DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon ... 3rd time.....the charm?

He ran a rebate scheme for 6 years, knew about it (although he wasn't prosecuted, you can hear him asking if their rebate deal is like another diesel scam), then his office was raided by the FBI and IRS in. He, as the active CEO, said they did nothing wrong. His brother Bill was attacked for it in his 2010 governor campaign. It wasn't a "once he screwed up he fixed it". It was a "once he got caught, he started to fix it."

Haslam is scum of the Earth and so is Josh. But at least Josh wins us football games. Haslam has made an annual routine of taking the Browns behind the shed and putting them out of their misery.

Haslam actually paid them back. Now let's see Josh lives up to his mistakes and improve moving forward. That would be great.

Gotta believe the DEZ visit lit a fire under him..

Alright. You gave Haslam 6 8 years to correct his mistake, what's your time table with Josh?

Welcome back, Josh!

Welcome back brother

https://twitter.com/Kirko58/status/1030851713043980288

As far as Haslam goes.. Name ANYONE with a billion dollars that doesn't look like a thief at some point.. Go look the people that built this country, they killed thousands of workers in steel mills and car factories. Mines, railroads,tunnels. They did it with one goal in mind. MONEY... Look up how many lawsuits Bill Gates has personally paid off. and I don't mean cause your Windows System crashed. U cheat, u get caught and u pay. He paid like most the other Billionaires pay. Not a lot of saints in the business world.

What's our Budget?

We're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat!

Haaaaaaaaaaa!

In case you've lost track he was drafted in 2012. So this would be year six.

let's hope he can get a few snaps next week ... get him prepared to play a bit in week 1

Josh Gordon led the NFL in receiving yards in 2013 with 1,646 (18.9 yards per catch) despite being suspended for two games and catching passes from Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer. Such a unique talent.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1030858295148523521

I was talking more about the people who think we should cut Josh Gordon because he didn't pay his child support. If you forgot my original post here it is:

Broke: We need to cut Josh Gordon because he hasn't paid his child support.

Either way, I'm glad you decided to give Josh 2 more years

Sounds like a bum. We should trade him to Pittsburgh for a ham sandwich. I bet we'll win that deal

I didn't say we should cut him. A lot of guys are dead beat dads. I hope the court docks his checks heavily since it seems he can't step up though.

Well, I'm not sure what we disagree on.

Yet you continue to reply to my posts. lol

Since #Brown WR Josh Gordon is still in jointly negotiated substance abuse program, he’s subject to certain conditions. Per @NFLprguy: “This part of the process. Can attend meetings, do conditioning. Can go to practice but not participate. No timetable on next step.”

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1030860966756536320

When you're reinstated from banishment, you go back into Stage 3 of the program. Must adhere to treatment program, meet clinical requirements, tested up to 10 times a month, etc. Medical director -- jointly selected by NFL and NFLPA -- oversees this.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1030863439131013121

so he's still not out of the clear

Why?

His reinstatement was last year.

This is rather odd...


Why does Josh Gordon need permission from the NFL League Office to play football games? If there was no substance abuse violation, then there should be zero need for permission from the NFL's substance abuse program to return to play football.

If an NFL player takes three weeks off from training camp to deal with some big family crisis, he doesn't need permission from the NFL to play in games afterwards. So if Josh was telling the truth about taking time off to deal with a personal crisis, then he shouldn't need the NFL's permission to play games again.

Something about this whole situation is screwy. To my mind, all explanations are back on the table.

Maybe Josh Gordon relapsed and starting taking drugs again, did a quick rehab, and will be quickly re-admitted to the NFL in accordance with new policies that were never announced.

Maybe Josh Gordon was engaging in some stupid, bizarro holdout to squeeze a big new contract out of the Browns, foolishly thinking that he actually had leverage over them. The Browns brought in Dez Bryant and used him as a counter threat, and the next day Josh Gordon sulks back into camp.

Maybe Josh Gordon just wanted to take a little vacay under the Florida sun and sip some fruity tropical drinks with little paper umbrellas and a curly-cue straw.

What a heaping, stinking, festering pile of bovine scatology this all is.

He's in stage 3 ... he basically is asking for re-instatement again, from what I gather

I ain't buying that.

I think Pellisaro or whatever his name is has no clue what he's talking about.

NFL clearly has a hand in Josh Gordon’s timetable for return
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2018, 1:41 PM EDT

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ble-for-return/

Throughout the unexpected absence of receiver Josh Gordon from Browns training camp, a persistent, nagging sense has lingering that the move was not entirely voluntary, and that the league had some sort of role in the departure and/or the return. Through it all, however, reporters have parroted without much scrutiny the notion that this process is controlled solely by a “proactive” Gordon, who simply decided on the eve of training camp that he needed to address issues related to his overall health.

But the sense still lingers that the league has had a hand in this situation, despite the apparent effort to create the impression that the league has nothing to do with it. Consider this tweet from Tom Pelissero of NFL Media regarding the terms of Gordon’s return to the Browns: “Since . . . WR Josh Gordon is still in jointly negotiated substance abuse program, he’s subject to certain conditions. Per [league spokesman Brian McCarthy]: ‘This part of the process. Can attend meetings, do conditioning. Can go to practice but not participate. No timetable on next step.'”

However this one is characterized, it’s clear that Gordon’s return and the terms of his return are controlled by the league. It’s also clear that Gordon’s ability to practice and to play will be subject to league approval.

