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What is it with this team and Phil Dawson? The guy has been pitiful for two plus years. I'm sick of people talking about his high percentage, most of that was achieved in his early years, and tha fact that the Browns constantly kicked field goals in the redzone due to not being able to punch it in.
I wish too god that they would pick up a new kicker if just to challenge Dawson. He claims he was in a slump last year, but it's been a couple years since he has been consistent.
I know a bunch of people will come on here and try to defend him as usual, but his miss last night is just picking up where he left off last year. Some have tried to blame different holders and othewr things, when the reality is he is getting older and his leg is weak.
There has got to be a FA kicker somewhere that can make kicks inside the 40. Phil has done good in the past and I give him credit for that, but he has become very inconsistant, and with a young team like we have now, we need consistency from the kicking game.
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He claims he was in a slump last year, but it's been a couple years since he has been consistent.
Do you mean in 2005 when he was 27/29 he wasn't consistant?
Don't get me wrong though, I am worried about the kicker position, and I am all for bringing in another legitimate kicker to compete with Phil. There is no excuse for all the misses last year and the miss last night. I hope I'm wrong, but it looks like Phil's picking up where he left off last year w/ all the easy misses.
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I'm sick of people talking about his high percentage, most of that was achieved in his early years
His best percentage year was in 2005.
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He claims he was in a slump last year, but it's been a couple years since he has been consistent.
Not true as his highest percentage year was 2005... I think he had a down year last year, but if he has another low 70% I'm ok with finding someone new
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when the reality is he is getting older and his leg is weak.
He did have a 51 yard FG last year FYI which almost ties his career long of 52 yards. He's never had an overly strong leg. He's known more for his accuracy.
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There has got to be a FA kicker somewhere that can make kicks inside the 40.
Most FA kickers are FAs for a reason.
I'm ok with bringing someone in to challenge... I think every spot should be like that. But there are no FA kickers out there better than Dawson IMO. Personally I wouldn't mind drafting one late next year if Phil has another down year.
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Last year was one of his worst years... but he has been solid for us. I'd like to see if he can turn it around before throwing him under the bus.
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Anyone know much about Ainsworth the guy we have now.
is he a rookie? is he a PS player?
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Anyone know much about Ainsworth the guy we have now.
is he a rookie? is he a PS player?
He's a rookie out of ASU
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I think one of Phil's kids may have been ill last season. That may have had an effect on his kicking.
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Statistically, last year was his worst year. He's missed one FG this year in preseason and you want him gone..
OK,, you want him gone,, propose who we could get instead,.,name one... Be my guest..
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so we can PS him and maybe he can take over soon if Dawson falls off
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waste of PS player.... just resign him later in the season... no one will pick up a kicker and put them on their PS... those 8 spots are too valueable
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He is right. I think Dawson will come back strong this year however. Give him a little more slack before you decide to give him the ax..
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waste of PS player.... just resign him later in the season... no one will pick up a kicker and put them on their PS... those 8 spots are too valueable
One team cannot sign a player away from another team's practice squad and simply assign him to their own by replacing another PS player with him.
If a team signs away another team's PS player, that player must be added to their active roster .
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Statistically, last year was his worst year. He's missed one FG this year in preseason and you want him gone..
OK,, you want him gone,, propose who we could get instead,.,name one... Be my guest..
One problem, there isn't anyone to suggest. 
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One team cannot sign a player away from another team's practice squad and simply assign him to their own by replacing another PS player with him.
If a team signs away another team's PS player, that player must be added to their active roster .
I know? that's why I said resign him?
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Isn't Mike Vanderjagt still a FA?
I was hoping we would have gone after Mason Crosby with one of out late round picks but GB snagged him up.
I've been down on Dawson for a few years so I have no problme with bringing in someone to compete.
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Your kidding.. 
That nutcase "idiot kicker".....I'd rather keep the Ainsworth guy.
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amen to that...
I think everyone needs to put the torches and pitchforks away turn aground and go back home...Dawson is going to be fine this year... kickers legs don't go bad after 8 years in the league. He's got at least another 8 left in him. I don't know why everyone is saying his leg is going on him. He never had an overly strong leg. He has always been an accuracy kicker. Last year he kicked it 51 yards. How far do you want a kicker to kick the ball?
He had some accuracy issues and he said he made adjustments this offseason. He will be fine by season time. Personally, I'm glad he got his miss out of the way in the preseason. IMHO You are going to be in for a real shock if we bring in another kicker. Cleveland is one of the hardest stadiums to kick in. We have a top 10 kicker in Dawson and bringing in some scrub to replace him will only make you pull your hair out later in the season when they go 18-27.
In the offseason here were some of the Top FA kickers available. One of them i believe we already had on the team in Jeff Chandler. Not exactally what I would call a great list to choose from. In fact there really isn't anyone on there that I think could come close to Dawson. The two that kinda come close to him are either past thier prime as a kicker or mentally unstable...
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One problem, there isn't anyone to suggest.
Mark my words, Phil WILL return to his old form of being known as "Ol' Reliable"....
