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No, he was making fun of me. Not you.

Carl Nassib vs Todd Haley

Funny stuff

Haha, I liked that part.

"Don't bro me, please" hahaha.

I’m glad to see your seeing the same thing i am “chemistry” wise ... glad to hear its just not me ...

Can’t wait for the game tonight ... but it is pre-season so i’m not reading anything into it either way ...

9/9 .....

Chemistry goes down the window fast when things start for real and the L's start pilling...

Its a TV show guys, even the Kardashians look functional

OH BOY ... the stars are aligning differently this year ....

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns

Josh Gordon was activated from the Browns' reserve/non-football injury list.

He's now eligible to participate in all football activities. Coach Hue Jackson said Gordon will participate in walk-throughs as early as Saturday. He's also hoping to get Gordon reps in the club's preseason finale versus the Lions. The plan is still to have Gordon "up and running" for Week 1 against Pittsburgh, and this is another positive step in that direction. The Browns are probably still willing to take on Dez Bryant if he ever reconsiders his reported offer sheet, but Gordon's return means the team is no longer rushed to expand their receiving corps before the regular season.

Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter Aug 25 - 10:11 AM

We'll see if Gordon's stars are truly aligning differently.

Let him get through an entire 16 game season without incident, take care of his kids, and then maybe I'll feel differently.

A day at a time y-town ...

TODAYS NEWS IS EXCELLENT ...

All we can do is wait to see what tommorow brings ...

Things are usually trending down for us about this time of year ... NOT THIS YEAR ...

Diam is either going to be Nostradamus or ...

I'd say our defense is on par with the better ones in the NFL ... our DT and secondary are suspect, but we're strong everywhere else.

Problem is: will our offense be good enough? (Specifically Tyrod/Baker and the OL). I was higher on Tyrod before the preseaon games began ... he has underwhelmed me, which is a concern.

I think my #1 concern is the OL.

TT and BM I am fine with - TT seems like the QB I expected, he's not going to carry the team and I don't think he's going to regularly take the top of the D. Especially with so little time to throw based on the pre-season. Bitonio seems to be doing well at LT - but the rest of the line needs to gel quickly.

Compared to other areas of concern - interior DL and depth at LB - OL is a much much bigger issue imo based on what we see so far.

it's just a shame that Joe T had to retire just before we draft our supposed Franchise QB

Yes and No.... I don't begrudge JT a thing. All class individual who was a stud for us in terms of level of play and not missing games. . . . be nice if his talent was still with the team - but I hope he stays healthy and enjoys a long pain free retirement.

I am not saying you are wrong. We simply have a difference of opinion.

My biggest concern is the QBs............and it isn't even close. Neither one is excelling in pre and post-snap reads and that is huge!

My next biggest concern is our DTs. I think they aren't all that strong and are inconsistent. This opinion could change quickly, though.

The next concern in regards to personnel is whether or not our strong safeties can cover.

I would then have to go w/the WRs, because if Josh can't be active all year, this unit goes downhill by a long shot.

The OL would be next. I actually think they are going to be okay because I think Bitonio is showing he can be pretty good at LT and Hubbard is looking better than Coleman at RT.

Not saying my opinions are better than yours. Just a different perspective.

Question. Been thinking this since we picked up Taylor and the drafting of Mayfield.

We KNOW with Haley having the likes of Gordon and Callaway to stretch the field and a TE capable of hitting the deep middle that he will undoubtedly utilize this in his play calling.

Game 1 vs the G-Men, Taylor hit Njoku with that nice toss down the right sideline for the TD. And Landry down the left sideline with the back shoulder toss. Both excellent tosses.

Game 2 that disappeared understandably since we wanted to run a lot.

Game 3 the deeper stuff was still non-existent.

Couldn't tell if anyone was getting open to even attempt those longer passes. We may not have even run anything deep game 3.

Here's the thing. We'll have our full arsenal come Game 1. When Haley is watching game film on Monday and he sees open opportunities in the deeper part of the field and Taylor is settling for the shorter, safer stuff which he's had a penchant for in Buffalo. How long will Haley stand for him leaving BIG PLAYS on the field before he starts clamoring for Mayfield?

That's exactly what concerns me about Taylor. This bears watching since this is the BEST group of weapons Taylor has ever had around him. Therefore I'm going to give him a chance.

I definitely want Mayfield sitting as long as possible, watching and digesting game film to see how defenses scheme and disguise coverages on the NFL Level, cause he has yet to see it.

I've thought from Day One that the potential for Taylor to be leaving BIG PLAYS on the field because of his conservative approach would be his undoing here. Cause Mayfield WON'T leave those plays on the field.

This is the #1 thing I will be watching come Game One.

If that happens and we turn this team over to Mayfield, my OPTIMISM GOES EVEN HIGHER.

Gonna be fun times watching this unfold once the bullets start flying in 13 days.

I don't think Mayfield is ready yet. Close but not yet. I'd like to see us get to at least game 6 before Mayfield whiffs the field.

And then I only want to see it if TT goes down or is hopelessly bad with zero wins.

I'd say that TT has more than shown a willingness to go deep. Us not doing so much in the last two games isn't indicative of much of anything.

They are working on things, and doing so with a line that hasn't been giving them all that much time. If you recall the Philly game, they were in our backfield just about as much as we were in theirs. It's hard to get a deep route going when you have that happening; not to mention the statement from Landry where they were trying to work on play action stuff that night.

