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I know a lot of people associate the drafted players with Sashi, but we should keep in mind he wasn't the talent evaluator and it seems many ALWAYS forget that part.

However, a lot of the guys he hired to fill that role are still here...

No one knows what the roster would look like if Sashi were still here. No one outside that front office knows if they were planning to draft Mayfield or trade for Landry before Sashi was let go. No one knows. To say it is much better than if Sashi were here is ridiculous. It might actually be worse, who knows? At least the article gave Sashi props unlike some of our fans.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm liking Dorsey so far, but as much as some people feel Hue was given a raw deal, to crap on Sashi as they have is uncalled for...

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I'm ecstatic we've won a game....but, it is ONLY that- one game. When we have a winning season I'll be happy...not content, but happy. Let's get our next one. Thanks JD for not wasting draft picks.....GO Browns!!!!


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Originally Posted By: devicedawg

No one knows what the roster would look like if Sashi were still here. No one outside that front office knows if they were planning to draft Mayfield or trade for Landry before Sashi was let go. No one knows. To say it is much better than if Sashi were here is ridiculous. It might actually be worse, who knows? At least the article gave Sashi props unlike some of our fans.

Here is what I know. Sashi had the opportunity to draft a top flight quarterback. During two off seasons, Sashi refused to do so.

I also know that after two years in charge of the roster, in 2017 Sashi had put together one of the worst quarterback rooms in the history of the NFL.

While he did pick up some fine players, he utterly blew the quarterback position despite multiple chances to do something right.

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I'm ecstatic we've won a game....but, it is ONLY that- one game. When we have a winning season I'll be happy...not content, but happy. Let's get our next one. Thanks JD for not wasting draft picks.....GO Browns!!!!


Sashi won one game in two years.

Dorsey has clearly upgraded the talent and if people can't admit that, they are clearly blind or not speaking the truth.

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I think that Sashi did manage to get some useful players.

Zeittler
Tretter
Higgins
Njoku (talented but inconsistent)
Devalve (injuries a concern, but talented)
Garrett
Ogunjobi
Ogbah
Coley
Schobert
Burgess Jr.
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Kindred
Peppers (maybe, though I am still not 100% sold)
Collins (though I am still not 100% sold)
Colquitt


That list (16, at best, at least IMHO) really pales by comparison to what Dorsey has done, though. I almost have to wonder if Brown was trying to not win, even going into year 3 (potentially) of his administration, so he could make a coaching change, despite the team being "under talent".

I think what Dorsey did was eliminate the guys who just weren't good enough, and/or the guys he (and Hue) felt couldn't step up to win games. There were really more than I thought there would be, to be honest.


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Oh crap ... i hate to admit this ... but its true ...

I can’t stand the fact he could careless about character .. I DON’T LIKE THAT ...

And i really hate to admit this ... not sure if my characters eroding or i’m justifying it with it wasn’t my decision so there’s nothing I can do about it ...

I won’t say another word about it again cause i find myself rooting and cheering my ass off for guys like Calloway ... that makes me sad in a way ... dudes defense in a sexual assault case was he was too stoned to have sex with anyone ....

Yet i cheer my ass for him ... so i’ll shut up now as i don’t feel i have the right to blast the man when i’m reaping the rewards ...

Hopefully Calloway has matured and grown up and stays out of trouble ... hopefully this is the 2nd chance he deserves ... OK about the 5th ... hopefully he stays out of trouble, then in 10 years i will feel way better about it than i do now ...

With that said ...

ARE U KIDDING ME ...

Lets see ... players he has AQUIRED that have TALENT the likes of witch we’ve never seen ...

VICE GRIPS .... ARE U KIDDING ME ... did u guys see that play that led to the tying TD ,,, and what a PASS .... device U STILL THINK WE OVERPAID DAWG? ... wink ...

WARD - man ... Vers, I still can’t believe how good this dude is ... WOW ...

Someone needs to pinch me dawgs ... i can’t believe this ...

MITCHELL ... are u kidding me ... where’s this dude come from ..... NO CLUE ... just glad he’s ours ...

GREAT FIND MR. DORSEY ...

