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You just continue to lie. Nothing new there.

Usually its a split jury when it takes this long. Although, were a lot of charges to go through - I don't think we will get an answer until at least Monday.

I tend to agree with you. They had 18 charges to review. That takes time.

Judge in Manafort trial says he's been threatened over case

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/...-over-case.html

The judge in ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s fraud trial revealed Friday he has received threats over the case and now travels with U.S. Marshals, as he turned back a media request to release juror information.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III, in rejecting the motion, argued that he's confident the jurors would be threatened as well if their information were to be made public.

“I can tell you there have been [threats]. ... I don't feel right if I release their names,” he said, adding that because of threats against him, “The Marshals go where I go.”

The startling revelation came as the jury deliberated for its second day.

Ellis, a famously prickly judge known for his colorful comments, has attracted considerable attention during the Manafort trial for his frequent sparring with the attorneys -- particularly those on Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team.

Earlier Friday morning, Ellis acknowledged facing pushback about how he’s handled this case. He told attorneys “I’m no stranger to criticism,” but said “this case has brought it to a new level.”

The juror motion itself was filed by multiple news organizations – the Washington Post, New York Times, AP, CNN, NBC, Politico and BuzzFeed. They sought to unseal records in the case, including information about the jurors.

Rejecting the request about the jury, Ellis said “to do so would create a risk of harm to them.”

The judge also denied a motion to unseal all the bench conferences and sidebars, which have been sealed. Ellis said all that will be released to the public at the end of the trial.

After a trial spanning nearly three weeks, Manafort, 69, is awaiting a verdict on 18 tax evasion and bank fraud charges.

He has been accused of hiding income earned from his Ukrainian political work from the IRS. He’s also accused of fraudulently obtaining millions in bank loans.

Manafort has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Since the jury began deliberating Thursday, the defense has been expressing increasing confidence about its chances. Kevin Downing, Manafort's attorneny, told reporters he sees the continued deliberations as "a great sign for the defense."

He echoed those remarks after the jury sent Ellis a note Friday asking to end deliberations at 5 p.m. ET because one juror has an event.

On Thursday, Ellis read aloud another note detailing four questions from the jury, which covered foreign financial accounts, shelf companies, the definition of reasonable doubt and other evidence in the case.

In closing arguments this week, prosecutor Greg Andres told the jury, "The government asks you to return the only verdict that is consistent with the evidence, which is guilty on all charges."

It takes a unanmious guilty verdict from all 12 jurors to convict on each count.

I see the usual subjects are good with a known foriegn operative to the Kremlin getting away with crimes against the United States and tax evasion. Deplorable. The rule of law only applies the the left anymore.

Vambo's so high right now.

nobody should be expecting a swift verdict, no matter the outcome.

If the judge's life is in danger it seems that this trial is tainted. How could this be a fair trial?

I can go with that thought.

It would appear the jury is doing their due diligence. That is good.

judges have their lives threatened all the time. please stop acting like this is something new.

Must be the Clintons!

Can't be.. .this judge is still alive

Give them the weekend!

I heard that the jury has 18 counts and over 400 pieces of evidence to sort through.

And there is no index of what piece of evidence is associated with a specific charge. It will take some time to sort through.

breaking:

Jury ask judge about what to do if they cant come to a consensus on a single count.

so this means they have a consensus on everything but one count. not good or bad news, just news.

Could be construed that they cannot come to a consensus on any count.

could be. could also be what some attorneys are saying: they have a consensus on every count but just this one.

more than likely it could be one of the bank charges where he tried to get a loan under false pretense.

typically though, if there's only one charge in question, then they will declare a hung jury on just that count, and issue a partial verdict.

according to a quick search, it is hung up on a consensus on only one count and also would need a new verdict form

gonna be interesting which way all of this goes.

either mueller is going into next months trial with full momentum, or he's gonna go into next months trial a wounded duck.

yes, probably...
but I have always heard that if the feds investigate you and ultimately bring charges, they pretty much have a very good case. But you still got to convince a jury that someone is guilty of a crime that warrants taking away their freedom for a long period of time.

