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AGREED! I am just disappointed that we are not going to be on it next year!

I have been telling my members that they are going to be very upset come week 1.

The amount of people in Pittsburgh that have no idea about anything outside of Steeler football is beyond me.

I will bring up Jarvis - most have never even heard of him.

Same w/ Garrett. They are a fanbase that wears their jerseys to work on Friday and gets the final score Sunday at the Olive Garden all the while never watching a single down.

Here are a few post from one I have seen on a steeler board:

I wonder if that's anything like "covfefe"? But then again, in W. Va. it's hard to tell what the hell that means.

successhue is the Freudian slip the forum needed today.

I always like playing the "Name 5 Steelers" Game with Steelers fans, and watching them never get past 3.

Lol. Isn't that the truth.

Real Steeler fans aren't bad from my experiences. I've gone to many games at Heinz when they play the Browns with my buddy's family. He is from Pittsburgh (and is a Penn St fan as well) and his entire family followed suit. I've tailgated at Heinz and have had great conversations with many die-hard Steeler fans.

Now, most of the ones walking around Columbus don't know jack about them and would fail the name 5 players test. I find it amusing they are "sick of hearing about the Browns". LMAO, they are the epitome of hearing too much about a team, even here in central Ohio.

Another good test is to ask them to name a single offensive lineman.

That said, if we ever become as good as them I'm sure we'll have a boatload of the same type of fan.

Takeaways from last episode:

Baker looked tiny during the Eagles game.
Landry's girlfriend is gorgeous.

How many other GM’s are out there helping in drills? I liked seeing that.

Belichick

Last time I tried to help the cops hauled me away

Cool/weird to see Myles Garrett teaching Nate Orchard how to get out of his stance.

Okay, that was painful.

--I remember waiting for the NFL draft thinking about where I would get picked. I did not get chosen. I did not even get a FA invite. The [censored] hurt. I felt so bad for some of those guys.


--I am always amazed at how well the cut players respond to being cut each year on Hard Knocks.

----I would hate to have Elliot Wolf's job.

--It was kinda cool to see how mature Myles is. He was giving Orchard advice. He was teaching.

--The show was well done, but it left me feeling sad.

Funny to see Hue Jackson's reaction to the Khalil Mack trade. He traded for Carson Palmer!

Never, ever pass up an opportunity to get a shot on Hue.

I felt really bad for Orchard and Cajuste. I still think that Cajuste can play in the NFL. I hope we bring him back after Steelers week.

BRO has some talent, but like they said ... it's really hard for an undrafted QB to make a roster. I think his girl was more broken up than he was. (though I'm sure he was dying inside)

Yeah, definitely a painful episode ... as expected.


Oh, and I bet the players get a heads up in advance ..... like "Hey, if you do get cut, remember, you might be on tape for the rest of the league to see".

Weird that the guys claimed off waivers also earned their stripes.

I kind of had the same thought.

It was tough knowing the ending before watching the movie. Felt really bad for Cajuste and Orchard, they both seem like great guys. I often wonder if "it's a business", and numbers, are more important than taking 5% of your roster to instill the values of family, being a good person and the attributes of "hard work".

Nassib has been portrayed as a rather strange (if not abrasive) individual. He was 100% class act with coach after the news.

I gained yet another new appreciation for Hue... how he handles himself and his passion for his players.

It was interesting watching Garrett with Orchard. I almost felt desperation from both parties and feel like the moment may have painted a larger picture of Orchard not being able to adapt to what was being coached from the top down.

Haley to the team... "You're still competing, and you need to understand that it's not just with the people in this room."

Looking at how this whole "cut" has gone down - and having a bird-eye view from Hard Knocks, it's easy to see the process here. We've have identified a number of players on other rosters that would simply replace those on the bottom of our depth chart if they became available. Maybe just knowing the "ceiling" of those already here and being willing to trade it for "upside" elsewhere. I feel that a successful NFL franchise must always gamble (to a reasonable extent) on upside, especially on the cheap and at the bottom of the roster.

