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I don’t get why people get mad at that. The REFS cost us AT LEAST 14 points.

In a close game like that it seems pretty important. Yes we still could’ve won but if the refs do their job we win handily.

One day we will get the calls. Gotta get wins and become more profitable/popular first and earn it the hard way though.

On Njoku's first pass the defender clearly led with his helmet. The other was the penalty on Gordon for unnessasry roughness. Just [censored] poor calls. I was pissed early, and thought that cost us some points. But later in the game, they began calling bad against both teams. They didn't cost a win, but thye didn't help either.

Where do you get 14 points from? I thought Haden interfered with Josh on the deep throw to the end zone. What else did I miss?

I forgot that one, he had his arm around Gordons head climbing his back. The others I noticed were many times on Conner's runs, the replay would show guys pulling on jerseys.

j/c:

--Tyrod was the same player that I have been trying to say he was. Tough, good runner, can throw some nice deep passes, doesn't turn it over much. On the other hand, he holds the ball so damn long, bails from the pocket before he needs to, waits until guys break wide open, and is inconsistent w/his accuracy. Frustrating.

--I hope the dissing of Ward is finally over. The guy can cover. The guy can tackle. He's a stud.

--I was disappointed w/Myles and then all of a sudden, he went beast mode.

--Duke wasn't used much, just as I predicted.

--Our DTs are kinda weak.

--Le'veon who?

--Mitchell played well. So did Randel. Our secondary is so much better than last year.

--The OL gave up too many quick pressures.

--We had too many penalties. So did the Steelers.

--Chubb might be a liability in pass protection.

--Gordon w/a great grab, but he looks slower.

--Landry's toughness and feisty attitude is a welcome addition. Plus, he can catch the ball.

--Njoku w/two more drops.

--Higgens had a nice catch. Changed gears to get that one.

--Jamie Collins is so overrated.

--Chris Smith played well.

--Avery had a couple of nice pressures.

--We are definitely better, but I wonder if our QB is going to hold us back?

I think we need to get Gordon involved earlier ... quick slant, back shoulder throw, etc ... just get him going

We had them stopped for a FG on the BS Garrett late hit on Ben.
Njoku.
Missed call on illegal contact on Gordon.
Offsides and launching penalty on final kick.

That’s just off top of my head.

Mistakes happen, I get that, but one or two unimportant ones a game, not 5+ on key plays.

I’m not gonna whine about it. We STILL could’ve won, but to deny it seems silly (not saying you are)

In the history of the NFL teams with +5 Turnovers in a game are 136-4-1
The Browns are the tie and TWO of the losses.

That’s beyond improbable statistical outcome. To me a variance like that would deem an investigation of cause.

Vers, I was thinking about you the whole game. You called it with Taylor, and you are spot on.

Njoku is a big disappointment. I hope DeValve gets up to speed quickly.

As for the DTs, Meder was missed IMO.

I agree about Bell. His time in Pittsburgh is over. He will be another in as long line of good backs that leave Pittsburgh and are never as good.

The penalties are maddening.

I also think Collins did little in this game, and is overrated.


If Taylor doesn't turn it up a notch in getting rid of the ball, I would not hesitate to play the rookie, at least he gets the ball out quickly. Receivers were open, or had a step, and he just held the ball.

I agree.

His underthrow of Gordon was inexcusable in that situation

Just about every run replay they showed for the steelers there was large handfuls of jerseys and tackling in the backfield, it was just stupid.

For once the tailgate was not better than the game. Defense was the shizzle, Offense needs some help.

Couldn't agree more. Was at the game... my son and I looked at each other and said "don't you just throw it as far as you can?"
A blind man could have done better. Hate to pick on one play but inexcusable is by far the best analogy.

That said, being live, receivers were covered very well most of the day, as someone else said, Gordon basically looked slow. Tyrod was LATE every time it would have made a difference, some of the plays were pathetic. When there are 50,000 people screaming and it still takes you another 1/2 second to see it... Houston, we have a problem.

our WR were struggling to get open, but when they did, TT underthrew them...every.single.time....

Also wasn't Calloway invisible? I saw him on special teams once.

yep

All the WRs were invisible today, apparently.

Interesting bit of information from Jason Lloyd's Final Thoughts at The Athletic re: the blocked FG....

It’s also so Browns to use the same snap count on the kicking team for the whole game. So after the Steelers heard it three times on all of the extra point attempts, they knew it for Zane Gonzalez’s 43-yard attempt to win the game late in overtime.

A number of Steelers, including T.J. Watt, got off the ball so quickly that Jackson thought they jumped offsides. They didn’t. They just knew the snap count. Watt and friends were on top of Gonzalez instantly, and Watt got a hand on the kick, which appeared low from the start. One of the players on the kick team told me they didn’t change the snap count all day.

“Probably should’ve went with the double flash,” he said.

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.@JasonLloyd__ with a GREAT nugget from #Steelers locker room in which #Browns used same snap count on kicks, they picked it up and were able to jump on the 42-yard try in OT. Um, that's coaching folks. Attention to detail.

If anything, I really dislike Amos the ST coordinator. Our STs were horrendous. Completely undisciplined. Bad coverage. Watching Peppers fair catch the last one was painful. He had like 15 yards there.

So, are you guys still glad we fired Seeley?