I am actually more interested in the events coming up in the next month to 6 weeks. Mueller has at times seemed like he is months ahead of what the daily news stream is-and we are running into an election cycle.
Is he going to release a bunch of charges/subpoenas soon and then lay low and let the midterms take place or is he going to wait until after the midterms

yea, their success rate is....well, not encouraging if you're a defendant.

i hope they unseal some of the discussions between the judge and the prosecution/defendant team.

some of the side bar is related to next months trial, and we have to remember that these are just the tax and bank charges. the same money is gonna be used as evidence with his charges related to foreign lobbying and such.

it sucks that this might affect the mid terms, but thats on trump for surrounding himself with scumbags.

They rarely fail.. especially in the areas under which Manafort is being tried..

For me, Rick Gates was not a very convincing witness. But the mountains of paper evidence appears to be somewhat overwhelming against him.

We'll see. If indeed it's just one count they can't agree on, then this should be over fairly quickly.. One way or the other.

Question: Can a jury get hung over one count in a multi count hearing?

Yes. Each count is separate.

breaking

jury can't reach consensus on 10 counts.

not good for the mueller team.

This is why 'breaking' news is foolish. Just a few posts up, some had him guilty of 17 counts, and said the question the jury asked was about 1 count.

Whatever happens happens, I know. He's still facing jail time I would presume.

The maximum jail time for the guilty verdicts is 80 years, although he would probably get less

So let me get this straight. It wasn't Korea, it wasn't Russia, it wasn't the FBI....it was paying for porn star silence with campaign funds that sinks Donald Trump? What a time to be alive. Can a sitting president be subpoenaed? Can a sitting president be indicted?

Who knows. I'm still of the belief we're very early in this timeline of events. Regardless of outcome I would be shocked if the ramifications we're finalized before the end 2020

Who had him Guilty on 17?

However, Manafort has been found guilty on 8 counts, mistrial on 10.

5 counts of tax fraud
1 count of hiding foreign accounts
2 counts on bank fraud.

Yikes. So now mueller has momentum going into next months trial.

You did. Here's your post: "breaking:

Jury ask judge about what to do if they cant come to a consensus on a single count.

so this means they have a consensus on everything but one count. not good or bad news, just news."



Yup. Momentum. If getting 8 out of 18 is momentum. I know, like, in baseball, hitting .450 is awesome! In a federal court, hitting less than 50%? Uh.....suckage. And you know it also. It's even been said on here - in federal court, dang, you just don't win, the fed's almost always do.

And yes, the got him on 8 counts. 8 out of 18.


I don't see momentum - I see a guy that had no limitations on his expenditures in order to get guilty ...............and he failed on more than half.

Hey, they got the guy.

Mueller needs to step his game up though.

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Can you read that same exact quote again?

Cause NOWHERE IN MY DAMN POST DID I ASSUME HE WAS GUILTY ON 17.

The ONLY thing that was wrong was a consensus. I DID NOT claim they were guilty or not guilty verdicts.

Want to know why you and I will never get along? THATS WHY. You stated some BS crap that I NEVER said. I CLEARLY stated it wasn’t good or bad news. Just news.

Swear bro just stop posting to me. I can’t stand you.

Lock him up

Just like last night.

Can't stand a position different than yours.

Have at it. You want no conversation. You just want to be right, every time.

Have at it. (I posted your quote)

You just lied your ass off, that’s not taking a different position. That’s lying. Kick rocks. Straight up you and I will never be tight.

I didn't lie.

I won't kick rocks.


Don't need to be tight with you. What's that get me?

I'm just straight up with you. And that gets you nowhere.

so anyways, now that im done dealing with the ignorant,

https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-manafort...-205452870.html

wonder if manafort will try for a plea for the next trial, or is waiting it out for a pardon by trump.

Does Manafort appeal?
Does Trump pardon?
Does the govt try on the other 10 outstanding charges?
Or does Manafort flip

The charges Manafort was convicted of today using federal guidelines will result in 7 to 9 years in prison. The 80 years was the max

man oh man hannity is trying to so hard right now.

Done dealing with the ignorant?

Dude, you live with yourself. Don't tell me you're done dealing with yourself.