, and I sympathize. We essentially drafted Gordon-lite, and from what we know we're getting Gordon-lite. Also, with what's been going on with Gordon, it's understandable that people are extra sensitive.

At the end of the day, when you boil it all down, Callaway didn't actually break any laws or rules. He hasn't tested positive for weed, he didn't have a gun in his car or do anything gun-related that will land him in hot water. Is it weird to have a glock strap (I still don't know what this is) concealed by the driver seat, with loose ammo rolling around in the car? Yes (emphatically). Is it suspicious that a guy with a history and a positive test (as debatable as the circumstances are) was found with some weed in his car? Yes (emphatically). But until it's determined that he's done something wrong, he hasn't done anything wrong... so it would be wrong to punish him if he hasn't done anything wrong.

And I'll step down from my soapbox with what I started with. A lot of these guys just aren't going to be the sharpest tools in the shed, and we are hilariously low on talented football players that can win games. Dealing with stupid stuff like this is just going to be the cost of doing business for the near future... until we get good enough to where we have talented players waiting in the wings.

Uber or lyft or a taxi...

I know he eventually got suspended...however...it was not due to drug-testing by the NFL. He was busted by the police for DUI and MJ possession and that led to his NFL suspension. That suspension was not due to a failed drug test. Point being: How did he "pass" the NFL drug test? I can only assume that they didn't test him right after the accident...as crazy as that seems.

Popped in August 2014...played the entire 2014 season...suspension announced in summer 2015 that he'd miss the first three games of the 2015 year...plenty of time to plan for not having him to start the season. Classic Steeler favoritism.

Mostly true. Anyone can end up with a diluted sample. My girlfriend, not a smoker, had to pee for a job. She drank coffee in the morning and drank a little extra water to ensure she had to pee when she got to the lab. The test came back dilute. She went back a couple days later and peed clean.
I don’t understand why the NFL considers a dilute sample a failed test. Make the player come back and pee again.

So cut him? How many more incidents like this does one man get? Fix the policy or fixate on the violator. Obviously not much deterrence thus far.

How about any player can do anything, ingest anything at any time, however desired. The only penalties are legal ones. The regular testing becomes part of the current injury/status report. How much would you take or modify to amp up your career.

That's probably sci-fi, but it would be simpler to work within the framework many seem to insist on and insist on trying to beat. Or ban them.

Guys, we need to cut him.

Cutting him sends a message to the lockeroom, and that message is:

WE ARE SERIOUS. WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT WINNING, AND WINNERS DON'T PUT UP WITH THIS BS.

One guy doesn't make a team. the old loser Browns are the ones who tolerate this. It would be one thing if it was only one mistake, but it isn't...you got credit card fraud(theft), and a filed drug test at the combine, and now this...there is a clear pattern here.

Callaway has ZERO respect for the city, the fans, or this organization. If it was up to me, I would have cut bait with Gordon after he got himself suspended for a year, only losers put up with that kinda nonsense.

The Browns won't turn the corner until this organization DEMANDS accountability and respect from its fans and its employees(players). No way Bellichik, Parcells, or the Rooney's put up with this. thats why they win games, that's why their players respect them, and the Browns continue to be a joke.

Dorsey, grow a pair and cut this guy...send the message to the lockeroom NOW and early that the old ways are OVER. We are serious about winning, and we wont tolerate this type of behavior period.

Are you asking me? Or "Just Clicking"?

Perhaps maybe...juuuuuust maybe...we should let the facts come out before cutting the guy?

Parcells? He won with a coke'd up LT

Rooneys? They won with a rapist (Ben) and known pot-smoker (Bell) and invented steroid use

Belicheck? The guy who lost draft picks due to cheating?

I understand your point and I simply disagree with it...BUT...your examples state exactly why we SHOULD NOT cut the guy.

FATE, the dilute sample is determined by two measurements in the urine test . One is creatinine and the other is specific gravity. If those are outside some range the sample is determined to be dilute. It does not mean there is any level of marijuana in their urine.

NO, HE DID NOT HAVE A GUN.


It was nothing more than a textured piece of trim that is part of a grip. It was NOT a gun!

Proves one thing well more than one but mostly tells me he is a MORON without a brain. No regard for the law. Suspended liscense and all. Assume a 4 day suspension will be up and coming! IDIOT! but for me, WR is the most over rated position. More reps for DUKE who I am enamored with as our WR!

