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Nope, he isn't the only one, I just assumed nobody was silly enough to be serious that he should start.

At the EARLIEST, I could not see him going in before the Bye. Absolutely in no way would I consider it before then unless injury forces the issue.

Yeah, well, Michael Vick wasn't know for his solid decision making... he was known for rushing into things.

Baker isn't ready yet.

I hear you.

I just hope we don't rush Baker out there before he's ready. Now, I am not sure that he isn't ready, but there are a few indicators to suggest the possibility.

--Trading for Tyrod. Dorsey was probably aware that he was going to draft either Baker or Allen, and that both would need time to be developed due to their offensive systems in college.

--Naming Taylor the starter before competition.

--Baker not recognizing simple edge blitzes in preseason that even a dummy like me could see coming.

--Baker's eyes not scanning the field quickly in preseason. He got rid of it quick if the first guy was open, but struggled if he wasn't.

I just hope that we don't cave in if he isn't ready. Like I said earlier, he has some real skills. He impressed me w/those skills this preseason. I just don't want to ruin him by putting him in behind a questionable OL and a team w/a ton of new pieces if he isn't ready mentally. Bad, bad habits can be developed.

LOL..............I didn't watch the video, because any video that has Skip Bayless, Shannon Sharpe, and Vick is to be avoided.

This is important.

It's amazing to watch the kneejerk reactions from game one. To other fan bases and media, a rough start to the season is just to be expected.

I'll never understand why our fans can so easily go from "The rookie needs time to develop" to "start him" in just a week. Yeesh. We'll throw Mayfield out there, he'll play like a rookie, we'll need to trade him for a 5th and draft a new quarterback next year to repeat the process.

It's a new offense. New players, new system. And it just went up against the Steelers (2017 top 5 against-pass defence) in horrific conditions for throwing the football - and the offense was still productive in general. Taylor put up 270 total yards and 2 TD. The backs combined 30 rushes for 100 yards (3.3 per carry) and 1 TD.

Clearly, not a masterclass of NFL offense, but a pretty solid overall effort given the opposition and the conditions. The play was relatively mistake free.

Combine that with the little things. Njoku had two drops (One a damn circus catch, admittedly) that would have totalled about 40 yards. Landry had a drop that would have been a few yards. Haden got away with a clear PI on Gordon in the endzone on a deep shot. Of course the penalties putting the Browns in tricky conditions. Etc.

Improvement from the offense is required, but this wasn't close to the worst performances we've seen from a Browns offense. Overall, a reasonably productive day while trying to be conservative. The Steelers were more productive, but their aggression also cost them the game.

Soeaking of nonsense that included the refs, did ya'll see that they admitted their mistake?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...s-myles-garrett

I don't get why people are so down on Taylor. He isn't a franchise quarterback, but he's allowing us to hopefully develop out franchise quarterback while providing reasonable play. That game was more than reasonable given the circumstances.

I hope Jackson, Haley and Dorsey don't cave in to the idiotic pressure.

I think the majority might be silent in this case.

BM showed some good stuff in the pajama games at the beginning of the season, but he also got confused by some pretty vanilla defenses and showed a bunch of parts of his game that he still needs to work on. He's not ready and most of us know it.

I think most of us are pretty numb to the "We gotta start {insert shiny new QB here} right now!" posts though.

After all, this is Cleveland and we've been through this 1000 times. All the arguments are the same, just the names change, and no matter how much you try, you aren't gonna convince the other guy that Jamarcus Russell isn't the second coming of Johnny Unitas.

It is what it is, and some guys want to open their Rockem Sockem robots on Christmas Eve and not wait till Christmas day.

Some of us are just tired of arguing the same thing again when we know what the results will be.

Good post. You are probably right.

I've just seen how these things gather steam. Remember last year? You and I were both against starting Kizer. We both said he needed time to develop. Dude didn't even have a snap count at ND. Well, the media and fans started the buzz and sure enough, he ended up starting.

