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Here is article written by a Cuban-American sports reporter in Miami. I will simply post the link because there are a ton of ads, videos, previews of other stories, etc in the article. I do think it is worth reading the article because it provides some perspective of how hypocritical and uneducated Kaep's views on Castro and the USA are. To be clear, this was a man who escaped Castro's country that was rife w/oppression, brutality, and repression. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article117033883.html
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j/c So... this came across my infowire today. It was written by a Browns fan who regularly posts on another message board. It presents an angle that has never been covered at this address. Just saw a very interesting piece on when trump owned a USFL franchise - the New Jersey Generals - back in the early 80s.
Stop me if any of this sounds familiar...
He signed Doug Flutie to a huge contract & then demanded that all the owners of the other franchises pay Flutie's salary.
In other words, he decided something & tried to get others to pay for it...like a wall. And Mexico.
He then told the other owners that he would "guarantee" that the league would get a TV contract in the fall, and given such, he wanted money from them to help consummate the deal.
There was no TV deal.
And two years later the league folded.
Not to be deterred, trump sued the NFL. And...he won.
He was awarded three dollars and 76 cents in damages. And was banned from ever owning an NFL franchise.
Now here we are, three decades later, and looky there...who is trump taking on for the whole Colin Kaepernick thing?
The NFL.
I will wait for the light to go on in everyone's head here. In the meantime, lemme help -
It has nothing to do with respecting the flag or honoring the troops. It has everything to do with being humiliated over his lies three decades earlier.
Facts are stubborn things, folks.
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Dude, he destroyed the USFL. Literally made every wrong decision they could. Like 1 of the decisions might've stunted the league, but all of his decisions just destroyed it.
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Great post!
He bankrupted a football league and is now trying to tell others how to run theirs. You can't make this BS up! Sounds like a whiny little.....
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I think the documentary of how he ruined the USFL is on Netflix. Wanted to go up against the NFL in the fall rather than keep the season when it was.
and that was the end of that.
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I think the documentary of how he ruined the USFL is on Netflix. Wanted to go up against the NFL in the fall rather than keep the season when it was.
and that was the end of that. He couldn’t even make money in the casino biz. That’s unheard of. HELL, everything TRUMP touch’s turns to crap.
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I think the documentary of how he ruined the USFL is on Netflix. Wanted to go up against the NFL in the fall rather than keep the season when it was.
and that was the end of that. He couldn’t even make money in the casino biz. That’s unheard of. HELL, everything TRUMP touch’s turns to crap. Except the US economy which is absolutely rolling!!!
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I think the documentary of how he ruined the USFL is on Netflix. Wanted to go up against the NFL in the fall rather than keep the season when it was.
and that was the end of that. He couldn’t even make money in the casino biz. That’s unheard of. HELL, everything TRUMP touch’s turns to crap. Except the US economy which is absolutely rolling!!! he inherited the economy.
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I think the documentary of how he ruined the USFL is on Netflix. Wanted to go up against the NFL in the fall rather than keep the season when it was.
and that was the end of that. He couldn’t even make money in the casino biz. That’s unheard of. HELL, everything TRUMP touch’s turns to crap. Except the US economy which is absolutely rolling!!! he inherited the economy. He inherited the slowest recovery in history 2% annual growth for a number of years. After the tax cuts 4.5% growth. Obama said the manufacturing jobs would never come back. With Trump in office they came back. Lowest unemployment in US in over 40 years.
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it doesn't change the fact that everything trump touts on the economy were trends already started under obama.
unemployment rate dropped under who?
black/latino unemployment dropped under who?
the economy started rising under who?
also, do you realize during the last job report, we lost 3000 manufacturing jobs? guess were most of the jobs added are in?
healthcare, tech, financial services.
just like under who?
say it.
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and then after say his name, then explain why trump had to bail farmers out.
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and then after say his name, then explain why trump had to bail farmers out. Voldemoort! Beetlejuice! There, I said his name. Don't know why he had to bail farmers out, but I also don't know why Obama couldn't have cut the corporate tax rate enough to repatriate all that Apple and other corporate money either so... How about the fact that Apple is building that huge facility here?
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why cut taxes?
seriously, the economy was/is rolling. there is zero reason to cut taxes, especially with all the corporate welfare they ALREADY get.
