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In the spirit of posters like Vambo who use articles that contain isolated incidents as scare tactics against an entire group of people, I think we should deport all the people in this country who play video games.

It was a satirical reply to a group of posters who continually post "horrific" articles that are designed to create bias against a particular group of people.

Lighten up, Francis.

Nothing in what you just said here is evidence that the left wants to suppress wages. Doing the jobs "Americans won't do" is not the same. Telling Trump to pound sand on DACA because his demands were unreasonable elsewhere is not the same. You need to provide evidence to support your claim that the left wants wage suppression, or recant the claim.

The party platform on this is rather simple:

• Pathway to citizenship for all where reasonable
• Raise the minimum wage to $15/hr

source

Where in the party platform is it stated that the party wants the opposite of what they are claiming? I provide sources, not rhetoric. You should strive to match.

Where in the party platform is it stated that the party wants the opposite of what they are claiming?

The party platform on this is rather simple:

Pathway to citizenship for all where reasonable
Raise the minimum wage to $15/hr

It's directly across from the part of the Republican party platform where they say they are for debt reduction and smaller government....

I don't care what their platform says they stand for, both parties platforms are for unicorns and rainbows as far as the eye can see.

I actually stated that already, you must have missed it. Which is why I don't consider talking points a source, but rather their actions.

You claim their actions say otherwise, yet do not provide compelling evidence of these actions. Also, you demonstrated you did not read the source I provided, as they outline in black and white language what they mean by reasonable.

I gave you examples of their ACTIONS. If you disagree, so be it. But to me their actions say otherwise.

"They do the jobs Americans wont do" - I.E. they do the jobs that we don't want to pay much for.

The left was given a way for the DACA to have a path to citizenship, along w/ 1.1 more million, yet the left and Chuck balked at the deal. They left the DACA kids hanging. Action's over words.

It's called not liking lawbreakers and people who don't respect the rule of law.

Nothing is sadder than Trump supporters talking about actions over rhetoric... the irony is immense.

My wallet is full of Trumps actions.

My wallet is full of Trumps actions.

Yet you support Trump?

trade wars working so well he had to bail out the farmers because of it.

You might want to check out how much the federal gov't. gives farmers every year. EVERY single year. They even pay them to NOT grow crops.

Translating Food Technology: Why do farmers get paid not to grow crops?

Category: Translating Food Technology
Published: 27 May 2016

Why do farmers get paid not to grow crops?

The U.S. Department of Agriculture announced in early May that Nebraska comes in third nationwide in the amount of farm-ground acreage the government pays farmers to leave unplanted and idle. Behind only Iowa and Washington in the program, this state will idle almost 775,000 acres total, an area roughly 1.5 times the size of all of Lancaster County.

To some, it has raised the perennial question: Why does the government pay farmers to not grow crops?

As is often the case, Internet mythology about food and farming has overshadowed some of the fact. The U.S. farm program began during the Great Depression of the 1930s as a limited safety net to help support the income of farmers who were being driven from the land by the thousands. In its early and following years, it did provide some forms of "set asides," in which farmers were subsidized to reduce the supply of crops in order to help make them more scarce and thus hold their prices up. And some vestiges of that supply-control mentality does exist even today, most notably in voluntary programs in which farmers of various commodities either pool funds to buy out other farmers to keep supplies down or voluntarily restrict production per farm.

However, with the passage of the most recent federal Farm Bill, in 2014, the U.S. government—for the most part—got out of the business of paying farmers directly to support crop prices on the whole. Instead, the farm program transitioned to the goals of turning the regulation of ag commodity prices back over to the market to determine price through supply and demand, and then making aid available to help farm owners adjust to that market, most notably in the form of subsidized insurance against crop losses in bad years.