AVERY
HARRISON
CALLOWAY
Willies - HE’S IN SMALL LETTERS CAUSE HE DON’T NUTTIN YET ... oooops ... sorry bout the caps .... I really like this kid ... watch out for him in a year or so ... i think we may have sumptin here ...

RANDALL
CHRIS SMITH - he’s a much better fit for us than Nassib ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
HYDE

Man ... I couldn’t be any HAPPIER ...

LETS GOOOOOOOooooooooo ...

I just wish I didn’t feel like I was selling my soul to the devil ...




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Nice, but we have played one more game than the other 30 teams.


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Yes that has been brought to our attention.


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Yes that has been brought to our attention.


But, they will still be in the conversation thumbsup


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Sashi gave us Kizer....#dorseyoversashi....


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Come on dawgs ... can’t we be please be reasonable here ... if not, any shot in heck we can let the FACTS do the talking ....

Sashi did the following:

- Tore down a 3 win team .... you’d think there’d be nuttin to tear down on a 3 win team, there was and he did it ...

- passed on Wentz, Watson ...

- never found a QB ...

- gave us the talent to be non competitive in a lot of games due to having the youngest and worst QB room in the history of the game ....

HE ALSO gave us

MYLES GARRETT

OBI ... WOW ... what a 2nd year jump ...

Joe Shobert ...

Make fun of the Kizer pick all u want ... i’ll Just smile and say THANK U albeit with a smirk on my face ... for giving Mr. Dorsey ALL THE AMMO HE NEEDED TO GET ONE DAMARIUS RANDALL ....

Thank U Mr. Dorsey ... glad u had the ammo ...

Say what u want ... Kizer turned into a major upgrade in our secondary .... DUDE CAN BALL

Sashi set us up to be so bad we got the #1 pick ... the #4 pick ...

Dorsey has turned #4 into PURE GOLD ... hopefully he’s done the same with #1 ...

Sashi also left Mr.Dorsey the cap space and draft picks to trade for and sign long term VICE GRIPS ...

THERE’S MORE ... BUT THATS ENOUGH ...

They were a great team .... Sashi did his job and Dorsey did his ...

Who gives two craps what Sashi would have done ... all THAT MATTERS IS WHAT DORSEY DID DO WITH THEM!!!

After literally decades of things not working out ....

THE FACTORY OF SADNESS ....

1 - 31 ..... 4 - 44

Historically bad for any franchise in any sport ...

And now FINALLY .... FINALLY .... we have HOPE ..... we have TALENT .... and everyone sees it .... and we actually may have a QB that can start for more than 1 or 3 years .... theres a long ass way to go but kids GOT A SHOT ...

Damm man ... think about this for a second .... slightly over a year ago today he planted a flag on the turf in the shoe ... he planted his schools flag on your schools logo in the shoe slightly more than a year ago ... as of Thursday night that same kid will never have to but a meal or a beer in either Cleveland again ....

The facts say ot WORKED OUT A WEE BIT BETTER THAN IT EVER HAS BEFORE ..... AND POSSIBLY BEYOND ANY OF OUR WILDEST DREAMS .....

Can we please enjoy this and give it a rest til the off season ....

Geez dawgs ... FACTS are FACTS ...




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Come on dawgs ... can’t we be please be reasonable here ... if not, any shot in heck we can let the FACTS do the talking ....

Sashi did the following:

- Tore down a 3 win team .... you’d think there’d be nuttin to tear down on a 3 win team, there was and he did it ...

- passed on Wentz, Watson ...

- never found a QB ...

- gave us the talent to be non competitive in a lot of games due to having the youngest and worst QB room in the history of the game ....

HE ALSO gave us

MYLES GARRETT

OBI ... WOW ... what a 2nd year jump ...

Joe Shobert ...

Make fun of the Kizer pick all u want ... i’ll Just smile and say THANK U albeit with a smirk on my face ... for giving Mr. Dorsey ALL THE AMMO HE NEEDED TO GET ONE DAMARIUS RANDALL ....

Thank U Mr. Dorsey ... glad u had the ammo ...

