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Tyrod better look at the game film. I’m sure he missed many WRs in man coverage.

Myles Garret will end up as Defensive Player of The Year. Only way you stop him is if you hold him.

I will say this: Tyrod's inability to throw in weather is a big deal. Cant wait until Baker is ready.

Whew, that game took a lot out of me, needed some time to recover from that one. Never watched an NFL game end in a tie.

-Ward is a flat out beast and played above expectations in my mind. The guy flat out balled and was all over the field making tackles, blank coverage, and he had 2 INT's. He's already proven to me that he belongs.

-To tell you the truth, I've been suspect on Garrett at different times since he came to the Browns but today he showed me he has what it takes. Sacks plus 2 or more strip fumbles was amazing!

-Offense looked inconsistent and at times completely pathetic. Other times it was good, especially coming out for the second half we had a spark. We need to run the ball more, need play action, AIR THE BALL OUT, GO DEEP! Personally I think we should play Mayfield soon. Those throws that were missed today, some of them he would have made, and possible could have led to us winning the game.

-When the game was 21-7 I was about ready to turn it off as I was completely disgusted with the team. I give them a lot of credit for battling back and not laying down.

Especially since we play in a open air stadium by a huge lake. Just wait until it is colder and snowing.

Njoku's still a Brown so, reminding him of a missed catch accomplishes nothing.

Wait a minute, didn't Tyrod play in Buffalo? He should be use to playing in bad weather.

Garret looks like everything he was supposed to be.
Ward had an impressive opener.

Offense sucked. I don't know what Haleys game plan was ?? The D gift wrapped three opportunities to win this game and the offense couldn't do a damn thing...
Tyrod is everything Buffalo disliked....too tentative, afraid to go vertical, and then, when he needs 15 yrds to get us in field goal range with 30 seconds on the clock he throws a deep ball interception...WTF?
Oline is bad, really bad.

Penalties?? TO MANY DAMN PENALTIES!!! Do I need to say anything more? Do we hold on every kick or punt? What about blocks in the back? If I was Hue I would instill a $5000 fine on every block in the back penatly on punts and kick offs. How many false start penalties did we have...too many for sure.

The D can't stop the run but shutdown the Squeelers when they had to. They almost won the game for us. Six turnovers is impressive. Six turnovers and no win, not so impressive.

It disappointing that we didn't win after the 4th quarter effort by the defense, but it was definitely entertaining to watch. Would of loved to change the mantra from "losing in incredible ways" to "winning in incredible ways"...."tying the game in incredible ways" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Just my $0.02

My game thoughts:

Tyrod looked very bad. I admit I cannot see the WR routes/coverage but it looked like he gave up on plays too early to often and relied on his legs.

That said, I thought the line look bad at times too. Harrison looks inexperienced had Watt owned whoever he went up against. On the replays they showed, I think was Hubbard, but not for certain. There was one play where both Hubbard and Fells were on him and he still got to the QB, although TT held the ball a little too long as well.

Running game was underwhelming.

Denzel Ward had a hell of a game today against AB, I thought. What a nice day for the 21 year old.

Myles Garrett too. He needs to lessen the penalties but he is major factor. Overall the defense played well.

Anyone else concerned that on the play that preceded the blocked kick, we didn't run the clock down to 3 or 4 seconds before spiking and, instead, spiked it with 13 seconds? Neither team had a TO remaining and it allowed Pitt a final play, potential two based on what they ran. I thought that was terrible game awareness.

That's bad coaching and a reason this could be Jackson's last season if the Browns don't start winning some games.

In all of our years against big ben... I've never seen him in such disarray (kudos to getting after him)

Duke looked lost all game minus one run...him and tyrod need to get on the same page.

Tyrod looked like a rookie most of the game...idk guy played like he had a concussion. I know it was raining, so hopefully it was just that.

Our online is a mess, specially at the tackle spot.

Special teams blows, specially peppers as a returner...why was he laughing after fair catching? I would be irate with him.

Zane scares me anytime he comes out...

Bitinio looked bad, probably from having him play so much LT in camp he didnt look comfortable...hes normally our star.

Jamie collins takes a lot of bad steps, and had an easy interception dropped.

I loved the turnovers we forced...was fun to watch.

Denzel was playing the role in "man on fire" really surprised me and looked great.

TJ Carrie seemed slow to me.

Kirksey seemed slower than usual...

We cant rely on Njoku...Rickey Dudley hands and he is a horrible blocker.

I was thinking we left time on the clock so that, if we get a bad snap/hold, we can line up and try another one if we get the spike in on on time . Just a guess.

Njoku should sit. Any number of people can drop passes for him. TT passes poor to awful.


Why hold it so long? He looked indecisive and took way too many sacks today.Consider the route options. We need to run the ball better. Why did we abandon the outside? OC needs better creativity.

This is just an amazing stat. Out of 137 chances, 132 times it was a victory, and the Browns have 3 of the 5 non-victories. I don't think a team could duplicate this if they tried.