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JC http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-28/news/mn-519_1_leader-nelson-mandelaMandela Lauds Castro as Visit to Cuba Ends : Diplomacy: ANC leader cites the Communist revolution and says, 'We, too, want to control our own destiny.' July 28, 1991|RICHARD BOUDREAUX | TIMES STAFF WRITER HAVANA — South African anti-apartheid leader Nelson Mandela ended a three-day visit here Saturday after an unhesitant embrace of Cuban President Fidel Castro's Communist revolution, which he called "a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."
"We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious, imperialist-orchestrated campaign," Mandela told a rally at which he was Castro's honored guest. "We, too, want to control our own destiny.
"The most important lesson that you have for us is that no matter what the odds, no matter what difficulties you have had to struggle under, there can be no surrender," he added. "It is a case of freedom or death."
Mandela, president of the African National Congress, arrived in Cuba from Jamaica on a Latin American tour. He left to lobby Brazil, Mexico and Venezuela to maintain sanctions against South Africa's white minority government even though the United States has lifted them. He is also urging support for his call for a national unity government in Pretoria to supervise elections and constitutional reform.
But no persuasion was needed with Castro, who brands apartheid "a creation of Western capitalism and imperialism." Mandela's Havana stop was like a love fest between two revolutionaries who had long admired each other but never met.
"Cuba is our second home," Mandela's wife, Winnie, said while touring downtown Havana. "We feel we have always belonged here."
During his visit, Mandela thanked Castro's government for supplying arms to the ANC in the early 1960s and said the writings of Che Guevara, the guerrilla hero of the Cuban revolution, had inspired him during his 27-year imprisonment. He said the Cuban army's resistance of invading South African forces in Angola during the 1970s and '80s had strengthened the anti-apartheid cause and led indirectly to his freedom.
Castro's "consistent commitment to eradicate racism," Mandela said, was especially valued after the Bush Administration, "without consulting us, merely informed us that American sanctions (against Pretoria) were to be lifted." Easing sanctions is "completely unacceptable," he said, until the recent repeal of apartheid laws succeeds in dismantling South Africa's practice of racial separation.
Mandela wore a Cuban guayabera tropical shirt Friday night to a rally in the city of Matanzas marking the anniversary of a 1953 guerrilla assault that led to Castro's seizure of power six years later.
Hugging on the dais, the two men made an odd couple. The gray-bearded Castro, 64, has become ever more isolated in the world over the last two years. Allied Communist regimes have collapsed across Eastern Europe, and the Soviet Union, his principle benefactor, has cut back its aid, intensifying the impact of a 30-year-old economic embargo by the United States.
Mandela, nine years older than Castro but trimmer and more youthful-looking, has grown in international stature since his release from prison nearly 18 months ago. He is perhaps Castro's most powerful ally.
Grateful for distinguished company, Castro awarded Mandela the Order of Jose Marti medal, Cuba's highest honor. During a ceremony Thursday dedicating installations for the Pan American Games, which Cuba will host next month, Castro complimented his guest for maintaining "an athletic figure" during his years in prison.
"If you want an example of a firm, valiant, heroic, serene, intelligent and capable man, this example, this man, is Mandela," Castro told the televised rally.
Mandela has been criticized by Western governments for his friendship with Castro, Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat and Libyan leader Moammar Kadafi, from whom he accepted the Kadafi International Prize for Human Rights last year. Amnesty International and other rights groups that protested Mandela's imprisonment have censured Castro's one-party system for jailing his opponents and stifling dissent.
Speaking to reporters Saturday before leaving for Venezuela, Mandela refused to endorse such criticism.
"If there is a diversity of opinions about Cuba, I understand that," he said. "The people of South Africa and the ANC are entitled to have our own friends and allies . . . and in this particular case, Cuba is our friend.
"We are now being advised about Cuba by people who have supported the apartheid regime these last 40 years," he declared. "No honorable man or woman could ever accept advice from people who never cared for us at the most difficult times."
Mandela warned repeatedly that the ANC might abandon talks with South African President Frederik W. de Klerk and resort to "other options" if he refuses to negotiate on an interim government.
Referring to admissions of secret government funding for the ANC's main black rival, the Inkatha Freedom Party, Mandela charged that the government is trying to harass and weaken his movement. "These revelations have strengthened our demand for an interim government because what we've been saying all along, that the government cannot be a player and a referee at the same time, has now been fully corroborated," he said.