But, in retrospect, I think you are right about the silent majority. That was a good point.

I think the Browns as a whole have went out of their way to point out they aren't going to succumb to that kind of pressure this year. Now that might change if someone gets nervous about their job or something, but I'd bet money against even odds that BM will sit most of the season unless TT gets hurt.

That is another point. As much as Taylor runs and as physical as he, [he trucked poor little Artie Burns] I kept worrying about him getting injured.

He's been very durable, but man, he puts his body at risk.

I do believe, judging by his slides thereafter, he trucked because it was close to the goal line and only that reason. I sure hope so we don't need another RG III.

The last two games he's played in he's landed on that non throwing hand and tweeked his wrist.

Taylor getting hurt early would be the worst thing in the world to happen to Baker right now. Every time Taylor runs I'm thinking about it.

When Fitzpatrick has that ol Fitzmagic going he can be a decent qb for stretches. Then one day he turns into Nathan Peterman, and it is all over.

Nathan Peterman doesn't even want to be Nathan Peterman right now.

I don't think Baker is ready yet, I'm not sure Tyrod is ready yet either. He sucked something awful on Sunday. 6 turnovers from our defense, I saw some stat that where teams with 4+ turnovers were ~125-4-1 and we accounted for 0-2-1 of those...


Meanwhile Darnold and the Jets just steamrolled the Lions.

I am also in the category that I hope they wait to start him until he is ready, but I'm not so sure that day isn't today.

I do think that he needs to see and process (on the sidelines, and in film session) more of the more complex defenses the NFL will throw at him. However, I also have to consider that he has handled everything thrown at him. He had some issues reading defenses, but he seemed to get better, and faster, at doing so as the preseason progressed.

I have this gut feeling that he'll be ready before too long, if he isn't ready now.

Hmmmm.............I thought his best performance was his first game.

I hope you guys realize that teams weren't disguising coverages and running exotic blitz packages in preseason. Right?

Dude was missing out on simple stuff. Give him time.

We had five turnovers and tied... almost lost... Taylor needs to play better...

Oh I realize that. He just seems to handle everything well at every level of his career.

Now I look at the start of the schedule, and the Steelers would have been a tough 1st start ......

and I have to say that watching Darnold, who I really wanted at #1 ..... makes it hard to accept Baker sitting on the sidelines.

Darnold's game tonight means almost nothing as related to our current QB situation.

Fixed it.

I can wait for Baker to be ready, even if it means losing. What I can't wait for is for Baker to shut the haters up. He is going to be a franchise QB and a winner. Period.

The sun will shine a lot brighter sunday. Tyrod will play better against the Saints folks... There I have no worry!
Our OL will have another week to jell. Harrison played absolutely as good as one could expect with all things considered. I have seen Wiley vets suck it up worse week 1. The kid will be fine.
The offense as a whole will be lights out better this week. Mark it down.
TT just keep the boat on path and win 5-7 games this year and just like the kid from KC that Dorsey drafted... Baker then will be ready to play.
We still have umbrellas on the beach for any late arrivals and don't forget happy hour . It's coming soon !!!

I wouldn't be that sure....

Yeah, you can't compare Darnold indoors against a terrible Lions defense to our game in a windy ass downpour vs. an elite team. Darnold sure did take advantage of the situation and looked good doing it, except for that first toss.

Either that or become the most idiotic pick in the NFL history...

I'm a strong critic of the BM pick, although after seeing Ward ball, I'm giving Dorsey the benefit of the doubt on BM.

Still he looks very pedestrian, IMHO, but with QB's you never know.

It's way too early to compare the rookie qbs. It blows my mind when some state that he is a great qb and others say he pedestrian before the dude has even played in a game.

Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but we had 6 turnovers. We were +5 on the turnover differential.

I don’t think he’s ready mentally ... was very slow processing on some plays ... i think its IRRELIVENT ...

