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#1490355 08/18/18 09:10 PM
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I was listening to a Kendrick's interview and he was talking about Avery.

He loved his ability and hustle.

He had a great reputation in college. Heads up player.

By all accounts he is making his mark with his teammates and coaching staff.

Right now the Browns linebackers are a solid group with good depth.

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Notice here the Genard Avery effort. Walls off #3 beautifully. Drops under his route, then sprints across field to impact AJ McCarron’s scramble on third down. Excellent stuff.

https://twitter.com/BrownsFilmBDN/status/1030774567604838400

Another flash play from Genard Avery on the #Browns next defensive series. Take a look at him again in the "JOKER" package displacing the Bills RT to redirect McCory and then shedding to make the play. Exciting stuff from the rookie.

https://twitter.com/BrownsFilmBDN/status/1030788495969853441


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Scott Bischoff’s RSP Film Room LB Genard Avery (Browns): Fists That Go Boom

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/08/07/sc...s-that-go-boom/

Rookie Scouting Portfolio contributor Scott Bischoff profiles the striking power of Cleveland Browns pick Genard Avery and illustrates how those skills compare to veteran pass rusher Elvis Dumervil.

Former Memphis linebacker Genard Avery enters the NFL as a very underrated pass rusher because he makes plays despite not having the stature that the NFL demands from the position.

Although teams covet size and length that Avery lacks, he was an effective as a pass rusher in 2017 – earning 8.5 sacks and 22 tackles for loss. There’s a strong chance that he’ll outplay his fifth-round status due in part to one specific trait that sets him apart from many rush linebackers: Outrageously heavy hands that jolt offensive linemen off balance.

Getting a lineman off balance allows Avery to run his feet through contact and it reduces the area he needs to cover to reach the quarterback. These fists of dynamite lead to more pressures and sacks.

Other players have had tremendous success coming out of nowhere to become excellent pass rushers in the NFL for similar reasons. One of those players is Elvis Dumervil, and when we compare him to Avery, they are remarkably similar in size. Avery was 6’1″ and 248 pounds at the Combine while Dumervil was listed at 5’11” and 250 pounds for the 49ers last year.

Here are a pair of videos of Dumervil running through contact to create space for himself and we’ll see the specific things he does well with leverage, power, and with his heavy and powerful hands. This has tremendous importance when playing in tight quarters.

Dumervil is lined up outside the right tackle and even though the tackle is in a good position, Dumervil throws his hands and jolts the tackle off balance for a split second. That is enough time for Dumervil to run through the tackle and pressure the quarterback. Pay particular attention to his hand usage and how it keeps him free to run a very sharp angle to attack the quarterback.

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/08/07/sc...s-that-go-boom/


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I cannot vouch for Matt Waldman enough. He's a great scout and a good writer.

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Browns Film Breakdowns are done by Jake Burns. I've been enjoying his work also.

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my favorite draft pick


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Just to let everyone know, as I've made the same mistake several times as well, it's Genard Avery, not Gerard Avery.

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Like I said elsewhere, he's my sleeper pick. The more he develops, the more he'll play.

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Anyone else think it's possible that one of the four linebackers (Schobert, Kirksey, Collins, and Kendricks) are no longer on the roster week one in order to get Avery on the field more?

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If by '1 of the 4' you specifically mean, jaimie collins then yes.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
If by '1 of the 4' you specifically mean, jaimie collins then yes.
yes, collins is a cut candidate IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I dunno if he is, or not.

I think that Williams loves having excellent rotations at all 3 levels of the defense, and Collins can not only play OLB, but also DE. I think he stays.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Anyone else think it's possible that one of the four linebackers (Schobert, Kirksey, Collins, and Kendricks) are no longer on the roster week one in order to get Avery on the field more?
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Yeah, Jamie Collins was playing with the #2s the most. My understanding is when he came back, he's had a solid camp. Blake (our LB coach/son of Gregg our D coordinator) has ranted and raved about him, even not when asked about Jamie.

IDK but I feel like we're way too overstacked and Jamie is the most expensive out of the group so yes, I believe he may be on the trading block. I say keep them all and have a group you can rotate and play at a high level.

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Probably Collins.

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He is a guy I'm definitely rooting for.

Really like what I'm seeing from him. Looks like a better version of James Harrison.


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I also like the effort with which he plays ... that's an x factor


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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No I don't believe that will happen.

Williams likes to use different packages to take advantage of player strengths.

Avery will play in pass rush situations and over time will earn more time.

We have a very good linebacking corps.

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Not this year, no. Collins would count as 14.5 million in dead cap space and that would likely be too embarrassing to the club even though we have the room.

But they would save 9.25 million against the cap next year (dead cap drops to 2.5 million).


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Not this year, no. Collins would count as 14.5 million in dead cap space and that would likely be too embarrassing to the club even though we have the room.

But they would save 9.25 million against the cap next year (dead cap drops to 2.5 million).



Doesn't trading him cut that significantly tho? Can get rid of him for a 7th rounder like Coleman probably. (I don't want to, just saying probably possible)

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With all of the unknowns going on with the interior DL right now does it make sense to consider cutting Collins? Williams would seem to have a better opportunity to scheme up some temporary fix for that problem with Collins on the roster. Collins does occasionally move down to the edge in some sub packages. Having that resource allows Williams to move other pieces around the interior AND still get really good LB play from other guys.

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He's the highest paid non-pass-rushing linebacker (3-4 OLB) in the league. Though a heck of a player, he's coming back from injury, as well.

But, since he can't be traded, we might as well kick the tires. One bad year doesn't spoil the talent.


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Originally Posted By: RedBaron
He's the highest paid non-pass-rushing linebacker (3-4 OLB) in the league. Though a heck of a player, he's coming back from injury, as well.

