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Ya think , lol ..

TJ Watt was obnoxious. He thinks he's his brother.

just substantiates my point, that no matter what, Pitt still would not have had a chance to make a play. smh

He looks like it so far.

Post-game comments:

What a crazy freakin' game. I was amped out of my mind during the end, I loved it. At least we tied the mighty Steelers. Not bad! The blocked punt killed me, but let's remember: This is still the Browns.

About 5 or 6 wins seems about right to me. And at least one tie.

He certainly played a better game than JJ did yesterday. TJ is already a stud.

And at 21 or 22 where they picked him at? hes performing like a top 5 pick should perform. Don't get me wrong. ill take Myles over him any day of week and twice on sunday. But the kid is a beast. Man, just think, we could have had HIM AND MYLES.....

But I don't know if that's on Hue, necessarily. I'm guessing Haley is in Tyrod's ear. If so, Haley should be saying don't spike the ball until there is three seconds or whatever. He needs to be aware of this too.

It was just botched all the way around, IMO. Gladly it didn't end in a disaster.

Typically, and I maybe wrong, but from I understand, Hue would give the order on what he wants to do.

"Take it down then kick" etc....

The Coordinators then rely the plan to the team.

Regardless though, this is Hues seat and Hue's ship. He is responsible for everything that happens on that field. That's just a fact.

Harold Landry and TJ Watt falling so far will shock people in 10 years. Watching TJ Watt fall to Pittsburgh in real time was like experiencing the Ludovico technique from A Clockwork Orange It was very painful to watch.

Insert drool...

Blew my Damn plan right outta the water.

And by Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick.

the Browns let a golden oppurtunity get away.
beat a AFC North divison foe at home and go 1 and 0.Steelers face KC next week
and are in endanger of losing to a team that light up the scoreboard.
now the Browns could be 0 1 1 by the end of next week. Brees is hard to beat at home.
this team defensively is rising but the offense is disorganized.
Hubbard gave up 4 sacks .
Gordon targeted only 3 times in 60 snaps.
you cant reply on your D to get 6 turnovers every week.

Haven't seen a Browns game that fun in a few years...So definitely a step in the right direction. The ending had me numb...as I always believe if you dont win, you lose...plain and simple. We have a lot to work on, and hopefully we can take strides of improvements through the year. And I agree, I see about a 5 or 6 win team as well.

I would say the Titans game where we came back and won.

I saw the Browns find a way to lose. 6 turnovers by the defense and you lose and dont kid yourself, a tie is a loss. no one in that locker room felt like they won a damn thing and all had that same face we have seen far to often.

I saw Gordon and Landry in one on one situations for 70 freaking mins and a QB that couldnt or wouldnt get them the ball. This thing was painful to watch. I will be honest, we went to overtime, i thought the only chance we had to win the game was a defensive score.

Anyway penalties, horrid QB play once again, kept the Browns out of the win column. Hue has the team going the right way but he made the choice to give Taylor all the reps and make the last minute change at LT.

not to mention after having success running the ball we didn't go to the PA a single time..either they have zero confidence in TT or we have alot more issues on offense

However, the Browns forced 6 turnover yesterday after forcing a total of only 13 all of last year.

We had 7 or 8 new starters on offense yesterday, and that takes time to gel. The gel had less turnover, but still had almost a whole new secondary. There are 2 potential true superstars in Garrett and Ward, along with some real talent carrying over from last year in players like Ogbah, Coley, Ogunjobi, Schobert, and Boddy-Calhoun, and new additions that look good in Randall, Mitchell, and Avery.

Many .... OK, some of us have said that this team has had an upheaval in personnel, and it's going to take some time to get all of the players on the same page, trusting one another, and reacting immediately, instead of over-thinking everything. I do think that there was a lot of over-thinking, especially in the 1st half.

I think we'll improve dramatically as the season progresses, and the team gels. (barring, of course, major injuries)

We made him look like his brother.

I think he'll be a handful for any team... guy looked non-containable at times.

Charlie Frye was holding the ball for an eternity yesterday. He made his OL look far worse than the way they played.

Yeah, he’s gonna torture me for years. He was my top pick in the draft. Hadn’t shouted at my TV that much since we didn’t take Roethlisberger. Steelers or Ravens always seem to take the guys I want. Then he gets the block at the end just to add insult to injury.

I hope Jabril “Fair Catch” Peppers can step up his game to make the pick less painful.

I just read this in a Pluto column:

Larry Ogungobi had 7, yes 7 tackles, and a sack from his DT position.

That's just incredible!

Enjoy guys, I know I sure did. Every big play by the D week one:

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/video/every-big-play-by-browns-defense-week-1

Thank you.

Can someone tell me how Hue botched the end of the half?

He didn't block better.

A postgame thought...
What the heck was up with the yinzers’ RB’s hair?! Conner looks like he got a haircut at a school for blind barbers. That mop was beyond mullet, I don’t even know what to call it.

https://www.12up.com/posts/6166552-steelers-rb-james-conner-is-rocking-the-weirdest-haircut-ever

...

wasnt that Danny Sheltons 3 yr total as a Brown??

Yeah. I guess to each their own. Only thing I could come up with was his barber was buzzing the hair, then got to deep, and said "Uh....hey, you care if I .....uh...."





On the sack of ben, when he stumbled, and #65 crawled to touch him on the head, did you see ben get up and basically ask for a late hit/roughing call?

Browns did everything they could to lose the game, and Steelers were not quite good enough to capitalize.



#tied

Brad Seeley? Dude hasn't coached us for, like, 5 years. Left with Mangini because Shurmur's stupid ass wanted the guy we just fired.