The only real remaining government program that still pays farmers not to plant is the U.S. Conservation Reserve Program. The more than 30-year-old program pays landowners an annual rent over a contract period of from 10 to 15 years to leave land the government considers environmentally sensitive out of crop production. It also makes cost-sharing funds available to help landowners pay for conservation improvements like planting grasses and trees and protecting streams and rivers. The United States currently enrolls about 23.4 million acres in CRP—down from its high of about 36 million acres 10 years ago and nearly the maximum the government will be allowed to pay for by 2018, according to the Farm Bill.

The government's goal in paying farmers an average of about $94 per acre in Nebraska is to return that environmentally vulnerable ground, which in many cases shouldn't have been plowed in the first place, to a more natural state by replanting land cover that was removed during normal cropping. In the process, the CRP hopes to improve water quality, prevent soil erosion and restore wildlife habitat. And in some cases, CRP is still recognized to play a smaller, but still important, role in giving farmers a source of income for protecting those acres and discouraging them from selling them for non-ag uses like housing developments and golf courses.

Are taxpayers getting their money's worth?

Nationwide, the CRP has been credited with reducing soil erosion by nearly 224 million tons a year, or about 6.8 tons per acre enrolled. By reducing erosion of that soil which often carries excess nutrients that can cause problems in nearby waters, the CRP has also significantly improved those waters. Research estimates it has cut the amount of the polluting nutrient nitrate by 90 percent, sediment and herbicide by 50 percent and phosphorous by as much as 30 percent in some farm regions. Also, by converting row cropland into native grasslands and trees, CRP has given nesting cover, wintering habitat, and plant and insect feed to numerous wildlife species.

A 2012 review by a pair of Oregon State rural social scientists of the CRP's selected economic benefits estimated enrolling an acre of land in the CRP improved the value of that acre by an estimated $58 per year, in 2011 dollars. Naturally, most of that value accrues to the owner of the land. However, annual benefits from the reduced soil erosion and increased recreational opportunities amounted to another roughly $49 per acre. The researchers cited studies estimating that only about 10 percent of that $49 goes back into the pocket of the landowner, with the remaining 90 percent accruing to society as a whole. They suggest those figures demonstrate that, although the performance of the CRP could be improved, the average national CRP rental cost of $52 per acre in 2011 provides benefits that outweigh its costs to taxpayers.


http://nebraska.farmergoestomarket.com/i...t-to-grow-crops

I'm arguing in particular will's claim that the Democratic party is lying on their platform. That they actually want to keep wages low. I'm asking for the smoking gun, and he's deflecting.

Tibbetts' father: Hispanic locals 'Iowans with better food'
Associated Press Associated Press 11 hours ago



BROOKLYN, Iowa (AP) — The killing of University of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts has prompted criticism of the U.S. immigration system because the man charged in her death is a Mexican farmworker. But the victim's father told mourners he's been embraced by the local Hispanic community.

Speaking Sunday afternoon to more than 1,000 people at a ceremony at his daughter's former high school, Rob Tibbetts didn't directly respond to comments by President Donald Trump and others who quickly seized upon the suspect's citizenship to argue for changes in immigration laws.

However, The Des Moines Register reports that Tibbetts said he encountered Hispanics at Mexican restaurants and elsewhere who were sensitive and kind during the weeks he spent in the central Iowa community of Brooklyn to help search for his daughter.

"The Hispanic community are Iowans. They have the same values as Iowans," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, they're Iowans with better food."

The body of 20-year-old Mollie Tibbetts was found Aug. 21 in a cornfield outside Brooklyn, where she had been staying during her summer break from the University of Iowa. Authorities have said she was abducted while out running July 18, and an autopsy showed that she died from stab wounds.

Cristhian Bahena Rivera, 24, has been charged with first-degree murder in her death and is being held in lieu of a $5 million cash-only bond. He is suspected of being in the United States illegally.

If convicted of murder, he faces life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Within hours of Rivera's arrest, Trump, Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds and the state's two U.S. senators said her death demonstrated the need to change immigration laws. Trump called for the election of more Republicans who would support such changes.