Say what u want ... Kizer turned into a major upgrade in our secondary .... DUDE CAN BALL

Sashi set us up to be so bad we got the #1 pick ... the #4 pick ...

Dorsey has turned #4 into PURE GOLD ... hopefully he’s done the same with #1 ...

Sashi also left Mr.Dorsey the cap space and draft picks to trade for and sign long term VICE GRIPS ...

THERE’S MORE ... BUT THATS ENOUGH ...

They were a great team .... Sashi did his job and Dorsey did his ...

Who gives two craps what Sashi would have done ... all THAT MATTERS IS WHAT DORSEY DID DO WITH THEM!!!

After literally decades of things not working out ....

THE FACTORY OF SADNESS ....

1 - 31 ..... 4 - 44

Historically bad for any franchise in any sport ...

And now FINALLY .... FINALLY .... we have HOPE ..... we have TALENT .... and everyone sees it .... and we actually may have a QB that can start for more than 1 or 3 years .... theres a long ass way to go but kids GOT A SHOT ...

Damm man ... think about this for a second .... slightly over a year ago today he planted a flag on the turf in the shoe ... he planted his schools flag on your schools logo in the shoe slightly more than a year ago ... as of Thursday night that same kid will never have to but a meal or a beer in either Cleveland again ....

The facts say ot WORKED OUT A WEE BIT BETTER THAN IT EVER HAS BEFORE ..... AND POSSIBLY BEYOND ANY OF OUR WILDEST DREAMS .....

Can we please enjoy this and give it a rest til the off season ....

Geez dawgs ... FACTS are FACTS ...


I agree with what you said with 1 exception we need to have sustained success over time and certainly beyond a win to declare anyone a saint. I believe the trend is in that direction and its fair to give a passing grade to this point but MAN I want to see a hell of a lot more then a single win.

Hold that thought though, I think your most LIKELY right!


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I think that Sashi did manage to get some useful players.


Ytown, I didn't claim that he didn't give us some useful players. I would hope that he did given he had the 2nd overall pick and the 1st overall pick in the draft and the top picks in the following rounds.

What I said is that Dorsey has "clearly upgraded the talent." Is anyone going to deny that?

If not, I think Dorsey deserves some props.

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All those posters on this thread who truly and honestly believe that Sashi Brown will someday be hired by an NFL team to work as their General Manager, give us all a big shout out.

Anybody?

Any, anybody...

Hellooooooo?

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Oh, I agree that Dorsey should get a huge amount of credit for rebuilding a huge part of the talent base of this team on the fly. It looks like a lot of his decisions were right.

All I'm saying is that for all of his mistakes, and there were many, Sashi did manage to find us some good players.

I still, to this day, hate that he let Schwartz walk. Allowing Benjamin to leave, and really not replacing him hurt a ton, and not even offering Tashaun Jackson (who starts on a Super Bowl caliber defense in Jacksonville) a contract, was petty dumb.

I also think that he threw Hue for a loop, because Hue didn't expect to come coach a team that was gutted. I truly believe that really hammered on Hue for the 2 years Browns was here. Hue was the good soldier, but it was obvious that the team wasn't in a position, from a talent standpoint, to win.

However, it does appear that he put us on "a" road to success. He got us a fair number of really high quality players. Not the road, but there are many roads to success, and he created a situation, with draft picks and the cap, where John Dorsey could come in and get us back on our feet, and ready to win some games. I am absolutely glad we have Dorsey instead ..... but Brown did contribute, to a degree. That was my only point.


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I don’t have facts but no one can convince me that Hue didn’t have a huge say in picking /not picking qb’s.

Sashi did what he was hired to do. Tear down the team and get us extra draft picks and cap space. He had some hits and some misses in the process. Will he ever be a GM again? Doubtful because the NFL frowned on the “new” way the Browns were approaching this.

I definitely feel more confident with Dorsey running the show. He has a track record of being an excellent drafter. With Sashi , I would be cringing about every pick.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
I think that Sashi did manage to get some useful players.

