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Mayfield of course! Discuss.

Mayfield.

Mayfield is gonna be playing against more 1's and mostly 2's.

Allen will mostly likely still come out playing with and against the 3's and 4's.

and whats sad is that last week, baker looked worlds better playing against the 2's, while Allen looked ok against the 3's and 4's.

I would hope Mayfield. If he doesn't then we would be in trouble.
Allen is a ways away IMO ... but does have talent

Allen reminds me alot of Kizer. He will throw a pass that makes you go wow, then miss wide open recievers. And that 4th and 3 play was page a out of Weeden's book.

Mayfield.

Allen is not good and was my draft day nightmare.

Hoping mayfield... Allen looked rough in his first game...

Taylor

Yeah, that's the important one. He's our game day starter and we have the luxury of that for our rookie QB. They have who? AJ McCarron? And I heard he injured his leg or something today.

I like our situation more and Allen will be facing our one defense. Myles Garrett. Have fun with that.

I think I saw both McCarron and Peterman are hurt at the moment? If that's true, Allen would start.

I still think its Mayfield because Allen cannot play.

I didn't hear that both were injured?

All I know is that if McCarron can't beat out 5pick-Peterson and Josh Allen v0.0, we really dodged a bullet with that failed trade. Whoever's "fault" that was deserves a big hug.

I care nothing about Allen. If he's lights out, cool. My concern would be more about our defense.

My focus is and always be on the Browns, and its players.

I think as the preseason moves along we will see more flaws from both. I can't see the writing on the wall with Allen. All jokes aside he does look a lot like Weeden looked at this point of their careers. One read QB who is going to hold the ball, take a lot of hits/sacks and turn it over. They would do well to find a scenario where he sits as long as possible.


Hard to tell on Mayfield, he did so many good things. His pocket presence was outstanding, if I had to guess where he will start breaking down that’s where it will be…..when the all-pros are on the field my guess is some of those “Step up and throws” will turn into runs. He also needs time.

Only worried about Mayfield. EESPN and company only care about QBs taken after him in the draft. Mancrush is for Darnold. The "battle" that doesn't exist rages on in their broadcasts.
TT. Say it with me.

BM may have quite a game.

Mayfield.

Forget this.

Mayfield.

Somebody calm me down. I thought Josh Allen looked like the next Ben R and Baker looked small. Allen showed mobility and great arm strength while Baker looked, well, small. I have no clue how or why John Dorsey picked this kid #1 overall- it seems like his ceiling is that of Brady Quinn or Tyron Taylor. Meanwhile, it looks like Buffalo got the guy we should have taken. Okay there it is my .02 now, somebody please calm me down.

You have made that conclusion after just two preseason games? There is a reason Baker won the Heisman. I'm not saying all Heisman winners are successful in the NFL but you can already see Mayfield is a playmaker and future star. He has just as much mobility and arm strength as Allen. You really need to get over the size thing and calm down.

.. " You really need to get over the size thing and calm down.. "

I have used that line several times in my life ! lol

Both young men are going to be winning NFL QB's .. BM is ours and I am excited about his and our future . Truth in Advertising - Allen was my pick in the Draft .. This will be a discussion three or four years from now .

4 YPA should calm u down.

For awhile anyways. Lol

I only watched till half time, but I thought Josh played well against our second unit, which means he'd be destroyed by an average starting unit.

We have to keep in mind Mayfield had no one in the game to help him, I think the announcer said there wasa one starter playing on offense. That being said I was inspired that even after struggling his first couple of series he was able to elevate his team and get some scores. He is a guy that rises to the occasion and not crumble in the face of adversity. He seams to get stronger as the game goes on. I will also say this man has ice water in his viens when it comes to standing in the pocket. The subtle moves he makes in the pocket to stay just out of the grasp of pass rushers without flinching amazes me. Pressure seems to have no affect on this guy. You need talent to play the game but I think mental toughness is at the top of the list to succeed and I like what I see from Baker.

Allen played well last night, I'll give him that much.

Allen would have been toast if you replace Orchard with Garrett.

I'm not sure what Mayfield would have looked like against 1st team comp. I'm good with Tyrod right now, though.

I thought Allen looked good last night.

I thought Baker looked just okay ... he was better the first game.

Not saying that means anything, but just my observation.

Agreed. But I do think Allen will end up being the better NFL QB. Time will tell.

As single preseason game is no more than a snapshot, not a film. Baker looked very good last week and not as sharp this week. That's the life of a rookie in his first experiences coming to the NFL.

To actually make much out of that is much ado about nothing.

Both QB's were playing with back ups. So that kind of cancels itself out in regards to both QB's and Baker played with the same group of players last week. I'm not suggesting he looked bad at all. But I didn't see the sharpness that I saw last week.

I think there's good reason for that though. One is that all rookies have growing pains. Baker will be no different. Secondly I believe that most everyone would say that the Giants secondary is nowhere near as good as the Bills. Even in regards to depth they've been building that secondary for some time.

That's no knock on Baker. Actually I think facing better D's will only help him to grow and learn to overcome better competition quicker than playing against lesser D's.

They both looked as advertised. Allen has a gun for an arm, and a repaired clavicle. It looks like they cleaned up his footwork and his accuracy is improving.

Mayfield is smaller, but has more mobility, and has the one thing that a QB has to have. Accuracy... The arms wow people, but accuracy wins games.

Allaen did still have some starters playing on the line. I noticed it right away. But he did look decent and not the inaccurate guy most thought he would be. Although, I heard his first game he was very inaccurate. Plus most of his passes last night were short ones.

Absolutly hated the time he holds to the ball... that will not do in the NFL.

% completion is on the 50%... don't like it.

Don't like his arm..

Still can't see why we was #1.... specially looking at Rosen play

Lol complaining about his completion % in the preseason? Sounds like you looked at stats but didn't actually watch the game.

We made him the numer 1 pick, because of that, not his arm, not his mobility. Efficiency, moving the chains, etc.

I want to see him show why we drafted him. For sure we could see why the bills drafted Allen...


He can throw into big windows, but anyone at this level can do it. He can scramble against #2 defenses...

Staring at receivers and holding to the ball, its not something I expected to see with a #1 pick in the draft.

Watching both play yesterday I thought Allen looked like the better of the 2 QB's.

Yeah, I just talk to annoy you. All you seem to know how to do anymore is pick fights with anyone who sees anything different than you. Kick rocks tab.

Several people after me said a lot worse things about Mayfield than I did and you said nothing to them. I'm sick of your BS.

The fact is, running the ball so much should have made the rare passes easier, not harder. Mayfield is going to be fine. But when you're a rookie, it takes some time to adjust to things. Once again, the Bills have a much better D than the Giants. It was shown.