Just about everyone loved Seeley

Not when the tackles were 5 yards after the LOS.

From reading the play by play, this certainly is not the case.

He had 1 sack, 3 tkl, and 4 assist.

Connor rushed for over 130 yards - our run D needs to step it up.

I heard that on the radio on the drive back home today.


A clear coaching goof up. Our staff isn't interested in paying attention to details. Those are the little things, but little things matter. Sorry, that comes from the top. The CEO sees those trends and gets them corrected. Also, I did kick in HS. The ball always come out a little lower when it is wet. The ball is heavier and will slide a little when struck. Unless it puts things out of range, you might want to back up a half yard to a yard from the 7 yard norm. That is probably more on Zane than anybody. He shows the holder where to spot the ball, but good coaching helps drill the point.


Also....what happened? Hue said Josh wasn't going to start for the last several days, that he had to earn a starting role, but Josh was out there on the first play of the game.

Did Haley disregard what Hue said or did Hue not notice who was on the field?


LOL

Telling folks Josh wouldn’t start and that he would be on a snap count was the SMART THING TO DO ...

Not sure why you think thats funny and/or dumb ...

The less info an opponent has on u the better .. deceiving them in that regard is not only smart but prudent ... you’d be a MORON to tell them the truth ...

Josh Gordon starting vs. Steelers was 'a mistake' and a 'miscommunication' with Todd Haley, says Hue Jackson | cleveland.com
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/hue_jackson_attributes_josh_go.html

BEREA, Ohio -- Hue Jackson said Josh Gordon starting the Steelers game against his wishes was 'a mistake' and attributed it to 'a miscommunication'' with offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

Jackson had adamantly stated several times over the past two weeks that Gordon wouldn't start because he hadn't been here and other receivers deserved the nod.

"The game's overwith now, so to talk about it, what's it going to do? Nothing,'' he said Monday in his press conference. "So I've dealt with it. We've worked through it. It's done with. We move on.''

After the game, a 21-21 tie with the Steelers, Jackson revealed that he wasn't aware Gordon would start until he trotted out for the first play in a jumbo formation -- Gordon wide left and three tight ends stacked on the right. He's given Haley full control over the offense, both personnel deployment and playcalling.

"The personnel group got him out there on the first play,'' Jackson said Sunday night. "I saw it just like you did. Not what I wanted, but we will get through that, too."

Gordon disappeared from the lineup for the rest of that series and the next, almost as if Jackson had ordered him back to the bench for awhile.

"As I said last night, again I don't want to keep elaborating on it -- the personnel, obviously as you guys saw, Josh wasn't in quite a few play after that,'' he said. "The personnel that we were using obviously called for him to be in the game (on the first play). We could've switched that up. That's all. That's all it was.''

On the rest of that drive and the next one, the Browns were primarily in two or three receivers sets, with either Landry and Antonio Callaway, or Landry, Callaway and Rashard Higgins.

On the third drive, Gordon went back in and played the rest of the game. In fact, he played 69 snaps for 78%.

"Yeah, I wasn't surprised by that,'' Jackson said.

Did Haley know that Jackson had stated several times that Gordon wouldn't start the game?

"That game's over with,'' said Jackson. "To keep talking about that does nothing, nobody any good. He played the first play, didn't play for however many plays after that, there was a mistake in that and we've moved on from it. That's it.''

What happened in the Browns 21-21 tie with the Steelers?

Despite his 68 snaps, Gordon had only three targets and one reception - the 17-yard touchdown catch from Tyrod Taylor to tie it at 21 with 1:58 left in regulation. Was Tyrod Taylor just not seeing him?

"I'm not going to say we're not seeing him,'' said Jackson. "We've got to play better offensively, just overall, everybody. We've got to get him opportunities, where he can make plays, him, David (Njoku) all of them. I mean, we've got to get our skill guys going and moving in the right direction.

"That's a whole unit issue. I don't think it's one particular player. I don't think it's just the quarterback or those guys individually. I just think it's a unit issue that we've got to continue to address and get better.''

Gordon admitted after the game that he was as surprised as everyone else that he was in on the first play.

"Yeah, when I was told, initially I didn't plan on it,'' he said. "But I just hopped in for one play and came back out, went right back to the game plan."

He acknowledged, "sometimes the game plans change."

Gordon's appearance in the starting lineup came after Jackson gave a several minute soliluquy on Wednesday about why he absolutely wouldn't.

"I know that everybody maybe doesn't understand it,'' he said. "'Josh Gordon is back. He should walk right back out there and start.' I'm not about entitlement for players. I'm about work. I'm about when guys are here, the guys that have been here the whole time working and busting their tail - and they are on the team and they play receiver, too - that if a guy is ready and up for the game, why should I start him in front of them when they have done the most work?

"Right is right. We have to have some form of how we do business here in our building. Our players know that. That's not new. I just wanted to make sure that you guys knew that he was not going to walk right out there first. It did not mean that he wasn't going to play. I never said that. He's just not going to start. I think that's the right thing to do. We have rules ofhow we go about our business in our locker room. Our players get it and understand it.

"They know how this works. [Externally] we're making a little bit more about it than what it is.''

Asked that day if Gordon could possibly play on the second snap, he said, "it depends on the personnel group.''

The Steelers game marked the first time Haley, new this year after getting fired by the Steelers, called plays for the Browns. It's a obviously a work in progress between the two coaches, and will likely evolve over the course of the season.

As far as the snap counts, they were probably worried that changing up the snap counts would create even more false starts.

It's something to work on during the coming week.