But, since he can't be traded, we might as well kick the tires. One bad year doesn't spoil the talent.



Does he have a no-trade clause or just can't be traded due to cap hit?

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Originally Posted By: RedBaron
He's the highest paid non-pass-rushing linebacker (3-4 OLB) in the league. Though a heck of a player, he's coming back from injury, as well.

But, since he can't be traded, we might as well kick the tires. One bad year doesn't spoil the talent.

is he a heck of a player though?


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Not this year, no. Collins would count as 14.5 million in dead cap space and that would likely be too embarrassing to the club even though we have the room.

But they would save 9.25 million against the cap next year (dead cap drops to 2.5 million).



Doesn't trading him cut that significantly tho? Can get rid of him for a 7th rounder like Coleman probably. (I don't want to, just saying probably possible)
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He's the highest paid non-pass-rushing linebacker (3-4 OLB) in the league. Though a heck of a player, he's coming back from injury, as well.

But, since he can't be traded, we might as well kick the tires. One bad year doesn't spoil the talent.



Does he have a no-trade clause or just can't be traded due to cap hit?


I'd like to hear the answer on both of those. I thought when you trade someone, the other team absorbs it all? Also, why wouldn't we be able to trade him (and no, I'm not saying to do it, just wondering why?)

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Originally Posted By: bonefish

No I don't believe that will happen.

Williams likes to use different packages to take advantage of player strengths.

Avery will play in pass rush situations and over time will earn more time.

We have a very good linebacking corps.


The fact dawgs are talking about this is exactly why the isle of Optimism is not PACKED ...

We have Kendricks, Shobert, Collins and Kirksey ... then we have a rookie whose nfl experience consists of two pre-season games ..

And these guys want to trade/cut one of them ... rofl..

Why ... can we at least wait til the rookie has proven it an ACTUAL NFL game ...

And with Collins ... he is a PHYSICAL FREAK with what appears to be a 10 cent head ... teams dont generally give up on PHYSICAL FREAKS ...

HE’S GOING NO WHERE ... neither are any of the others ..

That’s be an OLD BROWNS MOVE ... it would be dumb as hell ... this is the new browns ... we may still do dumb stuff ... just NOT THAT DUMB ..

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Originally Posted By: Dawg_LB
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Not this year, no. Collins would count as 14.5 million in dead cap space and that would likely be too embarrassing to the club even though we have the room.

But they would save 9.25 million against the cap next year (dead cap drops to 2.5 million).



Doesn't trading him cut that significantly tho? Can get rid of him for a 7th rounder like Coleman probably. (I don't want to, just saying probably possible)
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He's the highest paid non-pass-rushing linebacker (3-4 OLB) in the league. Though a heck of a player, he's coming back from injury, as well.

But, since he can't be traded, we might as well kick the tires. One bad year doesn't spoil the talent.



Does he have a no-trade clause or just can't be traded due to cap hit?


I'd like to hear the answer on both of those. I thought when you trade someone, the other team absorbs it all? Also, why wouldn't we be able to trade him (and no, I'm not saying to do it, just wondering why?)


Collins does not have a no trade clause. If he was cut he would have $11.9M in dead money for 2018, if traded he would have $1.25M in dead money.

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I don't know if anyone wants to trade Jamie Collins. I just think there might be interest in him from other teams and if given the option between a pick and keeping a young player or keeping Collins (and no pick and young player), then I might take the first option.

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When do we sail?

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
I don't know if anyone wants to trade Jamie Collins. I just think there might be interest in him from other teams and if given the option between a pick and keeping a young player or keeping Collins (and no pick and young player), then I might take the first option.


So your thinking we keep 4 LBers? ... is that the norm? .. i’ve Never paid attention to position splits on the final roster ....

If teams only keep 4 ... then maybe there’s a decision .. if they usually keep 5 ... no clue why any of the 4 non rooks would be gong anywhere and then the rook takes the 5th spot ...

Let me know please ...




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When do we sail?


Ferry takes off from the shores of Lake Erie every other hour on the hour .... departs from the wading pool every 2 hours on the half hour ....

So far theres no need for departure times from the Isle ... NO ONES LEFT YET ... wink ...

C u in a bit ..

Sincerely, Your host on the Isle .. me ... wink ...




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
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I don't know if anyone wants to trade Jamie Collins. I just think there might be interest in him from other teams and if given the option between a pick and keeping a young player or keeping Collins (and no pick and young player), then I might take the first option.


So your thinking we keep 4 LBers? ... is that the norm? .. i’ve Never paid attention to position splits on the final roster ....

If teams only keep 4 ... then maybe there’s a decision .. if they usually keep 5 ... no clue why any of the 4 non rooks would be gong anywhere and then the rook takes the 5th spot ...

Let me know please ...


It fluctuates, but teams usually keep more than four. My only point is that keeping James Burgess and/or Justin Currie might be a good thing because they are on rookie contracts (and we would get salary relief for Collins, plus a pick).

I don't think it will happen, just something to keep in mind as the roster cut comes closer.

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I think we keep more than 4 honestly ... 5-6 is the norm


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Season 1, Episode 7: Genard Avery's Edge Rush Effectiveness

I'm joined by PFF's Brendan Leister to discuss how the Browns used Genard Avery in his preseason debut, and how his edge rushing effectiveness will pay dividends for the Browns 2018 defense.


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This was a good see.

Motor = Avery, neh?

We need this.


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he looks VERY good to me ... really intense


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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he looks VERY good to me ... really intense
not to mention his strong hands and punch


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Ben best pray Mr. Garrett and Mr. Avery don’t show up to his doorstep for “snacks” at the same time ...

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Kid is a draft day steal ... JMHO thumbsup


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