Which necessarily means that something likely happened within the confines of Gordon’s treatment plan to trigger the absence in the first place. Otherwise, he would be instantly reinstated with no restrictions of any kind.

So why is the league tiptoeing around this one? As suggested in the early days of Gordon’s unplanned sabbatical, the Enforcer may be (wisely) realizing that overly aggressive application of the substance-abuse policy helps no one. So with Gordon in Stage 3 of the program and with any false move resulting by rule in a minimum banishment of at least another full year, the league apparently opted not to run Gordon out of the sport but to work with him.

well, it appears the NFL and Josh's mentors have the final say

GratefulDawg - good catch on that Florio article.

Now it makes more sense. Gordon blazed up, or shot up, or snorted up again and got busted in a drug test. The NFL ran him through rehab quickly and looks to get him back out of the field soonish. All this is in keeping with new drug policies that the NFL neglected to announce or make clear to anybody. Best of all, the NFL can still capriciously and arbitrarily suspend players for a year or for life. I bet Roger Goodell loves that part.

And Josh Gordon is still a failed drug addict. Great, just great.

Weed is mostly legal in Ohio now, isn't it? Why not just let Josh blaze up on the sidelines after pre-game warmups and be done with this entire farce?

Corporations do not have to respect state law when federal law supersedes it. They have players in many states where weed is still illegal. When making a collective bargaining agreement for all players, you must consider law on a national scale, not state by state.

Corporations also do not have to respect state or federal law depending on their agreement. There are many companies that ban their employees from consuming tobacco, despite its legalities.

True. Corporations get to have their cake and eat it too.

Why should the NFL be so serious?

The NFL has clearly changed its drug policies, arbitrarily and in secret. Why would you think the NFL would be serious about consistently applying Federal or state laws? They can't even apply their own written policies with consistency.

NFL policy is whatever the frack Roger Goodell happens to feel it is on any particular day.

That's why everyone should try to be one.

He did not fail another test as much as you wish he did. You are making things up.Why do you even follow this team?

I've made this as plain as can be made. MANY of the states that teams are located in still have laws against weed. Contracts are based on the federal law, not state to state. There is a collective bargaining agreement which the players and owners agree on. That's why.

OK, you win. Josh Gordon did not fail another drug test.

Now, please give me a reasonable and plausible explanation why he can not play in NFL football games until the NFL's substance abuse program reinstates him.

P.S. It is entirely possible to be a fan of a sports team, and yet be quite critical of how the team is run and critical of the behavior of some of its players. I refuse to be a mindless fanboi who drinks brown and orange Kool-Aid.

Browns place WR Josh Gordon on active/non-football injury list and sign TE Stephen Baggett

The Cleveland Browns have placed WR Josh Gordon on the active/non-football injury list and signed TE Stephen Baggett. To make room on the roster, the team has waived TE Julian Allen (abdomen) with an injury designation and DB Micah Hannemann.

Baggett, 6-5, 245 pounds, originally signed with the New York Giants as an undrafted free agent in May. He played collegiately at East Carolina for four years, registering 18 career receptions for 193 yards and a touchdown. He’s a native of Beaufort, S.C.

Allen signed with the Browns after he participated in team’s rookie minicamp on a tryout basis in the spring. He totaled 22 catches for 298 yards in two seasons at Southern Mississippi. He’s a native of Sewell, N.J.

Hannemann signed with the Browns as an undrafted free agent following this year’s NFL Draft. He played 44 career games at BYU and accrued 123 tackles, 12 pass breakups, four interceptions and one sack.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bro...medium=referral

Browns coach Hue Jackson said he had a chance to sit down and talk with Josh Gordon today, think he's in a good place, he understands he has to earn right to get back out there, he doesn't walk back out there as our starting X receiver

https://twitter.com/ByNateUlrich/status/1030893244354387968

Amazing what can be learned if u just want to. ANY PLAYER on a Did Not report list goes throught the same process as the Browns stated below.

From the Browns website "While Gordon is on the “did not report” list, he won’t count toward the 90-man roster. If he were on the non-football illness list, Gordon would consume a roster spot.

Also, it’s possible the Browns couldn’t have placed Gordon on the non-football illness list if they wanted to, since he would have had to show up and fail a physical before being placed on active/NFI. Literally, he did not report for camp. So he’s on the “did not report” list.

Per a league source, Gordon’s return to the active roster won’t be automatic. He’ll have to make a written request for reinstatement to the Browns, and the Commissioner will have to approve it.

195 replies, nearly 4 full pages, and I'm still looking for "pure football" in this thread. I'll give it a try ... let's assume Gordon is on the field for the opener vs Pitts. How much more difficult does that make it for the Steelers' D-Coord to attack the Browns? Who benefits most in our offense from Gordon's return? My first thought would be the running game benefits by not allowing them to load up the box. Josh takes the top off a defense - they have to respect the deep pass. It also opens things up for Landry and Njoku by softening up the short-middle of the field, and gives them better matchups, because of the attention that must be paid to Gordon by their best CB and the FS. Last, I think it helps open up the entire offense for Tyrod Taylor (and Mayfield), giving them more, better options with bigger windows to throw into. Of course I know that assuming Gordon will play, and be effective in 3 weeks against the Steelers may be a reach, but pretend for a minute that this isn't Cleveland and that things go well for change. What could you see being the on-the-field results of Gordon's successful return?