DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 21 Steelers 21 The Haley Factor

Please, forgive me... I know it's a dead topic but on Hard Knocks, Kendricks (the guy we let go) was shown giving good inside info on specific players and etc.

You'd think Todd would be able to that and THEN some factoring his length there and etc.

No doubt he'll know tendencies and will be valuable to the game plan.

Pittsburgh will know his as well.

Slight advantage for us IMO ... but a lot of times you can't scheme against star players like Brown, Ben, etc.

End of the day, it's all about the players executing the plays. More specifically, the QB.

I agree, but wouldn't the Steelers also know Haley's tendencies?

Exactly..and that is huge

I don't think Haley can really add anything that this team shouldn't already know.

Although, I think this game will be decided on what our offense can actually do against their defense.

I kinda think defensively we can pressure Ben into making mistakes, we'll still get beat like we do, but defensively I think we can hang in there.

I just really hope with Haley there, that maybe we won't abandon the run like it seems like we do too early.

I wonder how much them knowing Haleys tendencies is going to help them ...

Reason being is that they know his tendencies with the personal he had in Pitt ..

He doesn’t have Ben, Bell or Brown and JuJu ... a different O-Line ...

Our skill players are nothing like them ... Landry and Josh are a damm good duo but there skill sets aren’t even remotely close to JuJU and AB’s ..

Im sure it will help some .. just not sure how much ...

I think Haley came into Cleveland and has to construct a whole new playbook.advantage Haley to a degree.
Haley could not simply take the playbook in Pittsburgh and expect it
to.work it.
Tyrod isnt Ben and Hyde doesnt run like Bell.
based on the moves on offense I think and Im probally wrong....
Haley will instill a more ground based methodical attack.
Hyde and Chubb will never tear off 45 yd runs but they can wear down a defense. Johnson since his arrival is a non factor on the ground.
he will be asked to run arrow routes curls
Haley knows Taylor is not a gunslinger. he will ask Taylor to make high% throws and the WR do damage after the catch.
but anyone expecting the Browns offense to score in the 30s I dont see it very often especially going up vs the North 6 times a year

I agree that "the Haley factor" definitely is advantage: Browns.

"The Steelers are who we thought they were". The Browns are not, Haley's predictability won't be evident until a few weeks into this beast.

I look forward to Haley's use of Njoku and the other TEs. He has said that he has never had as athletic a TE room as he has here, and has whole pages of his playbook he has never been able to use before this.

I hope that's true, and he springs all kinds of new stuff on the Steelers.

I would like to see an OC use The Duke effectively ..

Not for nothing, but the Steelers D knows what to expect from a Haley run Offense. They probably know his tendencies as well as anyone, probably better.

As others said, I think the skill set of the players has more to do with Haley's play calling tendency than anything. So yes they know him, but I'd say advantage Haley as the Steelers are 'the same' as when Haley knew them and got to know their tendencies and strength n weakness.

Other factors which I think will all outweigh the Haley factor:

Player talent factor. Have we improved as much as we think we have. #1 area of impact will be the OL in protection and opening holes for a viable run game.

Player execution. How far along are we? Influencing this is the very high number of new starters on both sides of the ball.

The special teams factor. We've been god awful and not much sign of improvement this preseason.

The culture factor. We've lost for so long we have to learn to win the close games. We could have won this gig last year ... But we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

The Hue factor. How much better will he be as a HC now that he has a full time OC and better team talent?? I'm one of the hopeful ones that thinks we'll see a night and day difference from the last two seasons.

Jmo

I think that Duke's touches will probably decrease now that Hue isn't calling the plays. I posted the stats on how often Duke has been used the last two years in comparison to similar backs in the NFL.

I never understood all the complaints about Duke not being used enough.

j/c

From what I gathered, Ben wasn't happy with the Haley O because Haley liked a more ball control O. Depending more on the short pass and run game. Ben liked airing it out more and using the big play ability.

If anything, our roster seems to match up with what Haley wanted to run far more than their roster and talent did. Taylor and his style of play suits what Haley wanted to run all along.

I don't feel Haley's play calling will surprise the Steelers at all. As always, it's not nearly as much about the play calling as most fans think it is. It's all about execution.

There is so much film watching, I believe most teams know other teams tendencies without inside knowledge. That being said, Haley does know the tendencies of Pitts defense due to the fact that it is basically the same team he practiced against. The difference is the turnover of the Browns offensive players. He has different players with different skills then he had in Pittsburgh. The Steelers might know his playbook, but they are not going to know how he will use the personnel. Different skillsets for our recievers and backs than what he had in Pitt, not to mention the skillset of his new TE. Also the strengths of the Olinemen will play a factor.

IMO, our defense is going to be the deciding factor. If they can pressure Ben and slow their running game, it could be a different story than we are used to.

Glad we have Haley especially this week

I hear what you're saying bone but he always seems more dangerous when being flushed out of the pocket....broken plays have killed us.

I think the "Haley Factor" is real and important to a degree. But the OC haas to design good attacks and create matchups, but then still has to do what his players do best. Some of that may be part of the plan, and some will be. I do not think it will be a real pervasive factor. He will do what we feel is good. Hope our D can keep us in it. If we have longer scoring drives we are playing defense. Hope it works out in our favor.

I think that in addition to any insights he has on personnel on both O & D, the biggest impact might be on what he knows of what the new OC and Ben have wanted the O to be.

This can be filed under the "Captain Obvious" files, but he knows the real scoop on the divide that led to his departure, and also would have a pretty solid reason on WHY he didn't want to do whatever the changes were that Ben wanted (yet, the new OC is amenable to because it got him a promotion). I expect us to be able to use this to our advantage and exploit Haley's reasons for not wanting to do whatever it was.

With all the video stuff there is out there I doubt anyone has an advantage over someone else.

Haley is known for creating mismatches, I don't think that will change, and hey what a great tendency to have ah?

The great thing for us is its all new, no one really knows what will do yet on either side of the ball and THAT is our advantage if their is one.

Ex-Steeler Chris Hubbard, new #Browns RT, having a blast this week. "I'm telling my O-line everything I know. They're getting ALL the inside."

https://twitter.com/sdoerschukREP/status/1037378274119307264

I really liked this presser a lot..especially how he answered the question about him liking people.Might be one of my favorite coaches since "99" ...hope it transfers to the field.


www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-oc-todd-haley-press-conference-9-6