DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon ... 3rd time.....the charm?

True!

It's not an inaccurate statement, though.

Nevah! NEVAH!!!

I will never give into the temptation to jump back on the Josh Gordon Drama Train. I couldn't if I wanted to anyway. I jumped off so long ago, the train is too far down the tracks for me to ever catch up.

Maybe I could jump the Dez Bryant Drama Train?

Agreed, but as other posters have noted, there is more than that going on here. (Your comment, Versatile, actually got me into less a mocking mindset with respect to Josh and more an empathetic frame of mind.)

Folks have noted that some of Gordon's behavior is odd at best, kooky at worst. They have a point.

But it might be worse than that. I wonder if Josh has a real friend or mentor, someone wise and steady who has his back and looks out for Josh's true best interests.

I think his agent is a opportunistic, manipulative sleaze based upon his behavior in those interviews. A proper agent, lawyer, and/or financial adviser would have helped him clear up this child support issue, not drag it out. His professional people should tell him how bad these workout videos make him look right now. Clearly, Josh has no true friend among the business professionals in his life - they aren't even meeting their fiduciary duty they have to Josh.

But Josh doesn't seem to have a solid personal friend or mentor either. From his interviews, there probably isn't anybody from his youth growing up who would be a positive influence. That leaves somebody from the Cleveland Browns.

The Browns have stated multiple times that they are not in contact with Josh during his healing recovery time. Why? If the Browns are being so damn supportive of Josh, then why isn't somebody on the Browns staff keeping in touch with Josh and providing support, encouragement, and advice? Josh was in the building for a time last season. Did he not develop some degree of rapport with a coach, trainer, or somebody on staff? If there is such a person, why isn't that person frequently in touch with Josh, helping him out? Where is the team family in all this?

The worst thing about all of this, beyond the drug addition or the anxiety or the nuttiness, is that Josh might be a very lonely man. A lonely man in a bad space.

The way I read the $6,000+ per month child support was that it was it started August 2018. That wasn't the amount for 2015/2016 when he banished from the league.

Also keep in mind that he did play last season. At 5/17 of a ~$1.07 million salary, that is still more than $300,000 last year just from game checks.

How do you know there isn't? Fact ...Josh and Hue have each others #'s and are talking. Probably some Brown's players as well. It's not like Josh is on an island by himself.

I don't know, not for sure.

We all saw on Hard Knocks when Hue get a text message from Josh about his new cell phone number and offering thanks for Hue's support. But texting a brief message like that is not a real conversation.

Dorsey and Hue have stated publicly to the media on multiple occasions that they are not in contact with Gordon out of respect for his healing process.

That's all I've got, or any of us has got. Two leaders of the Browns organization keep saying that they are keeping a distance from Josh Gordon until he returns.

Some players have mentioned getting text messages or emojis from Josh on some social media platform or another. That's great, but it's not real conversation.

It could well be that there are Browns players or coaches or staff who are in direct, meaningful contact with Josh Gordon. If so, nobody is publicly stating this is so. Any belief that the Browns are in touch with Josh and helping out is therefore speculative.

In contrast, the only public declarations we have are about distance kept out of respect for healing process or brief and pro forma social media messages.

Here's the funny part. If we were told a player from any other team had a three year old child he'd never paid a dime of child support for, fans on this board would call them a scum bag in a heartbeat. But not poor Josh.

I've never seen a fan base make more excuses for a pretty much "non-player" who we have just held the rights to for years now, than this. I just wonder how much more BS it will take until they open their eyes?

Injuries happen. They're an unfortunate part of the game.

Not showing up for other reasons-- suspended for drug use, wanting to avoid training camp to get a new contract, or whatever the case may be, is different. You have to look at the overall culture of the team. It sets a horrible precedent that a player gets chance after chance, year after year, and hasn't actually delivered in five years.

These are real people on the team, with real emotions and expectations. It's not like we're building a Madden team where we can just check off tall, fast, low salary and he's automatically a big gain for the team just on those facts alone. Remember the old Belichick adage: building a team, not just collecting talent

Aaig, my comment was dripping w/sarcasm.

Posts were deleted in that conversation. Here is a more tame response.

What is wrong w/fans of a team cheering for a player who is performing on the field? What's wrong w/being critical of a person who is displaying poor character traits? I do not agree w/excusing away poor behavior just because a guy is a good player. Josh Gordon has had more excuses made for him than any other player in Brown's history.