Zeittler
Tretter
Higgins
Njoku (talented but inconsistent)
Devalve (injuries a concern, but talented)
Garrett
Ogunjobi
Ogbah
Coley
Schobert
Burgess Jr.
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Kindred
Peppers (maybe, though I am still not 100% sold)
Collins (though I am still not 100% sold)
Colquitt


That list (16, at best, at least IMHO) really pales by comparison to what Dorsey has done, though. I almost have to wonder if Brown was trying to not win, even going into year 3 (potentially) of his administration, so he could make a coaching change, despite the team being "under talent".

I think what Dorsey did was eliminate the guys who just weren't good enough, and/or the guys he (and Hue) felt couldn't step up to win games. There were really more than I thought there would be, to be honest.
I think that many here continue to judge Sashi as a GM. I will say it again;

Sashi was NOT a GM.

He performed many of the tasks normally associated with the GM, but he was never given, nor claimed, that title. His job was to turn the job of GM of the Cleveland Browns from toxic to desirable. And he did his job. He did the dirty work of stripping down a bad team with a few popular players into a solid foundation with young and talented but unproven players. He built a warchest of salary cap space that any GM would love, and converted high single draft picks into multiple future picks so that the real GM, when hired had tools to work with.

Yes, Sashi didn't draft a QB (or any offensive play-makers), and passed an several who would have looked good in brown and orange. But again, his job was not to be a GM, but to make the position attractive. GMs tend to be judged by the QB they bring in. If he had drafted a QB, the new GM would not have had the liberty to build a team around the QB of HIS choice.

Judging Sashi because he was a crappy GM is missing the point. His job was to turn the least attractive GM job in the NFL into a GM's dream. He did his job.


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Well, since you don't have facts......


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The fact that our first round draft picks haven't gotten suspended yet or is a douche with no heart for the game, is a testament to John Dorsey... as sad as that is.

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That didn’t last long .... like it ever had a chance .... rofl ...

Have fun dawgs ... have stood out of this for the most part ... time to head back to the hills ... not my gig ...

I’ll be over on the Isle ....

Who wants to run the boxing ring and MMA cage for those that need it ...

Pit ... u still look the same as when i met u ... if so, the jobs yours .... let me know ... *L* ...




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I look pretty much the same. May have added 10 pounds or so. But after my back surgery I'm not sure I could handle breaking up a huge melee between heavyweights anymore. lmao


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Originally Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain
Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
I think that Sashi did manage to get some useful players.

Zeittler
Tretter
Higgins
Njoku (talented but inconsistent)
Devalve (injuries a concern, but talented)
Garrett
Ogunjobi
Ogbah
Coley
Schobert
Burgess Jr.
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Kindred
Peppers (maybe, though I am still not 100% sold)
Collins (though I am still not 100% sold)
Colquitt


That list (16, at best, at least IMHO) really pales by comparison to what Dorsey has done, though. I almost have to wonder if Brown was trying to not win, even going into year 3 (potentially) of his administration, so he could make a coaching change, despite the team being "under talent".

I think what Dorsey did was eliminate the guys who just weren't good enough, and/or the guys he (and Hue) felt couldn't step up to win games. There were really more than I thought there would be, to be honest.
I think that many here continue to judge Sashi as a GM. I will say it again;

Sashi was NOT a GM.

He performed many of the tasks normally associated with the GM, but he was never given, nor claimed, that title. His job was to turn the job of GM of the Cleveland Browns from toxic to desirable. And he did his job. He did the dirty work of stripping down a bad team with a few popular players into a solid foundation with young and talented but unproven players. He built a warchest of salary cap space that any GM would love, and converted high single draft picks into multiple future picks so that the real GM, when hired had tools to work with.

Yes, Sashi didn't draft a QB (or any offensive play-makers), and passed an several who would have looked good in brown and orange. But again, his job was not to be a GM, but to make the position attractive. GMs tend to be judged by the QB they bring in. If he had drafted a QB, the new GM would not have had the liberty to build a team around the QB of HIS choice.

Judging Sashi because he was a crappy GM is missing the point. His job was to turn the least attractive GM job in the NFL into a GM's dream. He did his job.


It is possible that BOTH Sashi & Dorsey did their 'jobs'.