Definitely wait for the season to get rolling before revisiting this theory

I can see that, it almost seems like Mayfield has a limited playbook and some of his throws, completeions, look slow to arrive, not sure they'll be there vs regular season disguised coverages or underneath zones, interception worries.
Tyrod's career signature is few pass attempts, almost see if it looks like a boxer trying to find an opening before he throws a punch, wonder if he's being conservative afraid to take a chance with his throws.



I'd put the Db's even over this, I'm not convinced it's better than last year and last year was ineffective.

I bet the Defense is closer to knowing than the offense

But an overall concern is I don't think this team knows what it wants to do yet, I'm not convinced they know what they do well/best and what they don't do well yet.

Defensively we could be special. This group has confidence and they are competing to see who makes the next big play. That is how good defenses become great.

get zeitler back and our OL could compete with the cowboys for the best run blocking unit in football. There were a few plays against the Eagles where their DL just got rag dolled by bitonio and Corbett and Zeitler and Hubbard are both known for being elite run blockers.

Passing game I expect nadda from it. at least no consistency with taylor at QB. he will flash and dissappoint. Team however is headed down the right path. I feel good from what I am seeing from this team.

J/c. I was listening to Sirius yesterday and they gave a decent interview with Kirksey. It blew me away when he said, "me and Bitonio have been here the longest". Talk about turnover.

J/c. I was listening to Sirius yesterday and they gave a decent interview with Kirksey. It blew me away when he said, "me and Bitonio have been here the longest". Talk about turnover.

Yo Jfan ...

U listened to Sirius lately ... *L* ...

J/C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptq_iMrsP_0

Didn't know where else to put this, but the Browns did a mic'd up/feature with Austin Corbett.

Love it. Seems like a great kid. Our OL seems to have tremendous chemistry off the field, and certainly are growing to have chemistry on the field. Joel Bitonio seems to really be establishing himself as a leader.

It is great to see, especially since Corbett has really progressed throughout the preseason, in my eyes. Certainly a rookie, and it won't be perfect, but I like what I've seen so far and, perhaps more importantly, what I've seen looks to project well to continued progression.

The OL is my spot of worry for the season, but I have faith in the guys on the line, and I'm excited to see what they can do moving forward.

I was worried about the OL, but I think Hue pulled a genius move by moving Bitonio to LT and inserting Corbett at LG. That could be proven to be false, but as of right now, I think it was a great move.

If the OL plays average ... LOOK THE HELL OUT ...

If Josh stays on the right path we have weapons out the ass ... even w/o out him we have some weapons ...

- Landry
- Duke
- Hyde
- Njoku

Calloway and Higgins with some potential ...

U add in Josh and we have a boatload of weapons ...

TT is who he is .... with these weapons and this D ... he’ll be just fine ...

I agree that the OL is my biggest concern ... Corbett’s a rookie .. nothings going to change that ... hopefully he improves throughout the season and doesn’t make the same mistake twice ... he’s gaining valuable PT next to Joel and Trettier ... we should see improvement in that aspect alone ... same with pulling ... timing has to improve ... it should just by reps ..

We’ll get Zietler back ...

Things will get better ... question is how much better and can they stay healthy ... we have ZERO DEPTH at the tackle position ... god help us if Joel goes down ...

Things are looking good out here on the Isle ...

9/9

Disagree. The biggest issue on the O is our QBs. And that is the worst position to have an issue at. For that reason, I find it hard to be too optimistic about this season.

I think you are under selling Calloway. He's got the potential to be pretty freaking good in his own right -- along side Landry and Gordon? Oh My.

I was higher on our QBs a few weeks ago ... Baker understandably looked a little worse the last two weeks. But Tyrod is who he is: a below average QB because he won't push the ball down the field, holds onto it too long, and struggles in the red zone.

I think our play makers are better, but QB play is still a question for me.

He may still be learning but this will be his eighth season. Over time a player develops an identity, habits and a sense of who he is as a player. Hopefully that will change with different personnel. But I think it would be fooling oneself to expect a metamorphosis.

I'm really not trying to dog TT at all. He's got some talent. He's most certainly an upgrade to anything we've had in a long while. I'm just trying to get fans to temper their expectations a bit.

The great thing for TT is that if he only manages to play to the level of a Derek Anderson or Brian Hoyer, and maybe slightly above, he's automatically pretty much the greatest QB in Cleveland since Bernie.

No way will Taylor put up the number of yards, TDs, and points that DA did. The good news is that he won't throw as many picks, either.

If these receivers can regularly give him drives like we had against the Giants, he won't be all that far off.

237 yds and 1.8TD per game isn't that unobtainable in this new passing league, especially if a QB has reliable weapons to lean on.

It's only my opinion but Baker is playing to what you would expect from a rookie Qb better than any of the other rookies and I don't think it's even close. Tyrod is as good a mentor as one can ask for.
With the talent he has around him along with his conservative style he plays is gonna give us a middle of the pack statistically offense. Added to a very good defense we gonna have a great year to be a Cleveland Brown fan.
Hop in the water and enjoy the sun because it has been a long time since we have had the talent and potential to succeed as we have now.
Don't forget your tanning oil!!

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I LOVE IT ...

Let me know what u would like to do in the Isle ... U can:

- just be a fan and enjoy ...

- choose any job u like from ferry boat captain to wading pool greeter to head of the sun tan lotions ...

Newest job .... dealing with Budweiser ... as of now they only wanna send over 100 kegs for the first W celebration ... well ... i’m Thinking more along the lines of 10,000 give or take ...

So i need someone to keep them up to date on the number of daily arrivals and to make sure we have a big enough ferry to get all the kegs delivered by 9/9 ...

Let me know what you’d like to do Dawg ... u have your pick of the litter so to speak ...

HERE WE GO BROWNIES HERE WE GO!!!!