DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Baker Mayfield and Tyrod Taylor

TT was the starter in 9 NFL wins last year. Baker is just beginning to learn the speed of the NFL game. He said things were just starting to slow down for him last night on Hard Knocks.

If that doesn't answer your questions nothing will.

BAKERS NOT BETTER RIGHT NOW TODAY ... TT gives us the best chance to win ...

Not sure why your the only person in Dawg Nation thats questioning it ....

Of course its stunting Bakers growth ... hes learning now by watching and doing ... once the season starts hes only watching ... IMO he’s ready to go out and play so he can learn by doing and then watching what he did ...

Of course thats going to accelerate his growth as opposed to just watching ...

IMO Baker appears ready to play in that sense but in no way should he see the field now as TT gives us the best chance to win ... and its not that close today ...

Not sure why your questioning this ...

Give it up Vers ... i didnt say that to set u up ...

He isn't.


Not at this stage, no.



I get that everyone is super anxious to get on with seeing the shiny new toy on the field, but folks just need to have patience and let this team do what it has never had the cajones to do... let the rookie SIT. He will be SOOOO much better for it!

His increase in playing time and time with the 1's will come next summer, at the latest, and the patience will be rewarded. It will be worth it.

I am not super anxious. I like Tyrod Taylor and wanted him last off-season when many others didn't. I am just trying to propose interesting questions to promote discussion.

I don't think it is too far fetched to think that the #1 overall pick is better than a league average (probably a little better than that) QB.

j/c:

I think anyone who has followed football knows that a qb controversy is harmful to a team. The Browns [Hue and Dorsey] are doing their best to avoid such a controversy. Yet, guys like cfrs persist in trying to stir up a controversy.

I really believe that there are some folks that want the team to play bad and/or implode just so we can fire Hue.

I know that some of you are interested in my evaluations of players. Baker has impressed me, but he has a long way to go. He never took snaps from under center. He didn't have to go through progressions. He wasn't asked to make many pre-snap reads. He played behind the nation's best OL and in a conference where pass defense is just a rumor.

I like what I've seen thus far, but he isn't ready yet. I think Dorsey, Hue, and Haley are handling this the right way. Back off, people. Let the guy develop.

If your HC is afraid of a QB controversy, then you have the wrong guy at HC.

In regards to Baker getting time with the 1's, I think that there is a fine balance between getting the team ready to start the season, one aspect of which is avoiding a Qb controversy, and developing Baker to take over next year.

What I would do, is not dress Tyrod for the 4th preseason game. Then start Baker with the 1's for one series. Then sit the rest of the after that 1st series. Getting Baker time with the 1's even for a single series will be great for his development. Not dressing Tyrod keeps him from getting injured and by doing so prevents stirring up a controversy.

You are so full of crap. You made some crap up earlier and I let you slide, but of course, you didn't apologize and are now back for more.

I played the game. Did you? I coached teams. Did you?

I can emphatically tell you that every freaking coach who has a clue knows that a qb controversy is a horrible thing that rip a team apart.

Instead of praising Hue for trying to navigate the situation, you make crap up w/ridiculous statements. The last thing a team wants is to have a locker room divided. They don't want guys "taking sides." They don't want the negative comments from the outside affecting the mind-sets of the players. Almost everyone w/even an ounce of a clue knows this. But, of course you don't. And I know why.

I want to know if anyone is going to back me up on this one? I know Hue isn't popular, but I want some of you to grow some and stand up to WSU's nonsense. Does anyone think QB controversies are good for a team and is a coach wrong for wanting to avoid QB controversies? Speak!

Vers - responding to one point in your past two posts...wanting your honest opinion.

I have 0 facts to back up my reason for the question but do you think it matters how well we play this year and its relation to Hue's longevity with the team? Just recently I've felt that Haley will take over for Hue next season regardless (again...not factual based at all, just a gut feel). I was BSing with some fans at the bar last weekend and that was the only reasoning we could come up with on why Haley would even come to Cleveland.

I will answer your questions, but I would appreciate it if you would answer mine. Is WSU right for saying we have the wrong coach because he doesn't want a QB controversy? I want to know who among you who think a QB controversy is not a bad thing?


To answer your question:

I think we will see what kind of coach Hue is this year. I'm not sure if you remember, but I was probably the first to question just how great Hue was when he was hired. I'm not sold on Hue. I just argue for him because we have a handful of posters who are beyond unfair.

I think this team is better. I think they are still below average in terms of talent/experience. But, the talent and experience has been upgraded. I expect around 5 or 6 wins. I have never said he was a good coach. I have maintained that it was impossible to evaluate him because of the lack of talent/experience on the roster.

I will add that I like how he has been able to keep the team together despite the losing. Man, that's tough. And I like how he comes across on Hard Knocks. Dude knows how to relate to his players and coaches.

I think Haley came here because he was fired from the team w/the best offensive talent in the entire NFL. No one wants to hire Haley as a HC. He's too freaking abrasive. He is an ass! I think he's smart and a good coach, but no way is that dude ever going to be the "face" of a franchise again. This was his best option. Simple as that.

Wow.

Where did I say that?

Well, as I predicted, you were not suspended for something I guarantee I would have been suspended for. The post was just deleted.

But, to answer your question:

So...you just confirmed that I did NOT say what you claimed I said.

LOL............go away.

You misled the board on that issue and you know it.

What are you talking about? It wasn't word for word, but the message is the same.

I had let this go in the spirit of good faith, but talk about misleading.........here is a quote from you:



That is not even close to true. Stop misrepresenting things in order to fuel your hateful agenda to bad-mouth Hue.

So, no one is going to back me up on the QB controversy thing.

You guys are awesome!

'afraid' is not equal to 'does-not-want'.

Wow me? Single word response doesn't give me much to go on...

Am I right in now assuming that you are going to dodge my question even though I answered yours?

To be honest, didn't read every post. However, my opinion...I can equate it a bit to my non-sports related job. You put two alphas who think they are the best at their role in the same team / same room and chaos occurs, team morale declines and the leaders spend more time mediating the situation than leading. I can't imagine it's much different in sports, any type of chaos can be catastrophically disruptive.

Do I think Hue should have us in a QB controversy right now? I don't. This team sucks. 1-35. We have a lot of new pieces, I don't think Taylor is great, I do think Mayfield will be better and I think our number 1 goal should be to operate as a team, find some unity on the field and locker room and boost morale by winning some games.

This is the most hopefully I've been in awhile. I also watched some interviews I agree with...if Taylor just sucks it up and we drop our first X games, it's easier to switch to Mayfield and give him a shot. This is a better option than starting Mayfield, switching over to Taylor, back to Mayfield, screwing it all up and being in the same position next year. That doesn't mean Taylor should have a short leash, let him lead our team, but if we're 0-10...give Mayfield some PT to let him gain some experience.

Nope

Edit - Just took me longer to formulate a response to yours (plus my kid hijacked me for geometry homework help...:gags:)

Thank you, sir.

Nah... not buying it. Your response implied heavily that a head coach should be “ok” with a QB controversy and that’s just wrong.

Usually if a QB controversy really exists it means you have NO quality QBs. Here we have 2 quality QBs so we choose 1 and get the team behind him. Keep the team unified.

This.

That was better than I was going to say it.

I'm afraid of being bit by a rabid dog = I don't want to be bit by a rabid dog.

WSU is trying to play a game of semantics in attempt to insinuate that what he said is not what he said. He's doing this because he now knows that what he said is wrong and he's now trying to imply that he didn't say it.

No head coach wants a controversy at any position, especially at QB. Competition, yes. Controversy, no.