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We all know what the real issue was. Everyone remain calm. smile

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Originally Posted By: BCbrownie
Tainted stats.
All 3 of the Browns players have an extra game played.
Dorsey has done a fantastic job,but some of you people are getting out of hand with this feel good crap.


I know how stupid of us we should FEEL BAD about this rolleyes


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We all know what the real issue was. Everyone remain calm. smile

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We all know what the real issue was. Everyone remain calm. smile

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Love what he has done for the franchise in such a little amount of time. I can't really even knock him for the TT trade, because it was before the draft, and when you have to dump your entire quarterback room, you need to do something. It hasn't worked out, if Mayfield turns into what we all think he can, Taylor will be stuck looking for backup QB money next year.

Mayfield and Ward picks both look amazing. Long way to go obviously, but you have to be happy with the early outlook.

Trading for Jarvis Landry is a move that seems to get lost in the mix, just because there is so much other stuff going on. But wow, that one has really helped.

He doesn't get all the credit, and I don't think anyone is really doing that. Some of the guys that were drafted or brought in during the previous regime are starting to come along. I think we can all agree that we would rather have John Dorsey running this thing instead of Sashi Brown or anyone else we've had.

It would be really cool if Baker Mayfield can take the QB position by the horns and be our guy going forward. It'd be nice for a change to not have to worry about drafting a future starting QB in the draft, and start really taking the best player available, so we can build something sustainable, instead of having to reshuffle EVERYTHING every few years because we have failed at the QB spot (among others, but let's face it, guys get fired for failing to draft the right QB)


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
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It's a simple test really.

In the NFL, there are a lot of very mediocre GMs and coaches who are constantly recycled through their jobs by differing teams. There are very, very few good to excellent GMs and coaches. The bad ones are readily displaced by the churning mediocrities.

If nobody believes that Sashi Brown (or Ray Farmer) will ever again be an NFL GM, that immediately tells you that they were bad GMs. Had they been mere average GMs, they would get hired on again in the NFL mediocrity merry-go-round.

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Sashi did what he was tasked to do....he was paid well.



As someone else mentioned, many people remain.

Depo is one.....he ranked Baker as the #1 QB. Dorsey relies on him and his staff more than some want to think.


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Sashi did what he was hired to do. Tear down the team and get us extra draft picks and cap space. He had some hits and some misses in the process. Will he ever be a GM again? Doubtful because the NFL frowned on the “new” way the Browns were approaching this.

There's just one small problem...


When Sashi took over, the Browns already had plenty of draft picks and tons of cap space.

Sashi Brown took a 3-13 team and turned it into a 1-15 team and then a 0-16 team. He had draft picks and cap space aplenty in those two years to immediately make the team better. Instead, he made it worse.

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Now the argument that Sashi was not a true GM and that Hue Jackson had a lot of say in all those decisions might well have merit.

If this argument is true, what it means is that there was no one person in the Berea Clownfest who had final authority for draft, trade, and free agent decisions during those two years. Everybody just sort of "chipped in and helped out here and there."

When nobody has final authority, nobody is truly responsible and nobody can ever be held accountable.

Who were the blazing imbeciles who put together such a ridiculous and feckless management structure? Well now, that would be Jimmy and Dee Haslam.

And they still have a stupid management structure. The GM, the head coach, and the head of business operations all separately report to part time, out-of-town owners, Jimmy and Dee. (Yeesh! Even the ownership structure is divided and distant!)

Jimmy and Dee give a lot of lip service to how much they want to win. But they don't care about winning, not really. Very few NFL owners truly care about winning.

What most of them want is the social prestige that comes with being a rare member of the NFL owners club. Oh, and the automatic, guaranteed profits one gets are very nice too, good product or crappy one, it doesn't matter in the socialist paradise that is the NFL. And the financial payout from escalating franchise values is great too. Musn't forget those capital gains.

Because their focus is on money and ego instead of winning, expect Jimmy and Dee's mismanagement of the Browns to continue in the years to come. They are the real cause of all the Browns recent woes.