I think our guys get it... and I think they work toward these answers in harmony. Dorsey and Hue seem to get along, the process seems to work. Dorsey seemed more excited than most others about Cajuste, yet he's gone, a consensus outweighs any arrogance of the individual.

I'm glad we got to experience Hard Knocks. I think it was an intelligent decision by our organization. Hard Knocks had Dez Bryant banging on the door... and getting turned away. Everybody is pulling for the Browns, the whole world wants to cheer for us... don't see how that can be a bad thing.

Put on your orange colored glasses and wear them with pride... the worst of the storm is behind us. Or should I say - get your testicles in the B gap, it's time to go to work.

Is it normal to have different stances for run and pass plays like Orchard said he does? Myles Garrett seemed shocked by that.

I'm not sure, but it certainly can't be a great idea if it's so drastic that it tells your opponent what you're thinking before the play starts.

And that you know you are slower out of one stance.

Great point I’d never thought of ...

The fact we “know” a players upside since we see him every day and only have “tape” on others teams players so were gambling they have more upside than our guy ...

Never thought of that ...

TY sir ...



LOVE IT ... BOUT TIME ...

Its the right way to do it .. now lets hope there good at it ..

I don’t have HBO .. only got to see the 1st and 3rd one .. missed the others ...

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I was shocked they were having that discussion during week 4 of the preseason after playing for a year with each other.

j/c...

- Great season of Hard Knocks and likely one of the best ever.

- Hope Orchard lands on a new team and is successful. Seems like a great guy. Same as Cajuste

- Brobie better land on a new team or his girlfriend is going to ditch him.

- Bob Wylie is great.

- "Put your testicles in the C gap!"

Bob Wylie, Hard Knocks’ Breakout Star, Gets One More Moment in the Limelight

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/04/bob-wy...rce=twitter.com


By JENNY VRENTAS September 04, 2018

So it goes on Hard Knocks, and in the NFL, that we must say goodbye to some of our favorite characters at the end of training camp. Carl Nassib, the defensive lineman who moonlights as an amateur financial advisor; Devin Cajuste, tight end, devoted son and crystal enthusiast; and reserve QB Brogan Roback, who enlightened America on the correct pronunciation of TUH-rod Taylor, were all let go by the Browns this weekend as they trimmed their roster for the regular season.

But another breakout star will, thankfully, continue to be a fixture in Cleveland: Bob Wylie, the Browns offensive line coach who loathes stretching, uses film of rhinoceroses and gorillas to teach proper offensive lineman posture and went viral for a clip of his stomach moving up and down in harmony with the snap count. Set hut! (wiggle) Set hut! (wiggle). “I’m just trying to get them to move,” Wylie says. (You can now buy T-shirts, celebrating this marvelous scene.)

Offensive line coaches often do their work in anonymity, much like the players they coach (except, of course, when they mess up). Doing so is a source of pride, which is why when the Hard Knocks cameras set up shop in Cleveland, so too did a kangaroo court doling out fines to offensive linemen who sought out air time. Despite his newfound fame, Wylie says he hasn’t had to pay up so far. “They haven’t decided what to do with me yet,” he explains. “I didn’t go out of my way [to get on the show], they just videoed me.”

The cameras definitely found Wylie, and we are glad for it. But there’s plenty more about the 67-year-old coach from West Warwick, R.I., that’s been left on the cutting room floor.

“For one part of my life, I was coaching football, teaching high school economics, playing drums in a band and flying a jet,” Wylie said in a phone interview before tonight’s Hard Knocks finale. “For whatever reason, football just took over. I don’t know why. People say, How did you get into the NFL? Well, I made a pest of myself.”

There’s a lot to parse there. Let’s go one by one.

Bob Wylie became a drummer in junior high, when his dad bought him a three-piece drum set. “The next thing I know,” he says, “I was playing drums in an eight-piece brass band.” The band was called the Royal Coachmen; they played at clubs in Providence, Boston, Hartford. “One time,” Wylie adds, “we got to NYC.”

