DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon ... 3rd time.....the charm?

Love Carter or hate him, it's hard to deny that he's a player that fought his own demons and came out on top.. He appears to know of what he speaks.

Because he was listed as did not report....so now he has to ask for reinstatement.

please do not make up facts about people failing a drug test.

Chris Carter is likely the most qualified person to talk about Josh Gordon.

Good clip.

Wth r u guys getting this reinstatement stuff from?

He wouldn't be here if he needed reinstated. Stop already.

So when Le'Veon Bell refused to show up for the training camp in 2017 and was listed as "Did Not Report" by the Steelers, did he have to get special permission from the NFL to play games last season?

The answer is no. He showed up the last week of training camp and started the regular season without any need for permission from the NFL.

So why does Josh have to get approval by the NFL to play in games after missing most of training camp, where Le'Veon didn't need such permission after doing the same thing?

Oh, by the way, in 2016 Bell was busted by the NFL for drug abuse and was suspended for three games. That put Bell in the NFL drug treatment program, same as Josh. So don't bother making the argument that Josh and Le'Veon are totally different circumstances. Both have been busted for drug abuse by the NFL and both are in the NFL's drug treatment program.

There are plenty of links in this thread that show he will have to be reinstated to be active. It seems that unless something is revealed to the contrary that it should be nothing more than a formality.

We get this crazy idea that Josh Gordon needs to be reinstated by the NFL before he can play regular season games this year from reading.

Please take a few minutes to read the essence of my post earlier in this thread, Post #1490722, which I repost below for your convenience...

cris carter is very good when talking about JG

First, lev is in a contract dispute and holding out, completely different scenario....I suggest you look into it. He is not contractually obligated to be there, so no you cant use that as a comparison, nice try.

Because he was not obligated to be there, again - please read wth you are spewing.

Contact dispute/obligations vs. did not report designation.

The BROWNS DESIGNATED Gordan as a DNR, so they could free up a roster spot, doing so, the league has to reinstate him. Its not rocket science bro. Look it up.

OMG are you serious right now!!!! Bell didn't show up to camp because he held out cause the franchised him, which is HIS RIGHT UNDER THE TAG as he was not under contract! This is absolutely a different circumstance! You once again, need to read up, son. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Read already. He was placed on the did not report to camp list, which freed up a roster spot. because of this designation, the league as a formality has to reinstate him. Has nothing to do with failing a test. ANYONE saying he failed a test with out a link should be suspended from this board!

NO THERE ISN'T.

McCarthy is the only NFL person that matters. Show me where he uses the word "Reinstatement ".

He DOESN'T.

This is a formality that a few are blowing up.

AIG-HEAD. Keep throwing up useless articles.

Gordon WILL be practicing SOON. And it has NOTHING to do with the NFL reinstatement.

You guys are digging waaay too deep on this.

Some wake me up when he catches a pass ... Thanks

If I remember correctly when Gordon was officially suspended he was allowed zero contact with the team. Why no would he be able to be anywhere near team activities or in contact with Hue if he violated the drug policy. The whole idea that he must be reinstated due to a violation makes no sense.

Hue Jackson said he's "not opposed" to playing Josh Gordon in preseason finale if he's cleared to practice & play first. Timetable for that to happen remains unknown and unclear. Gordon will not play Thursday night v #Eagles

https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/1031656957755752450

We need to get this show on the road, without the drama upswing. Just turning up the volume on this situation. Suit up.

As long as he is ready to go September 9th I will be happy

Both Hue and Dorsey have said it was up to the medical staff to clear him to play. They also said that they would work him back slowly. When they consider him ready to go, all they have to do is ask the NFL to approve it. It is not a reinstatement, it is formality of approval.

I don't agree w/a lot of what you say, but I will say that you are a breath of fresh air on this board. You are going to get torn apart for not liking Josh, but those same posters will love you when you rip Hue. LMAO.

It's all speculation and I don't have any answers, but I think most of you are missing the boat. I truly do not think Josh missed camp due to Hard Knocks. The dude and his advisor sought out multiple news outlets to tell his story, including drive by shootings, getting high before every game, etc and he also posted all of those videos of his workouts in Florida. I doubt he is adverse to attention. LOL

However, I don't think he "failed" a drug test like you claim. I don't think the NFL would be that "nice."

I do wonder if he bailed because he knew he would fail a test and needed to get cleaned. I wonder if the NFL was able to test him while he was missing in action?