Anyone remember the play where it was 2nd and 1 and we tried a QB sneak? (and got called for illegal procedure). WTF? A QB sneak? Should have been taking a shot down field. If it misses you can go back and try and run on 3rd and 1.

This was a sad stat I heard on post game radio. I believe it dated back to 1999.....teams with a +5 turnover ratio are 134-4-1......the browns own 2 of the losses and the 1 tie.

Dang too late

I don't think they could have gotten the spike in or lined up in time to try another FG.

Yeah I see that possibility .

j/c:


https://twitter.com/DougLesmerises/status/1038899823070654465

Of course.

I wasn't sure how to feel after this one. Still am a bit confused - but here it goes:

Both teams missed multiple opportunities to close out the win. However, we were not the team that blew a 14 point lead with 7 minutes and change remaining. We made plays, BIG plays, to salvage a tie.

The defense never stopped and kept forcing turnovers. I give a lot of credit to Myles Garrett who seemed to step up to the occasion and took advantage of the opportunities available to him (as well as creating some of his own). In OT, he forced Villaneuva to tackle him to the ground, putting the Steelers in a 1st and 20 and derailing what I thought would be their game winning drive. Big day for 2017 #1 overall and what a difference he makes to this team. Garrett showed the type of drive and results I want to see as we continue to change the attitude and culture of this team.

Flash came up big on his TD catch. Amazing play.

I do not have an issue with Hue keeping 13 seconds on the clock. If he had run it down to 3 seconds and we had an offensive penalty as we try to spike it - game over with no chance to win with a FG.

The offense will get going soon enough. I don't want to make too many judgments based on one game in poor weather. I loved seeing the team come out in the second half and drive all the way down the field for the score. Of course, that next Steeler's drive killed the team's momentum a bit - but the D kept their head in the game.

I said in another thread I am not looking for moral victories this year. Maybe I should rephrase - I expect results in the W column, but I saw a lot of positives today that have me excited.

And yes, I thought the yellow laundry was a little unfair towards us, but it also seems the refs were just flag happy in general.

What a crazy, crazy game.

Genard Avery is the perfect pass rush compliment to Garrett. If we get even a little pressure up the middle, its game over because the Browns are winning the edge.

Post Game Thoughts

1. Our D definitely came to play. Garret and Ward were both great picks for us and made a huge impact on this game.

2. Not ready to give up on Tyrod Taylor just yet. Our OL didn't play very well, and we had trouble running the ball consistently.

3. David Njoku, I am done with this guy. He has Stone Hands, and he can't block anybody. He is a big part of the reason with our struggles running the ball today. He needs to be taken out, and a TE who can actually block someone and help set the seam for you running game needs to be brought in to replace him. Njoku looks fast, i know he looks like a physical specimen, but this guy can't catch to save his life and he gets completely run over try to block someone.This guy gets manhandled at the point of attack. Time to move on. Its time to put one of the other TE in someone who can actually block.

4. Our running game needs to be featured more. Hyde + Chubb are both gritty downhill runners, and we need to stop putting so much of the game on the back of our Qb and put the game on where our talent lies which is the running game and Defense. I know we got Landry, Gordon, and Higgins at WR, and a running game opens up BIG plays for those guys. We don't have an elite QB right now, and we need to stop playing like we got one...Taylor needs to be limited to 21-25 pass attempts per game and we need to put on the chin strap and run the damn Pigskin with our two downhill bruising RB's.

I think Haley is still getting a feel for what we have and what we can do. I think today told him he needs to rely on his running game more then he initially thought coming in. Expect to see us run a lot more against the Saints next week.

I was listening on Sirius radio when the Garrett flag for sacking Ben occurred, so I didn't see it. Did he deserve to be flagged for sacking Ben or was this a case of the new rule being as bad as it looked on Thursday nights game, when Atlanta sacked Foles only to get flagged for driving him into the ground and later that same game, Philly did the same thing Ryan, no flag.

He tackled him and landed on him with his body weight. It's against the rules now, but there sure wasn't any intent to injure nor did it look malicious in any way.

I thought it was kind of a crap flag. He hit him, and landed on him. But, I guess the rules have changed.

Garrett, in no way in my opinion (and yeah, I'm biased) put extra emphasis on landing on him. He just landed on him.

If TT completes just 2 of those short throws or hits one of his completions in stride, we win this game handily.

You can't hit him low, now you can't tackle him high because your own inertia is going to carry you onto him. If you don't hit Ben solid, he's not going to go down. If they keep this rule, they should just put flags on the QB and quit calling this tackle football.

Happy Birthday!

Happy birthday, jfanent!

Catch the damned ball, njoku!!

Just like last year,we were competitive because the stealers SUCKED.

Ward and MG were good though...
Our LB's are not that good.

What is most disapointing is that Haley couldn't come up with a good plan against a D he knows like the palm of his hands....

Gordon and Landry are not stiffs, and Pitt secondary is not that good.