Bob Wylie became a pilot during his senior year in high school. His family used to go to an ice cream shop near an airport and watch planes take off and land. On one trip, he mentioned to his dad, “That looks like a lot of fun.” His dad had a friend who was a flight instructor and suggested Bob take lessons. Wylie saved up money from his paper route and other jobs to get an hour of flight time a week. This afforded him a certain status enviable to high school boys.

“I always got dates with the prettiest girls in the senior class. My buddies said, How did you get a date with her?” Wylie recounts. “I told them, ‘No. 1, I’m better looking. No. 2, I’m a better athlete. No. 3, I’m getting on airplane, taking her to Martha’s Vineyard for dinner, and then flying back. You are taking Susie Q to Joe’s Bar and Grill for a cheeseburger.’ ”

Today, Wylie owns a private jet, which is parked in Scottsdale, Ariz. This past summer he used it to pick up his daughter, Jennifer, and two grandkids (one of whom is named Wylie) in Nashville, and they vacationed in Rhode Island, Martha’s Vineyard, Nantucket and the Hamptons.

Bob Wylie is also an amateur magician, aficionado of disappearing card tricks, one of which he learned from the legendary David Copperfield. Wylie remembers when he had his appendix taken out as a kid and a group of Patriots players came to visit children in the hospital. So in many of the cities he’s worked in, he’s found a local children’s hospital to visit on Friday afternoons during the season, cheering up the kids with magic tricks. Last week he performed the Copperfield trick in front of the Hard Knocks cameras in the Browns cafeteria. It begins, “This is the story about the twin brothers that married twin sisters back in medieval times … ” and involves a complicated sleight of hand with only four playing cards on the table. (He’s worried this might be the infraction that finally gets him fined by his players, because he did put on a show).

Bob Wylie is a man of many talents, but he prefers to talk about his job as an offensive line coach. He never technically played OL—he was a tight end and linebacker at Colorado, but he emphasizes that he was a blocking tight end. When he returned to his hometown to teach, he started coaching Pop Warner and junior high football and worked his way up through the ranks: high school, college and the pros, in both the U.S. and Canada.

At West Warwick High, Wylie both played and coached under Frank Maznicki, who’d been a halfback and kicker for George Halas’s Bears. As a young coach, Wylie traveled to clinics across the Northeast, taping the presentations on his cassette recorder. At one, he met Jim McNally, then Boston College’s offensive line coach, and asked him to help him develop blocking rules for the plays in Maznicki’s offense.

In 1980, Wylie was coaching at Brown when he received a call from McNally. “You have to come to Cincinnati,” McNally said. Wylie’s coaching buddy was then on Forest Gregg’s Bengals staff, and discovered that their playbook was nearly identical to what Wylie brought to him several years earlier. Maznicki had borrowed from Halas, whose offense shared many of the principles and terminology that Gregg mastered in Green Bay under Vince Lombardi. Wylie told McNally everything he knew, and soon was a regular guest at Bengals headquarters.

Those trips to Cincinnati opened the door to Wylie’s coaching career in the NFL and, equally as important in his mind, the C.O.O.L. Clinic (Coaches of Offensive Linemen). For the first few years, the clinic consisted of six coaches gathered in McNally’s office; when team owner Mike Brown grew nervous that the Bengals’ secrets were getting out, they relocated to the nearby Clarion hotel. Wylie began running the clinic in 1995; this year, 450 coaches attended, together consuming 400 pizzas for lunch, about one pizza per coach. There’s really nothing else like it in football, with about two-thirds of the NFL and more than 100 colleges in the same room, a camaraderie among rivals who simply want to improve the profession of coaching offensive line.

The logo for the C.O.O.L. Clinic, which appears on polos, mugs, paperweights and Slinkies, is a mushroom. “Offensive line coaches are always left in the dark and they always feed us s---,” Wylie explains. “Well, that’s how mushrooms grow.”

