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Sometimes after I read this thread I text my ex-girlfriend who runs a shelter for abused women, and I thank her for all the exhausting work she does.

Sometimes when I read this thread, I thank God that this country put laws into place that are designed to punish the guilty and exonerate the innocent.

Sometimes when we touch, the honesty's too much.

You thank God that the US proved that OJ didn't do it? That's weird.

If you want to presume innocence for the accused, that's fine, but I'm wondering why it comes at the expense of a victim.

Go play w/someone else. I don't like how you twist my words around.

"Dear Lord, thank you for giving OJ the means to afford a great law team, so that he could prove his innocence. Thank you for giving Johnny Cochran such quick wit and a way with African Street poetry. Thank you for Mr. Kardashian. You know his daughter is doing good legal work, just like him.

And a final thank you for making DV a he said, she said crime which makes it very hard to prosecute. Thank you for blessing the USA."

Comparing OJ's situation to Urban Meyer's is revolting.

I hope that you never have to face a false allegation. Your views might change just a bit.

Urban wasn't involved in the DV case. Zach Smith is... I know that Urban's case was tied to Zach Smith's case, but his investigation is for what he knew prior to Zach Smith's firing.

You are literally spinning at 1000rpm’s right now.

That's how I feel watching you guys attack a DV victim to defend Urban Meyer. Especially since Zach Smith admitted to choking out the mother of his children. It's sad. If Smith was a Steelers coach the entire forum would've admonished him by now. Instead you guys lament for him behind the guise of a legal system that is flawed in cases involving he said vs she said disputes.

Is there any proof other than that unverified text message that he admitted choking her?

First of all, I've only made three posts prior to this one in this thread and two of them had nothing to do with the topic at hand, the third one was in response to you and your spinning of Vers words like you did.

Second, I haven't seen anyone defend Zach Smith. I've seen a lot of people defend Urban Meyer and a lot of people saying wait until the investigation is over. Nothing wrong with that. Which is what I'm doing before I even comment on the topic.

No, there's no other public proof of him admitting that he chocked her, other than those unquestioned text messages, that Smith won't deny, where he admits to choking her.

Do people think that Brett McMurphy is not an actual journalist who doesn't fact check? His entire career would be over if it was found out that he was duped.

Also, go on Twitter and search Tom Herman's name.

I guess that depends on what you mean by defending Zach Smith. I think a lot of people are defending Zach Smith in their attempt to defend Urban. I think that you can defend Urban without defending Zach Smith. Obviously, Urban lied at Media Day, but personally I don't see the big deal. Coaches are very 'my way or the high way' type people. It's not unusual for people wanting to not discuss these topics at such a venue.

I think the real oversight has been done by the city of Powell.

I just find it funny that these "unverified" text messages have been up for weeks now and none of the named parties have questioned their validity.

Right. If these were made up we would have known hours after the report came out.

I've been following this since it broke and the guy who made this story is also the same one who wrote the article that zach smith and courtney's mother are both on the side of Zach. Seems like a great guy. What a moron. I hope this doesn't alienate us from Herman in the future. Urban won't become the next Joe Pa. He could retire anytime in the next 5 years. You just never know. We need to keep good relations with good coaches, especially those with roots to the program.

Brett McMurphy has already said that Tom Herman was/is not the whistleblower.

Well, the report is that they asked Courtney to talk to Brett. However, Brett said that he was tipped off by a friend that "someone on OSU's staff had a recent history of DV". Either way it makes no sense.

Yes, they have been. Zach Smith said they were not credible.

Zach claims texts not credible

It is funny the Courtney's mom hasn't come out and denied what has been written about her taking Zach's side though...

Questions credibility and not credible are not the same.

Why did Urban Meyer fire Zach Smith?

Yet you have no idea if she's really a victim at all. According to her own mom she isn't. But that's okay. Forget what her own mom said and follow a narrative you have no way of proving at the present time.

For some reason I find it hard to believe that her own mom would say these things to protect OSU and their staff over her own daughter. But you go ahead and ignore that. It seems you have a narrative to follow no matter what facts come to light.

Yes, but you both said Zach never denied the texts, but you were both incorrect. Who is right? I don't know. Pretty much a he said/she said, just like this whole case.

As for firing Smith...who even said it was Urban's decision to fire Smith? As for the reason...in this country, even the allegation of DV means you lose your job now. Them's the rules now.