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and then after say his name, then explain why trump had to bail farmers out. Voldemoort! Beetlejuice! There, I said his name. Don't know why he had to bail farmers out, but I also don't know why Obama couldn't have cut the corporate tax rate enough to repatriate all that Apple and other corporate money either so... How about the fact that Apple is building that huge facility here? fwiw, Obama's stance was questioning the legality of how repatriated taxes. They were trying to fight the idea that American companies can hold their IP through companies hiding in tax havens thus not pay American taxes on IP created in America. Quite frankly, letting companies take that money was the government robbing the people.
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why cut taxes?
seriously, the economy was/is rolling. there is zero reason to cut taxes, especially with all the corporate welfare they ALREADY get. You’re lying to yourself son, it was not rolling.
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why cut taxes?
seriously, the economy was/is rolling. there is zero reason to cut taxes, especially with all the corporate welfare they ALREADY get. You’re lying to yourself son, it was not rolling. Yes it was rolling.. Very well in fact. Unemployment was low, (yes it's a little lower now) The stock market,,, let's just look at the Dow only. Jan 20, 2009: 7949.09. Shortly thereafter, it dropped to it's lowest of somewhere in the 6000 range. Jan 20, 2016: 19827.25 That was during the Obama years and look at the growth without a tax cut for the wealthy and corporations like Trumps that will/are sending us into debt at record rates. In Barack Obama’s last 16 months in office, the number of jobs in the US increased by 2.4%. In the first 16 months of Trump’s administration, jobs rose by 2.1%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Keep in mind where both men started.. Obama entered the office with a recession in full bloom. Trump entered office with the economy humming right along. Obama had to dig us out of a mess created by the previous president, but you didn't hear him tear down Bush like Trump does. Obama wasn't a little baby. What you are told about the Obama admin are lies..told by a president that can't tell the truth about anything.. even the stuff that is insignificant. So keep telling yourself that things are greater than they were... The facts simply don't prove that.
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A noble effort, but you're wasting your time. Fax<FOX.
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it doesn't change the fact that everything trump touts on the economy were trends already started under obama.
unemployment rate dropped under who?
black/latino unemployment dropped under who?
the economy started rising under who?
also, do you realize during the last job report, we lost 3000 manufacturing jobs? guess were most of the jobs added are in?
healthcare, tech, financial services.
just like under who?
say it.
Not really to pick a fight with you Swish, because your points are true, but I just can't help but sigh when people throw this stuff out there without taking into account where we were in 2008 when Obama took office. Like the Browns with a 2017 0-16, if we get 1 win we've improved, if we get 3 wins how awesome, if we get 6-7 wins we still have a losing season but that's an huge increase from the previous season. So while I do credit Obama with presiding over, and helping to perpetuate an increasing economy and job market, to make it appear like he is the architect and sole reason, is to ignore the facts and circumstances.
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why cut taxes?
seriously, the economy was/is rolling. there is zero reason to cut taxes, especially with all the corporate welfare they ALREADY get. You’re lying to yourself son, it was not rolling. “President Trump would need a magic wand to get to 4% GDP,” stated President Obama. I guess I have a magic wand, 4.2%, and we will do MUCH better than this! We have just begun. -President of the United States of America Donald Trump
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That was for one quarter. Under Obama the GDP was above 4% in three different quarters.
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I learned it from how you post about Trump. If he had said it, you would be crying LIAR!
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I learned it from how you post about Trump. If he had said it, you would be crying LIAR! And I would be right over half the time.
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A noble effort, but you're wasting your time. Fax<FOX. I know, but I feel I must try LOL
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why cut taxes?
seriously, the economy was/is rolling. there is zero reason to cut taxes, especially with all the corporate welfare they ALREADY get. You’re lying to yourself son, it was not rolling. “President Trump would need a magic wand to get to 4% GDP,” stated President Obama. I guess I have a magic wand, 4.2%, and we will do MUCH better than this! We have just begun. -President of the United States of America Donald Trump because obama used sound economic policies. Trump gave billion dollar corporations more money through the way of tax cuts. remember, thats how bush "grew" the economy as well, and we all saw how that turned out.
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The Council of Economic Advisers is currently holding a Press Briefing showing how you are all factually incorrect (Lying) in thinking Obama's economy is responsible for today's successes of the Trump economy.
Tune in, get an education, for groping in the dark for acorns whilst howling at the moon is not necessary.
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it doesn't change the fact that everything trump touts on the economy were trends already started under obama.
unemployment rate dropped under who?
black/latino unemployment dropped under who?
the economy started rising under who?
also, do you realize during the last job report, we lost 3000 manufacturing jobs? guess were most of the jobs added are in?
healthcare, tech, financial services.
just like under who?
say it.