I just quoted your post because it seems typical.

At this point it really doesn't matter about "passing a test". People keep ignoring the fact that the NFL drug policy considers a failed test OR possession of a controlled substance as a violation of the drug policy. The fact he possessed it in and of itself is a violation whether he passes the test or not. And I know we can debate whether it belonged to him or not, but by being in his vehicle and him driving the vehicle, legally it's in his possession

Now I agree with the majority of posters who really doesn't think finding a roach under his seat is a big deal. But that doesn't change NFL policy. It doesn't change the fact that the NFL will most likely act on this.

As far as Calloway going to New York with the team, that's pretty normal. The NFL hasn't announced any punishment as of yet so there's no reason he shouldn't. There would not be any reason not to have him as prepared as possible to be ready for the season should he be suspended and be coming back during the season.

I have no way of knowing if he's in a stage where a suspension is warranted. But for those that think punishment will hinge strictly on a urine test are ignoring that possession is also a violation of the NFL drug policy.

It's why these kids have to choose their friends wisely and "weed out" those who put them at risk. I'm certainly hoping for the best here but make no mistake. That roach in his car IS a violation whether he passes a drug test or not.

Absolutely, it is a violation.

That said, I would be surprised if the league sent down a suspension for it IF HE IS CLEAN.

He wasn't under the influence, the quantity is beyond minor - it's barely a misdemeanor, and the only real crime committed was a moving/traffic violation.


That said, this is the NFL... he'll probably get suspended for a year while the next wife beater has to sit out the first quarter of preseason.

They were not trying to turn a franchise around...

I don't think we have the build to deal with this stuff... too distracting

If he's in a stage that calls for a suspension, there's zero reason that the NFL wouldn't hand down a suspension. The policy plainly states that possession is considered the exact same violation as failing a test. Either and or. I see no reason or nothing in the rules that tie the two together.

Like I said, I'm certainly hoping for the best but the rules are pretty plain on this.

Does the amount matter when considering 'possession'?

oh, true, that's what it states.

The rules are also that it is all at the discretion of the Commish; there is no minimum sentencing rules binding people's hands here.

Not in anything I've seen in the substance policy.

I'm certainly hoping the NFL will look at all of the circumstances but it's probably going to be a hard thing for them to do considering Calloways history.

I mean I do understand why some fans believe the NFL may go easy in this situation. But I think they also have to be realistic enough to understand that Calloway has a pattern of bad behavior that sort of evens the scales in that regard.

It's kind of hard to say, "Well the guy screws up a LOT, but this one time...."

Thanks...I remember the 'trace' amounts thing in a 'positive' test...but cannot remember there being a threshold for the amount of drugs possessed.

There are SEVERAL patrol officers on the Strongsville PD. that are really LAME ! Believe me on this one !

Peppers failed due to a diluted sample. He was in some sort of testing program for a limited time. Once that period was over he was out of the program. I don't remember how long it was. Not long.

Thanks. It literally makes no sense that he's reported as "tested positive for marijuana" as all the stories state. That's exactly what I was trying to clear up. A diluted sample is merely treated with the same punishment of a positive test. It's like you can report anything you want at this point with no need to verify any facts.

By the NFL it's considered a positive sample. It counts as a positive sample. So you can parse that any way you wish, the outcome is the same.

Welcome to America 2018.

Here's how I parse it... TELL THE TRUTH!

The freaking headlines are Tests Positive for Marijuana

No excuse for blatant lies! (and yes, purposely telling a non-truth is a blatant lie).

According to NFL rules, he did test positive. That's the results.

well, that's an awfully deliberately obtuse response.

Yes, of course, technically that is how they treat the result, but that is not what the result was. The result was a diluted sample. It simply gets treated as a positive, but it is NOT a positive. When the headline deliberately omits 'diluted sample' to claim 'tests positive', they are deliberately creating a misconception because tempering the headline doesn't grab attention, BUT, you already know all of this, just as you are doing it with your "by the book" stance of "that's the league rules, that's what it is" because you're just enjoying being argumentative

well he's starting tonight and zegura said not to expect any punishment, so we'll see

I'm not sure why this is a surprise. Our offense is ran by former Bengals coaches and Todd Haley.

j/c:

With all the unread posts on this thread, I really thought there was some news on Callaway. LOL

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