Hopefully Ogbah is okay. He was injured early and only played sparingly the rest of the way. He drew a hands to the face call on one of them in which it showed him up close and in slow mo, and he didn't look comfortable out there.

That's a damn shame, because he slides inside when Avery gets on the field and does a pretty effective job.

I love it. I'm super happy for Avery. Great kid, and he already looks fantastic out on the field.

Oh no

What an emotional event... Early on I was excited because the Browns were staying in the game. Then the Steelers opened up a 21-7 lead and with our offense not doing much, I assumed it was over and settled in to looking at the positives.. defense leads the come back and I get excited again.. thought we were going to win... then p'ed off because I was pretty sure we were going to lose... then excited for a win... then p'ed off because we were going to lose.. then almost nauseous because we had one last chance to win... then...


a tie. WTF? None of my emotions were prepared for that.

Did anyone else feel sad watching Joe Thomas comment on the games on Twitter? I definitely did.

Meh....

It wasn't just kicks. They seemed to do the same thing on Defense in general. A couple plays the defense would just rush right in just as the snap was about to go because we wouldn't disguise out snap count. Then again, when we get 5 or so false start penalties, we probably have to keep it simple.

I can't believe Jarvis Landry had over 100 yards. I saw his statline on the bottomline of the redzone channel and was legit shocked. He didn't seem like he had that many yards while watching the game.

I'm shocked the passing game in general had over 100 yards.

It seemed like Taylor got into more of a rhythm towards the end of the game.

Momentum is a sham. We ran the ball down the Steelers' throat during our first touchdown drive and then their first play with the ball back -Smith-Schuster went for like 80 yards.

The call the irked me was the missed holding call on that long scramble by Ben that led to a TD. It was pretty blatant hold by the Wr and was right in front of the ref.

Let's be honest, that wasn't the Steelers best game and I think that was because Our D did a pretty good job.

I really got to hand it to the D and then the O for capitalizing on a couple of turnovers.

We were down by 14 late in the game and the D gave us a chance. The O did their job and scored. By all rights, Pittsburgh had us against the ropes and we fought back to at least tie.

Should have won. Pittsburgh should have won as well.

Nail biter till the end.

I see potential

Yup ... a sham ... just like trap games ...

Did u watch the packer game by any chance?

j/c:

After having some time to put things in perspective, I am more positive about this team than before the game.

We went up against perhaps the most talented offense in the entire NFL. They were 13 and 3 last year. They are 3rd or 4th in regards to Super Bowl favorites. And the Browns held their own. We didn't lose. We showed we belong.

I know a lot of people have scoffed at this notion the last few years, but it's hard to overcome losing in such epic proportions. This team is going to have to learn how to win. It's the next step.

We were not outclassed on the field yesterday. The talent levels looked to be even. In the past, it was always evident that we were inferior in terms of talent.

We finally have some impact players. Guys who can change the game. Ward, Myles, Juice, and perhaps Gordon are those types of players. Our overall team speed is much better.

We have some holes and this is a process, but I feel that we have a very good coaching staff and the makings of a good roster.

We just need to win a couple of close games to help get this thing turned around. Winning--and losing--is contagious. I am more positive about this team than I have been in a long, long time.

yes, it would be nice to WIN those games ... sounds simple, but that's the difference.

For example:

- Njoku CATCHING a simple pass
- Myles Garrett not SHOVING a guy in the back and understanding the situation
- RBs knowing which defender is their responsibility on blitz pick up
- Not false starting TWO straight plays
- Making a chip-shot FG
- Not fair catching a punt when nobody is within 15 yards

Just small plays that loom large for this team ... happened again yesterday. We were just "fortunate" to earn a tie because the Steelers were not willing to do their usual.

Postgame thoughts -

Steelers did everything they could to lose the game, and we're not quite good enough to capitalize. Better than before? I am comfortable saying that. Good? I am not on the isle yet.

D-backfield looks much improved. So, that's good. Run defense not so much. We got gashed a few times, not sure if it is poor tackling, bad angles, or what. We cannot rely on a +5 turnover margin each game, we need to clean some things up. Of course, we may need +6 or +7 to get a win.

O-line. Bad. Really bad.

Reading that thing about the same snap count on all kicks, smart move by the ST coach. Never happy we got rid of our old ST coach, even less happy now. But the left side of our line should have known the count as well and maybe stopped someone from getting within reach of the holder while that kick was on its way.

Taylor - held on to it way too much. Sometimes he had no time, sometimes he did.

Penalties - sigh.

But, on the plus side, we did not lose. Was with some Steeler fans yesterday and our side was a lot happier with the tie than they were. ... Typing that out made me a little sad. This team has beat lower expectations into us.

Did see some good things, it was not all bad. But when an opponent hands you a game, it would be nice to take it.

I think some of those turnovers were because we forced them rather than the Steelers handing them to us.

--Ward read Ben's eyes, and left his man to dart in front of AB. That wasn't a gift. It was a sensational play.

--Myles beat his man off the LOS and punched the ball out of Connor's grasp. Again, we forced it.

--We hit Ben on the Schobert interception. Again, we forced it.

--We hit Ben and caused him to fumble. That is another forced turnover.

There is reason for optimism. We just have to "learn" how to win.

Cap , seems to me we ran a bunch two tight end sets to help out the crappy OL play ?? Whom ever thought Fells is a blocking TE is just a wee bit off the mark.