Farmer, Pettine, Sashi, and Hue? They're just the hired hands who become useful idiots when the occasional scapegoat is required to make a sacrifice to the rage of the fans and media.

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Depo is one.....he ranked Baker as the #1 QB. Dorsey relies on him and his staff more than some want to think.


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I think that many here continue to judge Sashi as a GM. I will say it again;

Sashi was NOT a GM.

He performed many of the tasks normally associated with the GM, but he was never given, nor claimed, that title. His job was to turn the job of GM of the Cleveland Browns from toxic to desirable. And he did his job. He did the dirty work of stripping down a bad team with a few popular players into a solid foundation with young and talented but unproven players. He built a warchest of salary cap space that any GM would love, and converted high single draft picks into multiple future picks so that the real GM, when hired had tools to work with.

Yes, Sashi didn't draft a QB (or any offensive play-makers), and passed an several who would have looked good in brown and orange. But again, his job was not to be a GM, but to make the position attractive. GMs tend to be judged by the QB they bring in. If he had drafted a QB, the new GM would not have had the liberty to build a team around the QB of HIS choice.

Judging Sashi because he was a crappy GM is missing the point. His job was to turn the least attractive GM job in the NFL into a GM's dream. He did his job.



I haven't found any evidence that Sashi considered his position as Director of Football Operations as a temporary position to prepare for someone else to take over as the Browns GM. IMO, this is just wishful thinking by some.

His title as Director of Football Operations, while it does not say GM, Sashi was doing the job of a GM and had final say over the 53 man roster.

From an article announcing Sashi as the individual in charge of the 53 man roster...


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Brown has no hesitancy in deciding the 53-man roster. Owner Jimmy Haslam put a former salary-cap guy in charge of picking the players. Brown does not blink. "This is my 12th season in the league," he said. "I've been in and around a lot of strategic decisions in terms of how to build rosters. I think one of my strengths is to be able to bring people together and form a consensus, take information and make good, strategic decisions. We will make a series of those, and in time we will see those translate on the field." Brown emphasized people working together, and said coach Hue Jackson will have major input on personnel. It could work brilliantly. Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers before he went to the Hall of Fame in Baltimore. But the fact remains that the Browns have a guy heading the personnel decisions who did not come from a personnel background. Brown himself admitted that watching film will become a much bigger part of his job. "Because I do have the final say over the 53, you guys will be aiming at me, and that's exactly right," Brown said. "I am accountable for that."

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Nothing I can find in this article or any other article that references Sashi's job as temporary. Haslam thought he had put together a futuristic NFL management team that would lead to a winning franchise.



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Good post, Mac.


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I think that many here continue to judge Sashi as a GM. I will say it again;

Sashi was NOT a GM.

He performed many of the tasks normally associated with the GM, but he was never given, nor claimed, that title. His job was to turn the job of GM of the Cleveland Browns from toxic to desirable. And he did his job. He did the dirty work of stripping down a bad team with a few popular players into a solid foundation with young and talented but unproven players. He built a warchest of salary cap space that any GM would love, and converted high single draft picks into multiple future picks so that the real GM, when hired had tools to work with.

Yes, Sashi didn't draft a QB (or any offensive play-makers), and passed an several who would have looked good in brown and orange. But again, his job was not to be a GM, but to make the position attractive. GMs tend to be judged by the QB they bring in. If he had drafted a QB, the new GM would not have had the liberty to build a team around the QB of HIS choice.

Judging Sashi because he was a crappy GM is missing the point. His job was to turn the least attractive GM job in the NFL into a GM's dream. He did his job.



I haven't found any evidence that Sashi considered his position as Director of Football Operations as a temporary position to prepare for someone else to take over as the Browns GM. IMO, this is just wishful thinking by some.

His title as Director of Football Operations, while it does not say GM, Sashi was doing the job of a GM and had final say over the 53 man roster.

From an article announcing Sashi as the individual in charge of the 53 man roster...