I get that. It's just that, for some reason, your comment prompted me to stop howling and ranting about Gordon's deplorable behavior for a moment, and wonder what is going on in his head and why.

Don't worry, I didn't hop back on the Josh Gordon Drama Train. I know where that sad story is headed...

Agreed. I always felt that we should try to help Josh not only because he is a human being that needed help but also because he had a lot of talent. But now it's getting old and I'm starting to feel strongly that we should move on from him and let the younger guys play and hopefully step up. I've had it with all the drama.

And children need to eat, have a roof over their head and have clothes.

They will.

At $6000 a month for a guy who hasn't really made any money in 2 years, he has to be getting low on funds.

I think Josh was making 800K per year. Roughly 66,000 per month if annualized. After taxes, he was probably taking home around $40,000 per month, so $6000 per month support isn't out of line by any stretch.

I am sure he has spent a lot of his money on stuff. He doesn't strike me as the kind who invests and plans for the future up to this point, so he may be having a hard time meeting the demands. He probably has multiple sources asking for payment.


We have all been there, that causes stress. In Josh's case, that makes him want to burn a torpedo. That causes stress because he knows that his only way out is to not do so, thus he is in Gator Country trying to cope.

The guy has lot's of talent, but he is pretty simple minded.


I hope he works it out.

Dude is in Florida living the life. I don't want to hear how he doesn't have the money to pay. Also, shouldn't he be spending time w/his children even if he doesn't have a ton of money.

I am so sick of all the excuses made for this scum bag. I hope he returns and plays great. But, it's only because I want the Browns to be good. I think he's scum.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Josh Gordon will be coming back, stronger than you can believe. I’m talking week 1. If I’m wrong about this one, I’ll man up, but I’ve been right to this point.

Don’t worry about Josh Gordon lighting up the scoreboard, that’s coming. I’d be more worried about special teams.

okay Buck, I'll hold you to it

I wasn't really sticking up for him. Just trying to understand his mental state. I think the guy has a hard time understanding the realities of being adult. I also added he is a pretty simple minded person. In other words, Josh isn't a smart person.

No doubt I agree, it goes against everything I stand for to not keep your children close. Unfortunately, there is a group who skip and run.

No one ever pays for stuff on Credit

Why would anyone give Gordon a loan?

For the same reason people give Donald Trump loans. For more money.

Broke: We need to cut Josh Gordon because he hasn't paid his child support.
Toke: I'm going to give all my money to a failson who robs truckers for a living.

I guess none of us should be expected to do the right thing since some people do the wrong thing.

Gordon has worked roughly 20% of his games over the past 4 years, and has received less than 20% of his salary, because of suspensions and fines.

He is such a bad risk that his former agent refused to advance him any money.

If Gordon has proved one thing over the past 4 years, it's that he is incredibly irresponsible. I cannot imagine that banks and loan companies were lining up to loan him money, especially when there is more reason t believe that he'll never play again, than there is that he will. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but in some cases it is a pretty good indicator.

I think the Browns should either focus on winning games or being a morality police force. Clearly trying to play both sides is not paying off.

Donald Trump has lost more money than he's made, but Banks would still line up to give him loans. Did the recession not teach you how willy nilly financial institutions are?

Also there are plenty of people in America who can give people loans over $100k to 1 million dollars. You don't need to find a financial institution to loan you money in this country. How much does it cost to pay an athlete to stay in great shape? I'm guessing it costs around 80k to 120k. Probably less considering he spent the off-season with Greg Little.

Also, if you're using part performance as an indicator for future performance, then you'd know he's either going to be a RFA pro bowl WR or not playing in the NFL. That sounds like a good low risk high reward opportunity.

Maybe some people that expect accountability from Gordon are thinking about the better good of the team and winning games.

I believe that and hear them. But maybe asking for accountability from the owner of the team would be a better start.

https://twitter.com/JOSH_GORDONXII/status/1030848608306962435

Actually he settled with those companies and paid them. That's the same type of actions we expect from Josh. Once you screw up, fix it.

welcome back

Oh Yeah, Baby!

Diam? Oh Diaaammmmm?

Well he's actually returning.

Welcome back Josh! I was wrong about you this instance. I hope you're in a good state now because, as always, we need you.