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What i just read was ...
The Lambs went out and signed a boatload of players and spent a crap load of money on there own and other teams FA (cooks was a trade and sign basically) and still had enough left over for the best interior DLman in football
BUT WERE NOT CAPABLE ...
Sorry bro ... u got this one wrong ...
And none of our guys are coming up for at least 2 or 3 years ....
If we can’t pay Mack now andstill have money for FA next year and to pay our own down the line ... if they cant manage that ... were $crewed anyway ..
U have to pay for TALENT ... this dude is the best player at the 2nd most important position on football and would HAVE PUT US IN A VERY INCREDIBLE UNIQUE SITUATION ...
The stars have FINALLY been lining up for us quite nicely since last season ended ... this would have been the icing on the cake ...
I’m not mad or anything ... not upset ... this would have cost a lot but been well worth it IMO ...
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I'm not torn up about this... it always turns out that one team is just a bit crazier than the others and they tend to give up waaay more than anyone else.
And in these situations, it never works out well for the team giving up a ton either.
Like, can we think of one "Blockbuster" trade that worked out well for the team giving over just about everything?
Ricky Williams and Ditka giving the entire draft away
Vikings trading for Walker
Redskins trading for RG3
Impact players are one thing, and you try and go get as many as you can. But football is considered the ultimate team sport for a reason.
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It's not just the money, it's in combination with the alleged 2 first round picks. All together it's more than this franchise can withstand. Besides, I don't believe we're at a stage in our development that he would catapult us to a division title and playoff appearance.
We see it differently, and that's ok.
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I agree w/this. I would have loved to acquire Mack, but Chicago looks to have outbid us.
I would have been perfectly fine w/giving the Raiders a 1st, Collins, and Ogbah. And maybe one of those 7th round picks we have. LOL
Sounds like the Bears gave up two 1sts and more. That's steep.
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Too steep. He is very good, but giving that mush up is asinine IMO. If we were in dire need, maybe, but two 1st is nuts unless your team is solid everywhere on the roster and the draft is meaningless to you.
Just glad it wasn't in our division.
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The Lambs will be struggling pretty badly with their salary cap starting next year.
Even after Suh's 1-year rental is off the books, Brandin Cooks and Donald's contracts balloon. Seriously those two guys alone will be some 18+ million against the cap. And 2020?? Ahahahaha. At the same time Todd Gurley's contract balloons you're suppose to be able to re-up on Jared Goff? I just don't see it.
They have a two year window and then they have to pay the piper.
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Of course it's not the players in the first round it is the GM who is making the selection.
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Of course it's not the players in the first round it is the GM who is making the selection.
OK ... lets go that route ... Who do u consider the best “gm” in football ... Let me know and then we’ll go take a look at those VALUABLE FIRST ROUND PICKS and see how many panned out ... I know who mine is ... and he was GOOD ... but i’d be shocked if even he was over 50% hitting on 1st rounders and i would venture to guess his BIGGEST STUD was a 3rd round pick ... although some would argue his best pick was the #16 pick of the first round ... Please ... tell me WHO U THINK WAS THE BEST ... and we’ll go see how they did in the first round ... I think u guys WAY OVERVALUE the unknown vs the known in this case ... I’m shocked I’m this far apart from U and Vers ...
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And the best team in football over the last 10 years ... how do they do with their first round picks? .. i’d venture to guess WHEN they make them they prolly fair at less than 50% ...
There the best team in football and its not even close over the last decade ... and they TRADE OUT OF ROUND ONE as much as they make there picks there ... thats just a guess ... but i’ll Bet if its not true it’s real close to true ...
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32 players in the first round.
Which pick?
Exercise in futility.
Way to many variables. There have been tons of great players picked in round one. There have been of course many failures as well. Then add the "ok's".
Too complicated.
It did not happen so I just move on.
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As far as current GM's or all-time guys? Of the current young GM's I liked Rick Spielman from Minnesota until about 5 months ago. Kirk Cousins at 20 mil a year is one thing, but 28, Rick? Not sure why I threw that in there. Carry on. 