Our announcer made a GREAT STATEMENT that really summed up what I’ve been trying to tell Peen about NFL teams incorporating more running plays for QB’s like they do in college ..

He said “if u keep putting your QB in danger, danger will come” ...

I doubt Haley puts him in danger often but he runs an awful lot ... when he holds the ball to long and he takes off that usually leads to a hit as opposed to a slide ...

He’s gonna get hurt .. lets hope its later as opposed to sooner ...

J/C...

Listening to Hues presser yesterday he explains that the whole offense as a unit needed to perform better. I agree with a lot of Hues comments on the game.

It was the first game for many players. It's a good presser if you haven't listened to Mondays presser from Hue . He talks about the jitters and the amount of new players on this team.

I was more concerned about the terrible refs then anything. Here's a link to listen to it if you wish.


Hues presser

Exactly... Lions are serious contenders for 0-16.

j/c

I'm amazed at some of the comments coming from both directions. Proclaiming Darnold as a great QB or future franchise QB is premature and lacks the quantity of evidence to make such a claim.

The same holds true for Mayfield in either direction. Anyone saying he'll be a franchise QB or a bust is operating on faith, not evidence. There's no way anyone has enough evidence to make such an opinion in either direction and can only come to either conclusion by emotions alone.

alot of qbs in their 1st career starts look good because there simply isnt game film on them to process and analyse what their strengths and weaknesses are.
true test of a young qb is how is he doing after 10 to 24 starts.
Josh Freeman looked good after a couple starts. look at Dak Prescott. hes regressing.
the jury is out on Mayfield and Darnold.

If you are referring to my statement "but nothing about his first game as a pro has dissuaded me from believing Darnold is going to be a superstar." I never said Darnold WILL be great, I said I BELIEVE he will be. I am careful about my choice of words, and I am entitled to believe whatever I want to believe, just like everyone else is.

So please, if you are referring to my comments, make the distinction between "I believe he will" and "he will."

Brady Quinn had a monster game against a Detroit team with a poor defense.

I think Taylor and the offense will play better. We're talking about a QB that just got brought in. He's had basically no time with Gordon, and only the offseason with the rest of the WRs.
Our Oline was finally settled (officially) the Friday before the game (Harrison). Zeitler has been out, and I believe is still not 100%.

This offense needs some time. I'll start digging out my pitchfork and torches around midseason if they still look like they did this past Sunday.


Re: Mayfield.... The absolute earliest I'll be able to stomach seeing him starting would be after our Oline starts to gel. Taylor did hold the ball too long, but there were also too many times he had defenders in his face immediately after the snap. Oline has some solidifying to do. Harrison was better than I feared, but he's got work to do (and I think he should continue to do it as the starter).

I've seen that folks keep saying this in various spots around here, but they had pretty much the entire Spring together. All of the OTA's and minicamps they were all there and working together. It ain't the same as training camp, but it's a far cry from them not having any time together.

Basically, Gordon got an extra three weeks away from the facility, but he was still working. That's about all it amounts to.
He doesn't have much RECENT time with Gordon, and even that is now several weeks in the rear-view mirror.

My post was a general reply to those who base their opinions on "feelings" when there's actually not enough facts to base their opinions on. If you fall into that category consider yourself included. lol

BTW - If I intend for a post to be directed at you specifically you'll be sure to know it. I'm certainly not bashful nor evasive.

I for one was not pleased with Tyrod Taylor on Sunday (flash backs to watching JT Barret at OSU), however I hope we stick with the plan to keep Tyrod starting and Baker Mayfield learning on the sideline. I hope Tyrod improves in NO this Sunday.

Not only is Baker not ready, I think that his personality is perfect for the "wait your turn and learn approach." He's a smart football player that is very competitive and not starting is further igniting the fire in his belly. Some young back-ups would pout or become complacent, others like Baker, go to work.

j/c

Even tho I love TYROD he cost us the game pure and simple get used to it