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I was talking in general arch. Many businesses hire illegals without even checking them. If they didn't have jobs to come here for, the vast majority wouldn't come here in the first place.

To me it's like deporting drug users while not going after the drug dealers.

By what I read most are slowed down because of the paperwork such as birth certificates or lack of and other documentation because not all the Countries have the legal files on the people as to whether they committed crimes which slows the process.

If they didn't cross the boarder Illegally no one could hire them. Back to the it's not the Illegals fault for you.

Okay.


Side note: how could the farm do an E-Verify check on the guy, it comes up clean - and somehow the guy is here illegally? (that's not a loaded question, either.)

Maybe someone that knows more about the e verify thing could answer?

Its 2018 though bro, we have satellites that can view your Nick Chubb if you are taking a pee in the woods. We can send and receive information literally faster than the speed of the light. I think we can figure out a way to increase the speed of it, as well as know who is coming in within a matter a weeks, not years.

Maybe you'd rather focus on an isolated case instead of look at things big picture.

So you don't really care about Americans breaking immigration laws, only the foreign people who do. Got it.

"128 illegal immigrants found abandoned in Arizona, Border Patrol says"

How many were hired yesterday? Which is the bigger picture?

People overstaying their visas, if you look at the statistics.

Yeah, let Americans draw them here with jobs and act like they aren't part of the problem or criminals too. Got news for you. They are.

Just goes to show you how far we've come. You used to be able to show up on Angel or Ellis island and give them a name, and you were in. That was the legal way of coming here.

I appreciate the snark.

But yes, I'd like to, right now, focus on how a business can use the gov't. system designed to catch something like this, and apparently have it fail them, as it appears to have happened in this case.



If you want to look at the HUGE picture, we can discuss fines for businesses that employ illegals. It seems to me, if memory serves me (and I'll be honest - my memory sometimes isn't great), that has been happening?

E-Verify is trash. I hire people for my work (I think you do too) and have done research into it as it would directly affect me. It's utter trash. If it was mandated nationwide you could have hundreds of thousands or more Americans unable to find work as they'd be tagged falsely by E-Verify. It's hard to make the case that it's okay to force working Americans out of work. At least it is for me. It has too many holes to be considered anything approaching a reasonable system right now.

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I think its not unreasonable to say this event may have changed her mind, or her families about immigration....too bad we will never know.

Thanks. I was hoping someone with more info/knowledge on it would reply.

No, I don't hire people anymore. That ended about 16-17 years ago for me.

Yet the left used the school children after the shootings for gun control.

It's a shame it takes horrible things like this to get things done. They should have dealt with this issue years ago.

Man charged in Tibbetts' death was working in Iowa legally, lawyer says

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...ect/1060204002/

hmmm

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/us/mollie-tibbetts-iowa-student-autopsy/index.html

From the article (and note, I don't know if the link above will stay the same - sometimes CNN's automatic 'lead' to a new story confounds me) "In applying for the job, Rivera provided a state ID and Social Security card that was verified through the Social Security Administration's verification system, according to Lang. But those forms of ID were not of Rivera, he said."

welp, im sure the courts will know what the truth is.

so *this is a shame and he should be executed* but if this dude is indeed here legally....a lot of these comments in this thread is gonna be of the lol variety.

But even if he is here legally, and committed the crime, he still should be executed.

pretty sure i said that.

Must have missed that.

you quoted my post. how in the world did you miss that?

Right now, easily.

You want to know how they do e verify and get a clean report??? By actually not doing the e verify. Farm owner recanted the claim and said they don't participate in the e verify program....oh snap.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cristhian-rivera-know-undocumented-immigrant-153413211.html

Thanks.

It's interesting how the info we get "post haste", or instantly, often times turns out to be untrue.


Weird, isn't it?

Well if the murderer committed fraud along with murder they can just tack on a few more years. I mean it's not like illegals never use false IDs and fake SSNs right?

I have no problem with idea of worker visas. I do have a problem with a worker visa that lets them have kids and gain a shortcut to citizenship through their kids though.

At some point we will have to catch up to the modern world on being a citizen. We are no longer a country trying to conquer a wilderness but rather a country that has the oldest continuously running government. At this point just being born here should not be enough but rather being born to parents who are actual citizens. Once you do that then you gain a LOT more flexibility with work visas.

I also have no problems with work visas leading to a path of citizenship after say 15 years of no criminal involvement. The regular path takes 10 years and costs thousands of dollars.

When it comes to amnesty I'd offer a temporary work visa of 5 years and say,"OK, lets see what you can do." We will offer English lessons online for free at your public library or local participating school. If you can learn english and find a job in 5 years ... well then we gotta send you back. I mean if your motivated you will do what you need to do. It's really just that simple.

I can say this though. Those who sneak into my house might end up dead because I will defend me and mine.

j/c:

I've always been amazed at how hard so many people work at hating others.

Guy was definitely a monster....but what kind of monster goes to work for the next thirty days in what appeared to be described as,his normal self....only demons with antisocial behavior can act that way.

A sociopath. They don't exhibit signs of guilt or remorse like the rest of us. They are the scariest mothers out there.

Worse than psychopaths.

A psychopath cannot distinguish right from wrong. A sociopath can... he just doesn't care.

When Ayn Rand tells you something, it's best to close your ears. Ayn Rand mythologized this idea that Indians did not believe in private property, when that is extremely incorrect. Especially from an objectivist who claims severe self-interest is a natural thing that shouldn't be culled. Every culture has always had individual property rights. Especially on scarce resources like land. Most tribes were in hunting and gathering societies just like the American frontiers and fought over the rights of the fertile land. Why else would Andrew Jackson make a career out of killing Indians in Florida? And why else would he send them to Oklahoma Even nomadic tribes considered vast corridors of land as theirs. Just as a Rancher would reclaim property rights, even if he's not occupying the land itself during his claim. Of course this concept could slowly devolve into a discussion on the history of squatters rights and if they could be applied, anyhow, Native Americans certainly believed in private property.

Tragic story that has predictably been politicized... it has not, however been able to remove the Cohen/Manafort developments from the top of the news....

Republicans look very disingenuous for their attempts to make this THE story that is being reported on.. Democrats look very disingenuous for their desire to ignore it or minimize it.... No need to make the obvious analogy that the reporting on this would be different if the killer was a _____ and the victim was a ________.. fill in the blanks with whatever you want.

In the end, it's not about the media, the poor girl is dead, the family is grieving, before the body is in the ground they have to watch her life play out like a political football...

This kind of stuff now forces me to fight cynicism on a daily basis.

Damn it.

Ah who cares.

They certainly had a long history of killing and enslaving each other over territory. You only own the land you can fight to defend because once you can't someone else is surely on the way to take it from you. That has been the truth the world over. I don't feel pity for the Indians. They fought a war and lost the same as countless other nations that have since been wiped off the face of the Earth.

I personally think all reservations should be done away with and all Indians should just have full American citizenship and that's it. Treated the same as all the rest of us and with equality.

Spoken like a true pale face through a forked tongue. You do realize the rest of us aren’t exactly treated with equality right? Hence the kneeling thingy.

y.i.k.e.s.

I believe they are saying the company hired him legally, as they ran his info through the system, and it came back clean. But he was an illegal, he gave them fake information.

Question as well, If I provide a fake SSN or fake documents to an employer, I can go to jail for identify theft, yet 10 million people do this illegally, and the left gives them a pass for it.....