In his address at Brooklyn-Guernsey-Malcom High School, Rob Tibbetts asked mourners to remember his daughter by "celebrating something wonderful," rather than focusing on how she died.

Tibbetts urged the audience to remember his daughter's passion for life and her desire to help others. To highlight his call to celebrate "wonderful" things, the father recognized a couple who had just married the day before during his eulogy.

"Today, we need to turn the page. We're at the end of a long ordeal," he said. "But we need to turn toward life — Mollie's life — because Mollie is nobody's victim. Mollie is my hero."

Davenport Bishop Thomas Zinkula led the funeral Mass in the city of 1,500 where Mollie Tibbetts grew up.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-mourn-funeral-slain-20-old-iowa-student-140612222.html

I don't know about all that. I know the OSU extension agent for around here said, a few weeks ago, "Don't do anything right now. Let's see how this plays out. You'll probably be ok, as long as you don't panic."


I don't know how it's played out yet. Neither does anyone else.

Oh, maybe I missed some steps in the conversation then.. I thought the argument was over whether or not the democratic policies have actually suppressed wages, especially at the low end... which they have.

So no, they don't lie, they just want something that's impossible to have in all practicality.

U.S.
Mollie Tibbetts’s Father Writes Op-Ed: ‘Show Some Decency’

The Cut Opheli Garcia Lawler,The Cut 9 hours ago



Mollie Tibbetts was found dead after being reported missing by her family. She was killed by a man who couldn’t take no for an answer. When it was revealed that the man who killed her was an immigrant to the United States, many people, including Donald Trump, used her death as a rallying call against immigration.

Her family repeatedly asked for this to end; they insisted their daughter would not want her death to be used as a way to incite hate. They wanted to remember Mollie as a source of courage and compassion.

In the days and weeks following her death, not everyone listened to this Tibbetts’s request. On Saturday, her father, Rob Tibbetts wrote an op-ed in the Des Moines Register again, pleading that Mollie’s death not be used as a “debate pawn.”

“She may not be able to speak for herself, but I can and will. Please leave us out of your debate. Allow us to grieve in privacy and with dignity,” Tibbetts wrote. “At long last, show some decency. On behalf of my family and Mollie’s memory, I’m imploring you to stop.”

He wrote that his daughter would never have stood for the hate being spread in her name. It is a statement the family has repeatedly posted to social media, and reiterated at her funeral.

“The person who is accused of taking Mollie’s life is no more a reflection of the Hispanic community as white supremacists are of all white people. To suggest otherwise is a lie,” Tibbetts continued. “Justice in my America is blind. This person will receive a fair trial, as it should be. If convicted, he will face the consequences society has set. Beyond that, he deserves no more attention.”

He compared Mollie to John McCain, and considered them both to be good people who wouldn’t stand for the kind of hate being directed to the latino community. He called for the unity that existed when people searched for Mollie.

“For most of the summer, the search for Mollie brought this nation together like no other pursuit. There was a common national will that did transcend opinion, race, gender and geography. Let’s not lose sight of that miracle. Let’s not lose sight of Mollie.”

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mollie-tibbetts-father-writes-op-152104377.html

Why would you just not post the op ed?

What does that have to do w/the article?

Man, it's like you are opposed to open discussion.

Talk about the topic, please.

Here is the topic for those who are challenged. A lot of folks, including our president, jumped on this murder as an example of how important it is that we stop illegal immigration. They displayed faux outrage. They used the young girl's death to further their own political and social beliefs and biases.

The family [in general] and the father [in particular] of the victim are not blaming Hispanics for the death of their daughter. They have spoken of support from the Hispanic community. They are disgusted by people making this a political and racial issue. They want their daughter to be remembered for who she was rather a pawn in a disingenuous political platform.

Will you respond to all of that or are you going to play Father Superior yet again?