- Tyrod is not a good player
- Njoku cost us
- I've never experienced a tie, which is such a weird feeling

Yeah, but the only stat that matters is the scoreboard, and we almost had that one to the point that they didn't have it either so...

The defense is just going to have to come out and get 6 turnovers against the Saints to get into the win colum next week.

They should get the ball to Rashard Higgans and Duke Johnson, and all of the tight ends more on offense.

Soaking wet after that game even in rain gear.

- Outstanding performance by Ward even giving up the one TD to AB. He was left on an island for much of the game, especially late.

- Myles Garrett is a beast. Made impact plays and helped change the course of the game.

- Great job by the defense as a whole.

- Looked like the Steelers jumped just before the snap and were all over Bitonio before blocking Gonzalez's FG.

- Rice stood out making tackles on ST.

- Landry made some great catches today. He had his man beat bad and Tyrod under threw him still made the catch though.

- +5 in the T.O. category and we didn't win (at least we didn't lose).

- Njoku was very disappointing.

- Special Teams was bad.

- Tyrod missed a number of receivers today. Weather was obviously less than ideal, but if he can't make plays he's not going to hold off Baker all year.

- Desmond Harrison looked better in the second half.

- It was a big step forward for the Browns just to comeback and tie the game and not give up.

- I paid $21 for a bloody mary at the game. Not sure what happened there. Ha!

For those OSU fans out there, didn't Tyrod look a lot like JT Barrett? Holding on to the ball way too long, not accurate, needs a wide open receiver (which rarely happens in the NFL) before he releases the ball, and does not have a feel of the game/no situational awareness. JT had great college numbers but that's only due to OSU's better talent than their opposition. Like JT, great guy, want to root for him, but he sucks. It's a matter of time before his wide receivers give up on him as well.

I thought Ward was a stud but was not surprised.

Garrett actually was a non-factory, maybe even a liability in the first half due to his two penalties, but did have a coverage sack. Second 1/2 his nuts dropped and he balled out.


Can't recall, but was Ogbah a factor or just a ghost again like preseason?

How many rushing plays was Connor not touched until he was two 6 yards down the field? Run defense was suspect.

Play calling was atrocious! Either pass, pass, pass or run, run, run. With Tyrod struggling he could have used more rpo's, quick hitters, etc. I felt that with the plays being called it was evident that the coaches threw in the towel on Tyrod. He did not play with confidence nor was he coached with confidence.

Lastly, learning how to win is an art and we clearly are not there. This game was in the bag on multiple occasions and we crapped the bed. Hopefully we get it together!!

Oh well, deep sigh, it wasn't a loss!! Go Browns!

TT holds the ball'

... and holds it

its disturbing that the 2 most talented players on.the defense played at a high level today and it still wasnt enough.
Haley looked very pedestrian in his play calling.
Almost like a 2nd yr play caller.
The pass blocking was leaky much like a roof on St Clair Av.
again the run defense was non existent.
6 turnovers and a great effort by the defense.nothing to show for it.
how many times was Gordon targeted today?
Johnson didnt do alot today. very over rated player. again he failed to do damage.

When Taylor took the shot to the head in the first quarter I think his bell got rung. Kept seeing him adjusting his helmet. Other than that, he looked like a rookie QB. Holding the ball forever. Underthrowing many passes, and being inaccurate. On replays, I saw receivers with a step, in the NFL that is open. People talk about Baker being short, but today I felt like Taylor could not see the field. I'll give him credit for his run TD, but other than that, I thought he sucked.


Denzel Ward is a star. His coverage on AB's TD was as good as it gets, just a great play by Ben and Brown. The kid is a flat out stud IMO.


This defense still puts itself in a position that if the back breaks the LOS, no one is there to stop him. I'm not sure if it is the LBs or the scheme. Stopping the run still haunts this franchise, and will keep them behind in many games.


I thought Harrison did well, minus the couple penalties. IMO, this kid is the real deal and will only get better. I think the OLine gave Taylor enough time, he just holds the ball way way too long.


Our coverage team is the worst I've ever seen. Guys constantly overrunning the returner. Peppers calling for the fair catch was absurd, if I was Hue, I would have been up in his grill for even thinking about smiling after that crap. He did the same thing last year.


All that being said, I was going to quit watching once it was 21-7, but Garret and the defense stepped it up and kept us in it. This offense needs work, and I think once the Oline gets some time together things will change for the running game. Still, Taylor disappointed me big time.


The Steelers look better than I thought they would, and that factor must be considered. But this team did not quit, and actually tried to finish. With all the newness, this can be expected. The Steelers get two free wins every year from us, and many times make the playoffs with 11 wins. The tie sucked, but I truly believe we could beat these guys.


I'm still happy we didn't lose, but a tie is nothing to be happy about, except, it hurts Pittsburgh in the grand scheme of things. They are expected to be a superbowl team, that tie could haunt them come playoff time.


Once this Oline really gels, I look for our run game to be top tier. As for Taylor, I don't know. We have the tools, if he can use them, I see Mayfield being brought in sooner than we think.