Thank you for getting the point I was trying to make.. Right now, out there in FA Land, I can't think of a single guy I'd rather have than Phil Dawson.
Keep in mind that what I'm really saying is, if there were an obviouis upgrade out there, then I'm all for it. But I just don't see anyone available.
As for him returning to be his old reliable self, that would be just great..
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Dawson is not going anywhere unless he suddenly blows up.
It was disappointing to see Dawson miss the 36 yard attempt in the 3rd qtr. I don't know what happened on that kick...hold looked good...looked like he either miss judged the wind or simply hooked the kick.
But, looking at Dawson's performance over his 8 year career, his FG% is 82.1 and extra points 97%.
Just comparing Dawson's career stats to those of another good kicker, Adam Vinatieri, averaged 82.5% on FG and 98% on extra points.
Again, we are all disappointed by the missed field goal in the Detroit game, but you don't get down on a guy like Dawson unless his accuracy suddenly goes to pot.
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Just as a point of reference, there was no wind. I sit in that end and there was no breeze at all.
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I believe the team has brought in a kicker every camp to share kicks and press Phil. He has been able to fend them off every year. Just had a stinker of a year. I would have no problem, if he continues to stink it up, if they bring in a veteran kicker to try out during the season.
I am not really worried because Phil has always been pretty reliable. Hopefully last year will be behind him and he will rebound this year.
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Phil has been very reliable. The one thing I think I like most about Phil is his ability to kick the onsides ball. He gets fantastic air under it, and perfect distance, not too shoirt, and not OB.
Ainsworth I think would be worth keeping around for a year, because he is a rookie and he seems to have a good boot. He could use better touch on the onside kick since the one he kicked on Saturday had none.
I'd like to see him hang around for a year and maybe press Phil ALOT next year, and maybe eclipse him.
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Just as a point of reference, there was no wind. I sit in that end and there was no breeze at all.
You're my FIRST post...lmao...
And u being where???...Has anything to do with what is actually happening on the field ????...HOW???
Dude...U need to just shut thy mouth CONSTANTLY...
Some of us have BEEN THERE...Unreal...Keep spewin it...
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SHEP???...Where u at man??????????...This is another good one...
I'm not even gonna bother anymore with the STATS...Cause STATS are one thing with a Kicker that are GOLDEN...And Dawson has them WITHOUT DOUBT...
No leg???...LMMFAO...People...I've witnessed 60 yarders from Dawson in pre game...CONSTANTLY...
We've witnessed into the endzone kickoffs...WTF DO U GUyS WANT??????????????????????
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I think Phil should be given this season to try and rebound. He's been to solid to just throw under the bus. However, if he has another stinky year then we should look for his replacement.
Vanderjagt could be a great kicker but he's a nutjob, I think he purposely missed that FG for Indy, he had issues with Manning and Dungy. At the very least, he sure didn't give 100% effort on that kick. Also, there is a reason Dallas let him go, I really don't think Parcells would have booted a kicker with the potential and leg that he has for no reason.
Ainsworth ain't been impressive too me. I would like to see a legit prospect at K come in and challenge Phil next season.
I thought John Carney was decent?
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I thought Dawson was hurt last year but we didn't hear about it until after the season...maybe that was the year before?
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You're my FIRST post...lmao...
And u being where???...Has anything to do with what is actually happening on the field ????...HOW???
Dude...U need to just shut thy mouth CONSTANTLY...
Some of us have BEEN THERE...Unreal...Keep spewin it...
OK...I'll bite....WTF are you talking about? I posted one sentence. Which said there was no wind. That's it. Now I assume you replied to the wrong person. If not I'd like an explanation of what the hell you were talking about.
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What is it with this team and Phil Dawson? The guy has been pitiful for two plus years. I'm sick of people talking about his high percentage, most of that was achieved in his early years, and tha fact that the Browns constantly kicked field goals in the redzone due to not being able to punch it in.
I wish too god that they would pick up a new kicker if just to challenge Dawson. He claims he was in a slump last year, but it's been a couple years since he has been consistent.
I know a bunch of people will come on here and try to defend him as usual, but his miss last night is just picking up where he left off last year. Some have tried to blame different holders and othewr things, when the reality is he is getting older and his leg is weak.
There has got to be a FA kicker somewhere that can make kicks inside the 40. Phil has done good in the past and I give him credit for that, but he has become very inconsistant, and with a young team like we have now, we need consistency from the kicking game.
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What is it with this team and Phil Dawson? The guy has been pitiful for two plus years. I'm sick of people talking about his high percentage, most of that was achieved in his early years, and tha fact that the Browns constantly kicked field goals in the redzone due to not being able to punch it in.
I wish too god that they would pick up a new kicker if just to challenge Dawson. He claims he was in a slump last year, but it's been a couple years since he has been consistent.
I know a bunch of people will come on here and try to defend him as usual, but his miss last night is just picking up where he left off last year. Some have tried to blame different holders and othewr things, when the reality is he is getting older and his leg is weak.
There has got to be a FA kicker somewhere that can make kicks inside the 40. Phil has done good in the past and I give him credit for that, but he has become very inconsistant, and with a young team like we have now, we need consistency from the kicking game.