Not really to pick a fight with you Swish, because your points are true, but I just can't help but sigh when people throw this stuff out there without taking into account where we were in 2008 when Obama took office. Like the Browns with a 2017 0-16, if we get 1 win we've improved, if we get 3 wins how awesome, if we get 6-7 wins we still have a losing season but that's an huge increase from the previous season. So while I do credit Obama with presiding over, and helping to perpetuate an increasing economy and job market, to make it appear like he is the architect and sole reason, is to ignore the facts and circumstances. but he is the architect, at least as far as getting the ball rolling and the growth. and you need to remember, throughout these threads, i have given trump credit for at MINIMUM, not screwing the good things up. i have stated repeatedly that even the harshest Trump critics must admit that at the very least, the tax cuts didn't hurt as of yet. im simply combating the people who think Trump is the sole reason and the architect for why the economy is the way it is, which you have to acknowledge seems to be most beliefs from trump supporters. and btw FF, what happened to all the conservatives who wouldnt stop complaining about the rising national debt when obama was in office? trump added a trillion + to the debt with the tax cuts, and not one word out of conservatives about it. Trump is on pace to shatter obama's golf outings, has already spent more on security than obama. all these things conservatives wouldnt stop whining about. now? its dead silence. can you explain that?
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and btw FF, what happened to all the conservatives who wouldnt stop complaining about the rising national debt when obama was in office?
trump added a trillion + to the debt with the tax cuts, and not one word out of conservatives about it. Trump is on pace to shatter obama's golf outings, has already spent more on security than obama.
all these things conservatives wouldnt stop whining about. now? its dead silence. can you explain that?
I don't need to explain any of it, because I live in reality and know he nor Obama are solely responsible for any of it, and ultimately I don't really care what over-zealous pundits on either side think. If people would quit hardlining everything and realize that almost everything in life is based on more than any one single factor, and that to make a better America, we need to quit arguing about the past, and start working in conjunction for our future.
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Please.
We can’t stop arguing about the past because too many can’t even acknowledge basic facts about the past and how it still effects us today.
And since we can’t even do that, we already know what the future is: a bunch of events happening in America because people refuse to learn from the past.
Financially we might be dominant compared to the rest of the world. But morally? Socially? There’s third world countries more united than us.
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The Council of Economic Advisers is currently holding a Press Briefing showing how you are all factually incorrect (Lying) in thinking Obama's economy is responsible for today's successes of the Trump economy.
Tune in, get an education, for groping in the dark for acorns whilst howling at the moon is not necessary. hey, it's not us saying it, it's the department of Labor Statitics.. You can't deny that the Dow was at 7949.09 on Jan 20, 2009. It's a fact. You can't deny that the Dow was at 19827.25 on Jan 20, 2017. It's a fact. you can't deny that that were lost during the end of the Bush Admin were returned and beyond during the Obama admin. It's a statistical fact. What Obama didn't do is provide a TAX cut because once the economy turned, we need to bring down the debt. Trump comes along and we get a tax cut and guess what, the biggest winners were those that are wealthy.. Statistical fact. Can't be denied. Debt and Deficit are climbing.. Statistical fact.. You can't deny it. National debt under Trump topped $21 Trillion for the first time ever. I'm not sure how much higher that is from when Trump took over, I seem to remember $19 Trillion, but I'm not sure. Obama did indeed add $9.3 Trillion over 8 years to the National debt, Can't deny it, but look at the hand he was dealt. You come into office with the country bleeding 600,000 or more jobs a month, GM and Chrysler and many banks ready to go under, not to mention all those companies that rely on those companies and banks for business. Tell me, how do you stop the bleeding? You spend money. Can't deny it, it's a fact. Couple all that with this tidbit of info: "Council of Economic Advisers. The Council of Economic Advisers, an agency within the Executive Office of the President, is charged with offering the President objective economic advice on the formulation of both domestic and international economic policy." These are the Presidents Boys, and as we've already found out, anyone associated with this president will lie to keep him happy. So, what they have to say has little to no value
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Please.
We can’t stop arguing about the past because too many can’t even acknowledge basic facts about the past and how it still effects us today.
And since we can’t even do that, we already know what the future is: a bunch of events happening in America because people refuse to learn from the past.
Financially we might be dominant compared to the rest of the world. But morally? Socially? There’s third world countries more united than us. Which ones and please provide links. 
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Cuba. And multiple other places around the world.
You want a link to divide? Please.
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