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Seems as if I'm one of the few who thinks the Browns dodged a bullet here. Not because Mack isn't a generational player, he is.
The compensation was exhorbitant, IMO.
I prefer the Browns to follow a deliberate, year-to-year plan than to reflexively swing for the fences with all financial considerations be damned. We have up and coming players that will have to get second contracts. The Rams did it right with Donald. They managed their cap in anticipation of signing him. They were able to get some other big deals done in advance of his signing too. Suh, Joyner, Talib, Brockers, and Baron to name a few.
I'm with you... not because I don't think he's a great talent, not because he isn't worth a big price tag. More because we really need to see the fruits of our "first year" efforts before we start backing up the Brinks truck for anyone. Not willing to push (nearly) all the chips to the center of the table before we've even played a game.
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Sheesh ... whats the % of first round picks that hit? ... U guys act like there SURE THINGS and all STUDS ... First round picks are sure things. Think about it. C. Coleman, Manziel, Gilber, Cam Erving, Shelton, Mingo, TRich, Weeden. Why trade a first round pick for a marginal talent like Mack when we can guys like the ones I just mentioned?
What does all that have to do with Dorsey? Two first round picks are very steep considering we only got one so that would me two years we don't have a first rounder. Just when we were getting talent.
Just when we will be having to take a close account of our cap. First round picks is what makes Dynasty's.
One first round pick and Collins...No Brainer but we would have had to compete with 2 first round picks PLUS...
The history of all our inept GMs should not take in account that Dorsey is the guy in charge now and that history has nothing to do with him.
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Bone didn’t want to play .... i’ll Ask u ... Who in your opinion is the best talent evaluator in the history of the nfl? ... Tell me who it is and we’ll go look at there first round picks ... Also riddle me this ... the best team in football over the last 10 years has been the Pats ... there 1st rnd picks over the last decade ... there so important not including this years they have a GRAND TOTAL OF 3 of their first round picks still with them .... How have they done it WITHOUT holding on to their first round picks ... U go look at their first round picks and theres not many 2 year periods where you’d take their first round picks over Mack .... and i bet u could do that with MOST TEAMS ... There’s actually ALOT OF VERY UNDERWHELMING picks in their .. And Mack is SPECIAL ... hes a freak amongst freaks ... Oh well ... as bone said .. time to move on ... Faiders are gonna get him as far away as possible ... seeing him once every 4 years and only in the SB otherwise is as far away as they could get him ... 
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Sheesh ... whats the % of first round picks that hit? ... U guys act like there SURE THINGS and all STUDS ... First round picks are sure things. Think about it. C. Coleman, Manziel, Gilber, Cam Erving, Shelton, Mingo, TRich, Weeden. Why trade a first round pick for a marginal talent like Mack when we can guys like the ones I just mentioned?
What does all that have to do with Dorsey? Two first round picks are very steep considering we only got one so that would me two years we don't have a first rounder. Just when we were getting talent.
Just when we will be having to take a close account of our cap. First round picks is what makes Dynasty's.
One first round pick and Collins...No Brainer but we would have had to compete with 2 first round picks PLUS...
The history of all our inept GMs should not take in account that Dorsey is the guy in charge now and that history has nothing to do with him.
jmho All well and good but in the meantime, we only have one elite pass rusher and Garrett will be eating double teams all year long. Mack is a 15+ sack per year player. He's like LT as he can change a game all by himself. Having Mack kill QB's would have been awfully nice. Would have opened up Garrett as well. Garrett is a great player but he's not going to reach his full potential as long as he's the only stud pass rusher on the team. He will face double teams virtually every play.
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Ogbah is no Mack. Do I have to say it again before I make my point?
First, who was the stud on the other side of Mack in Oakland that complimented his game so much? In other words, why does Garret require a counterpart of Mack's stature but Mack never seemed to have anyone approaching Garret's ability across from him? Mack was still successful. To suggest that Garret can't reach his potential without Mack is not sound reasoning.