Phil Dawson needs to face the big fat boot! His age really shows out there on the field...
He's not that old, he was a rookie in '99. Only his 8th year. Kickers can last longer.
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What is it with this team and Phil Dawson? The guy has been pitiful for two plus years. I'm sick of people talking about his high percentage, most of that was achieved in his early years, and tha fact that the Browns constantly kicked field goals in the redzone due to not being able to punch it in.
I wish too god that they would pick up a new kicker if just to challenge Dawson. He claims he was in a slump last year, but it's been a couple years since he has been consistent.
I know a bunch of people will come on here and try to defend him as usual, but his miss last night is just picking up where he left off last year. Some have tried to blame different holders and othewr things, when the reality is he is getting older and his leg is weak.
There has got to be a FA kicker somewhere that can make kicks inside the 40. Phil has done good in the past and I give him credit for that, but he has become very inconsistant, and with a young team like we have now, we need consistency from the kicking game.
Phil Dawson needs to face the big fat boot! His age really shows out there on the field...
Age isn't a factor with a kicker, look at Morten Anderson, Jon Carney, Jason Elam....
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He's 32 going on 33...and well he's not that good of a kicker...I think we all can agree to that. And I said HIS age...those other kickers obviously have skill and can be 60 and still kicking good...haha.
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He has to do backflips Juggle poles that are on fire and he should have had a TD on his run against the Raiders, he obviously didnt because he doesnt have the leg to do it and he is an old fart. He hasnt been the most consistent offensive threat we have had since our return. He is just a dirty old man that cant kick. All other NFL kickers are in another league compared to Phil. He should be working at Burger King. Jesus, its like Browns fans see one negative thing about a player and he has a thread about him needing to be cut. Especially a player that has done nothing but keep us on the score board since our return. A week ago he was back in the saddle after having a good game. This week he should be cut....
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Daman, when other player's talent wanes they are replaced, why not Dawson? He was bad all of last year, and yes his miss the other night lends me to believe he needs replaced. Your comments about me wanting to cut him is not what I was saying. You first have to have a replacement, and the last time I looked it wasn't my job to find one. My opinion was I think he's done, your reply is what I meant about the love affair with some of the players this team has kept a little too long IMO.
Dawson reminds me of McCutcheon. Good player that's time has passed, but a fan favorite who will always be excused for poor performance by using PAST achievements.
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Your kidding..
That nutcase "idiot kicker".....I'd rather keep the Ainsworth guy.
I get the idiot kicker thing but why is he a nutcase? Is there something I don't know about the guy, apparently?
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I wasn't going to even acknowledge your juvenile reply, but you acually sound like a high schooler, a girl at that. Maybe you should have used the word "like" a few times.  X2 to you.......there you feel better now that I'm on your level
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Again, we are all disappointed by the missed field goal in the Detroit game, but you don't get down on a guy like Dawson unless his accuracy suddenly goes to pot.
You mean like last year? Call it a fluke, blame it on personal problems, or anything you want, but the fact is that last year he was NOT a consistent kicker.
What I find funny, is the list of kickers above were all good at one time, but now they are not. But almighty Phil could not possibly be added to that list
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Punters kick 60 yarders in warm up too. Big deal. I've watched Dawson miss short and long kicks. easy ones and long ones. All this does not mean he can still do it.
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Stats from two years ago don't mean squat. What about last years stats, if they are so golden?
You've witnessed endzone kicks, and I've witnessed botched chip shots, so what point are you trying to make, besides that you think you know it all?
Why you calling Shep? Because I started a good debate that you don't like? I thought this was what this board was for. Or is it just for thing YOU feel are debateable?
I stated my opinion about Dawson no being very good anymore. You bring up his past, while I'm using the present and a less distant past.
If you feel it is not a good post ignore it, instead of trying to be somekind of board police. I have respect for Shep, and if he feels this thread is not worthy, I'm sure he doesn't need a wanna be like you reminding him. Buzz Off!
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Jesus, its like Browns fans see one negative thing about a player and he has a thread about him needing to be cut. Especially a player that has done nothing but keep us on the score board since our return. A week ago he was back in the saddle after having a good game. This week he should be cut....
Show me where I said he should be cut. 
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and he should have had a TD on his run against the Raiders, he obviously didnt because he doesnt have the leg to do it and he is an old fart.
He hasnt been the most consistent offensive threat we have had since our return. He is just a dirty old man that cant kick. All other NFL kickers are in another league compared to Phil. He should be working at Burger King.
Jesus, its like Browns fans see one negative thing about a player and he has a thread about him needing to be cut. Especially a player that has done nothing but keep us on the score board since our return. A week ago he was back in the saddle after having a good game. This week he should be cut....
That's the problem dude... one game he's decent and the next he sucks major booty! We need a consistent kicker!
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That nutcase "idiot kicker".....I'd rather keep the Ainsworth guy.
I get the idiot kicker thing but why is he a nutcase? Is there something I don't know about the guy, apparently?
Because he can never make the big kick.
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