Wylie previously worked for head coach Hue Jackson in Oakland. He’s proud of turning a Raiders line that had given up the fourth-most sacks in the league the season before into a unit that gave up the fourth-fewest sacks the season he coached them. This year in Cleveland he faces one of the biggest challenges an offensive line coach can have, filling the void longtime left tackle Joe Thomas left when he retired. In the mix is an undrafted rookie, Desmond Harrison, who Jackson said on Monday is a possibility to slide in at left tackle so Joel Bitonio can move back to his natural guard position. “You don't just replace the future Hall of Famer,” Wylie says. “We are working on it. We know we can put Joel out there, but if we can keep those three inside guys together, we might feel stronger doing that."


No wonder he hates loud music on the practice field. There’s lots of work to get done. And Wylie’s teaching methods, just like his opinions on stretching, are sometimes unconventional.

The gorilla teaching tape showcased on Hard Knocks has been part of Wylie’s offensive line curriculum for a quarter century, about as long as he has coached in the NFL. The tape has traveled with him. “When I look at gorillas, the way they move is what I want linemen to look like,” he says. “Knees bent, natural arch in your back, really long arms and a nasty disposition.”

Wylie has even populated the Browns offensive line meeting room with giant stuffed gorillas (and artificial trees, to create a habitat for the primates). It’s not the only interior decorating he’s done. On one wall he has players post pictures of the people most important in their lives; on another photographs of them playing football when they didn’t get paid for it. He’s set up the space like a conference room, rather than a classroom, so the players can all see each other. Offensive linemen have to work together.

Wylie is the epitome of an offensive line coach, with one glaring exception: His choice of vehicle. You know, the snazzy white Maserati he dropped off at the valet in Episode 3, with express instructions: “No Ferris Bueller s--- with this thing, OK?” Before Wylie reverts to the relative anonymity that typically shrouds OL coaches, we need an answer to this important question: Why a white Maserati?

“I didn’t want to go black, or blue,” Wylie says. Bob Wylie, Hard Knocks star, has done it again.

A couple of more thoughts/observations:

--For those of you who don't get to watch the show, Hue brought Baker and Stanton into his office and told them both that he was going w/Baker as the second guy.

--Gordon seems kinda "off" when he tries to digest a question and then speak. It makes me uncomfortable.

--It was somewhat surreal watching the team find out about Kendricks and hearing Haley ask: "is he going to jail?" Then Hue told the team about it and said "there's decisions and there's consequences," or something like that.

--The body language and the expressions on the face of Bro's girlfriend made it very clear how emotionally invested the loved ones are w/the guys who play and coach the game.

Ty sir ...

Diam, if you search on Youtube, you might be able to catch this episode.

This link worked for me:

https://gorillavid.in/1i16f2p96yvd

Other options:

https://www1.swatchseries.to/episode/hard_knocks_s13_e5.html

P.S.

It was a sad episode seeing players get cut, but like they said, it's part of the business.

Yeah, completely. It sort of reminds me a few years ago, the Indians lit up the Rangers closer on opening day, and the cameras caught a glimpse of a fan in tears. Turned out to be the closers girlfriend.

Was good to see her so happy when Brogan threw that TD though. I hope he catches on somewhere else. The dude had a good arm. Same with some of the other guys. I'm actually surprised Hue never said anything like, "Keep the phone close, we may need you later this season" to anyone.

Like someone mentioned, it's a little sad seeing some guys put in the work and get cut, while others just get picked up on waivers and get their stripes right away.

Thanks to U and 20 ... appreciatte it ...

j/c

Okay, I'm surprised I didn't see it mentioned but maybe I just look too closely at small details.

Did anyone else notice the small poster on the small conference desk is Hue's office as the players were coming in to be cut? It was too small to read the entire thing. But at the top in large letters it had an old Browns players familiar saying in quotation marks. It read.... "I'm A soldier"

WTF!!???

This last episode was my least fav, as most of us knew about the cuts. It was just okay. Anticlimactic.

“I am a Soldier, I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight.”
- George S. Patton Jr.

Thanks for clearing that up. The first thing that came to mind when I saw it was KW2.

He might have been on the wall int he TE room though. They had a photo collection entitled "Browns Pro Bowl TEs".