This is exactly why I haven't commented on the topic other than the foolish little quips I've made in here. Waiting for the investigation to finish.

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”


- Mark Twain

Who is a person who has been accused of domestic violence, fired, and then proven innocent? I legitimately can't think of one.



I did say that. I said this:

"If these [texts] were made up we would have known hours after the report came out."

That's pretty much where I'm at. It's sickening though to see someone try to tar and feather a man when there's certainly two obvious sides to this story.

I don't have a preconceived notion at this time but I'm certainly not ready to see anyone subjected to a public lynching in a case where there's legitimate question marks surrounding it.

He didn't deny the text message.

Dan Murphy
@DanMurphyESPN
Asked Zach Smith about this just now. He said he does not recall any altercation between him and Courtney Smith in Punta Cana. He said he had not seen the published image of the text but did not believe it was credible.

He said he didn't recall an altercation between him and Courtney in Punta Cana. He said he has not seen the image of the text. At no point was he asked if he texted her that. Nor did he say that there was or wasn't an altercation, just that he did not recall one. That was from 8 days ago. Since then, Zach Smith has not followed up at all on this. That's bizarre. If I were falsely accused, I would want people to know it. Denying a false image, in which there is an apology where I admit culpability, would be the first thing that I would do.

So he didn't see the texts to know if he sent them or not. Got it.

Please tell me how I am supposed to read this. CHS says Zach never questioned the texts. You reply "Right." In agreement.

Is there some hidden context there?

You do know what "does not believe they are credible" means, right?

You’re right.

So? Was her Mom there? No offense, but family testimony ranks really low for me on the trustworthyness. Everyone has family drama and everyone has different relationships. If her Mom or Zach's Mom spoke up on Zach's abuse, I wouldn't care either. Unless, of course, they were a witness to it. Then I would value their opinion. Character witnesses are character witnesses. You never know their biases.

I once dated a very nice girl and cheated on her one weekend. Unfortunately her cousin's weeding was the weekend after that and we were obliged to go together since we RSVP'd and all. So you know how those situations go, you spend all week apologizing, asking for forgiveness, second chances, while pinning your fate to the trip. You know, we've all been there. Anyway, we go to the wedding and I know her family, so we're all cutting it up like usual, having a grand time. My girlfriend, of course, is not having any of it, but plays the role adequately enough for a wedding. However, her Mom tries to give me a pep talk before the wedding began. Telling me to be patient with her, give her time and whatnot. Obviously, I felt it as odd, because she did nothing wrong and I have no right to ask her for anything, but her mom finished our talk and the wedding began. During the Reception, I heard more of the same from her brother and cousins. It was so odd, how the people who were supposedly on someone's side could be standing in direct opposition of them. Then I realized that maybe they just had different expectations and aspirations for her, and that I was possibly a gateway for her to attain that. Obviously, she did a good thing and dumped me the following week. However, her family members still like my instagram posts to this day. That was 6 years ago. Anyway, The moral of the story is that families can be weird, especially in respect to relationships.

He didn't see the image. Why wasn't he asked if he texted Courtney that? This is the problem with journalism. They don't want to ask the real questions.

This is a good question, probably one best posed to Zach's lawyer.

You said Zach never questioned the texts, using it as justification for believing they are valid. I showed proof that Zach said he does not believe they are credible; literally the definition of questioning.

I never said the text are real or fake. Just that they have been questioned by Zach, and the picture of them contains no verifiable timestamp or phone number. Also, messages in the conversation could have been deleted, entirely changing the context.

This is a he said/she said case. I will wait to hear from the police as to why he was never charged.

And if her mom believes she was abused, I don't see why she would ever take Zach's side. But I agree, there could be other family issues at play.

Yeah, a mom doesn't know if her child is a compulsive liar or has a hidden agenda. What was I thinking? lmao

Pit............come on. Be reasonable.

CHS and cfrs [two posters on a Browns message board] know way more about Zach and Courtney's relationship than the two mothers of that couple.

We had guests over today at the pool. We started talking about the OSU case and I related some of the thoughts of CHS and cfrs and all were appalled at how biased and ugly those two were.

Oh, btw............they are not Ohio State fans. They root for either Clemson or S. Carolina.

I charge extra for dinner and show.