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Brown has no hesitancy in deciding the 53-man roster. Owner Jimmy Haslam put a former salary-cap guy in charge of picking the players. Brown does not blink. "This is my 12th season in the league," he said. "I've been in and around a lot of strategic decisions in terms of how to build rosters. I think one of my strengths is to be able to bring people together and form a consensus, take information and make good, strategic decisions. We will make a series of those, and in time we will see those translate on the field." Brown emphasized people working together, and said coach Hue Jackson will have major input on personnel. It could work brilliantly. Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers before he went to the Hall of Fame in Baltimore. But the fact remains that the Browns have a guy heading the personnel decisions who did not come from a personnel background. Brown himself admitted that watching film will become a much bigger part of his job. "Because I do have the final say over the 53, you guys will be aiming at me, and that's exactly right," Brown said. "I am accountable for that."

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Nothing I can find in this article or any other article that references Sashi's job as temporary. Haslam thought he had put together a futuristic NFL management team that would lead to a winning franchise.



At some point people should stop arguing what Sashi was brought here for and look at the real elephant in the room...

The owner has done a tremendous job of dictating how this whole fiasco has played out - and none of it has been very predictable.

We went from a room full of geeks with slide rules and abaci, to some of the best talent evaluators and cultivators (we'll start a "Zampese" thread soon) in the league. It wasn't an accident.

We hired a GM and convinced him it was best to keep a 1-31 coach... and convinced the 1-31 to be cool with letting a person (that may be after his job)... to do his favorite part of it.

We were so bad that Jimmy knew (or was told) that it would be way faster to set the place on fire than it would ever be to wither in mediocrity.

Seems like a convoluted way to rebuild a franchise, but it has worked because the correct personnel has been in place for each phase.

Year three, right on schedule... If we've punched the stamp for franchise QB? This could be an amazing turnaround that begins to show it's face very quickly. None of it has been very predicable, but it's all seemed very calculated.

Sashi Brown, defacto GM, wasn't very good at being a GM. Was it because his previous experience was lead counsel of the Jags? His gig with the Jacksonville Housing Authority couldn't have done much to get him up to speed... What about the fact that we did not hire a GM despite Sashi's resume? We didn't want one, he would have wanted to pull some of the gold out of the sack, Jimmy wasn't stopping til the sack was full. Sashi was here to stack assets, and he did his job to the end.

Not that hard to do the math here.


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Do the math?....1 win - 31 losses.

If Sashi was simply doing what the owner wanted, there would be no reason to fire Sashi, with a month to go during his second season.

If this were all part of Haslam's plan, he would of thanked Sashi and given him another job within the franchise. Firing someone who is just doing what the owner wanted, accumulating 1-27 record in the process, would be the kiss of death to Sashi's future plans of being a GM in the NFL.

Again, I can't find any evidence that backs up the claim that Sashi was simply doing what Haslam hired him to do and hiring Dorsey just hours after firing Sashi was all part of a plan that began in Jan. 2016.



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Math don’t come close to adding up in your scenario ...

I’m suppose to believe that the thief went from a bumbling idiot of an owner to a “genuis” owner over night .... naaaa ....

If Sashi would have found a QB OR let the AJ deal go through he’d still be here ....

The thief actually benefited from having such a DUMB ASS plan and got lucky as hell Dorsey was sitting there in the wings ...

WE BACKED into this ...

And guess what ... just like with all this 2 year old BS over Sashi/Hue ... Sashi/Dorsey ....

I COULD CARE LESS .....

I’M JUST HAPPY WERE FINALLY HERE

This is by FAR THE BEST “GROUP” we’ve had here and the TALENT PROVES IT!!!

I’m GRATEFUL to all ... i’m Actually warming to the thiefs plan .. *LOL* ....

Ya’all can spend your time re-hashing all this NEGATIVE CRAP ...

I’ll be on th Isle enjoying the times ... thumbsup




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YEP..Haslam got luck as hell to land Dorsey.

Dorsey was sitting out there, available, from June 22, 2017 until hired by the Browns. Once Haslam had been convinced he had to abandon Sashi, he did so with 4 games left on the Browns schedule, hiring Dorsey within "hours" of firing Sashi.

I'll take it, the Browns being "more lucky than good" at recognizing an opportunity to hire an experienced GM.

...bout time the Browns had luck on their side.


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