I'm leaning that way. I have no proof, but knowing Josh's history, I would not be surprised if he bailed to avoid testing.

The only other thing to consider is he is a Deadbeat Dad and took off because of that.

I know this won't be popular, but man, if you have the ability to impregnate a woman and have a child, you need to do whatever you can to support that child. And running away several states away while refusing to pay child support is not my idea of a good father.

If he bails on testing, it counts as a failed test, so that wouldn't be it. He can be tested randomly up to 10 times per month. If he misses or isn't available for even 1 test, he fails.

Has he been reinstated yet?

No, but he hasn't been suspended either. As far as I know, ANY player placed on the Did Not Report list has to apply for reinstatement.

There have been tons of national reporters saying he didn't fail a test since the news broke that he was taking time away.

I never said he failed a test. Do you know for sure that he didn't skip a test?

I appreciate the lengthy, well-considered response, but your contention, very broadly, is that Gordon has relapsed and the NFL, Browns and Gordon's camp have secretly colluded* to disregard and hide the truth.

That is a conspiracy theory, not matter how eloquently you try to apply a plausible logic to it.

I would argue that plausibility is territory counterproductive to your argument. It is significantly more plausible that the NFL, Browns and Gordon have simply told the truth: Gordon, under the duress of personal matters, took a few weeks away to focus on maintaining his sobriety. The NFL and Browns agreed to this pre-emptive measure, hoping to avoid both the loss of a star player and a possible PR nightmare, and happily agreed to Gordon's request for absence.

That's not only vastly more plausible, but vastly more rational.

Because your theory places the careers of everyone involved in the hands of that secrecy. Loose lips sink ships, and that truth would be an unfathomable disaster for the NFL. The highest levels of league and team secretly colluding to give the Browns both a competitive advantage and the advantage of having a player willingly dismiss NFL policy. I won't take the time to research, but I'm fairly confident that such a secret would not only result in lawsuits but prison time for all involved. If true, and the public learned of this, I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in the Cleveland Browns being withdrawn from the NFL entirely.

You want us to believe the NFL and Browns are willing to take that risk... because they are sympathetic to Josh Gordon's struggles?

No. Just no.

* Zero political undertones, it's just the appropriate word.

A skipped test counts as a failed test. A failed test results in a minimum 1 year suspension for Gordon. So unless the NFL changed its rules and didn't tell anyone, then yes, I know he did not skip a test.

The NFL is usually very generous and looks the other way on these kinds of matters.

I laughed to myself thinking about JG last night

Imagine the best case scenario this year: he plays lights out, has no setbacks and leads our offense to wins ... and then we gotta endure a LONG offseason discussing his contract situation and what to do

Correct you are:

'Josh Gordon ruled out of the dress rehearsal game Thursday night vs. the Eagles'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s...art_river_index

yeah i figured he'd be out this week

Jackson says “soon” when asked for timetable on Gordon to practice. Said receiver has been “outstanding” since return despite not being on field.

https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/1031937386521997313

Outstanding fabulous, super duper terrific... screw the adjectives man, let's just get his butt to work and start to build trust with him. I need a lot of "prove it" before I start opening up trust and faith his way.

Not a Hue hater ... kinda on the fence about him

But, I'm so tired of hearing three phrases:

1. "Having said that ..."
2. "At the same time ..."
3. "At the end of the day ..."

I'm sure those phrases will be less irritating once we start winning.

Do you prefer "we battled", "they battled" and etc lol. I almost wanted to watch a Shurmur coach press conference to hear the infamous words lmfao.

at the end of the day, that's all that counts

Having said that, at the end of the day you'll hear these things. At the same time you may not hear them all at the same time.

It is what it is, guys.

Actually, the Hue-ism that annoys me the most is, "each and every day". Taylor says that a lot too.

Just something to keep in mind...

Just because Gordon missed the first 3 weeks of TC doesn't mean he wasn't around for all of the mini-camps, OTAs and other off-season stuff. He was.

He's not coming back with everything being completely new to him. It's not. He should be able to hit the ground running and pick right back up where he left off.

Yup.
The only things he needs to get up-to-speed on is things installed/added and gone over in meetings during TC.

It'll potentially be a bit, but it shouldn't take long - and Hue doesn't seem to be in a hurry. Give him a few days to absorb it all and hit the ground running after Thursday's game.