Ogbah can't be fairly judged from four practice games. He is coming off a foot injury that limited him last year. Avery shows real promise as a pass rusher too. If we have some interior pass rush with Coley, Ogonjobi and Brantley, not to mention Chris Smith combined with being in year 2 of Williams' defense we will be competitive.
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Trade official, source tells ESPN:
Bears get: Khalil Mack, a 2020 second-round round pick and a conditional 2020 fifth-round pick.
Raiders get: 2019 first-round pick, 2020 first-round pick, 2020 third-round pick, 2019 sixth-round pick.
So Bears get back second-round pick, too
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I honestly can't believe that Raiders are actually going forward with this. Their fans have got to be angry, ill and want to take Gruden and throw him in a lake.
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Who in your opinion is the best talent evaluator in the history of the nfl? ...
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Before the Bears got him.
I was thinking 2019 first, 2020 second, and Ogbah.
I wonder if that would have worked?
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Well their fans im sure have all but forgotten Mack with that epic signing. AJ looked bad imo.
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it was for a 5th rounder wow
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What are the Raiders doing? They gave back a second round pick? The Bears did very, very well.
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What are the Raiders doing? They gave back a second round pick? The Bears did very, very well. I know it. Gruden is getting roasted, and rightfully so IMO
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Really bad day for Raider fans: From @MikeGarafolo and me: #Raiders WR Martavis Bryant is facing another suspension, pending appeal. Explains his release. He was recently informed. The Raiders traded the 79th pick for Bryant this past off-season. Gruden.
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Gruden's early returns are not good
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I love Myles, but he isn't in Mack's territory yet.
Didn't Mack make the Pro Bowl at two different positions in the same year? I would not trade MG for Mack.
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I love Myles, but he isn't in Mack's territory yet.
Didn't Mack make the Pro Bowl at two different positions in the same year? I would not trade MG for Mack. I wouldn't either, but that's because of contract and potential. Mack is a better player based on what he has done.
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At this point every GM in the league should be calling Oakland, yelling gibberish about a 2021 second-round pick for Amari Cooper just to see what shakes out of the tree.
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I love Myles, but he isn't in Mack's territory yet.
Didn't Mack make the Pro Bowl at two different positions in the same year? I would not trade MG for Mack. I wouldn't either, but that's because of contract and potential. Mack is a better player based on what he has done. Mack is also not going into his second year.
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I love Myles, but he isn't in Mack's territory yet.
Didn't Mack make the Pro Bowl at two different positions in the same year? I would not trade MG for Mack. I wouldn't either, but that's because of contract and potential. Mack is a better player based on what he has done. Mack is also not going into his second year. Don't explain yourself, Dawg. No need. NO WAY ON EARTH YOU INCLUDE GARRETT IN A MACK DEAL.
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LOL..............but come on.
I was talking about these former awesome first round choices: C. Coleman, Gilber, Manziel, Erving, Mingo, TRich, and Weeden.
Who the hell would not recognize the sarcasm?
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I love Myles, but he isn't in Mack's territory yet.
Didn't Mack make the Pro Bowl at two different positions in the same year? I would not trade MG for Mack. I wouldn't either, but that's because of contract and potential. Mack is a better player based on what he has done. Mack is also not going into his second year. Don't explain yourself, Dawg. No need. NO WAY ON EARTH YOU INCLUDE GARRETT IN A MACK DEAL. Who suggested that we should?
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LOL..............but come on.
I was talking about these former awesome first round choices: C. Coleman, Gilber, Manziel, Erving, Mingo, TRich, and Weeden.
Who the hell would not recognize the sarcasm? Lol. That's directly at Cfrs. I know EXACTLY where you're coming from.
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I love Myles, but he isn't in Mack's territory yet.
Didn't Mack make the Pro Bowl at two different positions in the same year? I would not trade MG for Mack. I wouldn't either, but that's because of contract and potential. Mack is a better player based on what he has done. Mack is also not going into his second year. Don't explain yourself, Dawg. No need. NO WAY ON EARTH YOU INCLUDE GARRETT IN A MACK DEAL. No one said that. Not even close.
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