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I know what you're saying. That's how I am with soft drinks. I quit using sugar in my sweet tea and started using stevia and it's helped but me & sugar...gonna have a box of Toffee Crunch & Munch and a bottle of Pepsi when TBBT starts.

Pretty disgusting if this is what the Republicans are saying. No wonder why they lost the popular vote.

Just get the tape. Not video tape or audio tape, it's duct tape. Put that over your mouth and nothing is getting in! You'll lose and win all at the same time!

1. Robert Bork is one of the worst judges in the history of the US. Specifically his ideas on anti-trust is one of the reasons why US is dominated by big business.

2. Robert Bork said that he didn't think poll taxes were unconstitutional.

3. This is the big problem with Ben Shapiro. He'll drown over people with extensive rhetoric, filling it with "examples" and "history" that he knows nothing about. Like I said in the Hellen Keller thread, memorization of historical events are harmful when you don't understand the event. This is why Ben Shapiro is just a nicer, more put together Alex Jones.

Make sure you're staying hydrated. You shouldn't be losing that much weight that quickly.

Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh Tells Fox News He Was A Virgin At Time Of Alleged Sexual Assault/Misconduct

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/brett-kavanaugh-deny-growing-number-202548166.html

one of the worst excuses i have ever heard in my life.

In the early 80's that's not that far out of the realm of possibility.

Probably helped that I was working in the hot August sun, cause I was drinking plenty of water.

Why because it's impossible for a man to be a virgin in college? I was a virgin until I was raped at the age of 23. The only person I have been with since then is my wife. It's completely possible for a man to live his life with something more important than sex.

His body language and voice inflection leads me to believe he is completely innocent. He wasn't lying at all. The democratic party should be ashamed of itself for fabricating this slander.

not based on his partying habits. he certainly partied like it was the 80's.

yea yea yea we get it, you were a monk who took a vow of silence and wrote the 100 copies of the bible by hand.

for the rest of the planet, this is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Brutal.

this dude is talking about body language and all this other nonsense.

i'm sure Bill cosby's body language had razor convinced he didnt date rape those women, either.

stop letting these dudes get on TV and state their prepared lines, and go with the public testimony and investigation if there is one.

Tail end of the sex drugs and rock-n-roll era? I grew up then, kids had lots of sex. Sure there was still an innocence, but I knew guys like him or at least what they are making him out to be. Rich kid who thought girls were objects, partied too hard for a kid. These guys were a dime a dozen back then.

I don't know if it's Kavanaugh himself, or a collective shaping these ever-shifting bizarre excuses for him, but they're pretty damning.

probably that, especially if you were drinking soda and eating carbs before then. Just didn't want you to get sick

I have to say first I am appalled by the tactics being used by the left to derail Kavenaugh's supreme court nomination. They all should be ashamed to take the lies from trash like these two women. But, if they were able to derail Kavenaugh's nomination I hope they get what they deserve.

Amy Coney Barrett

http://www.scotusblog.com/2018/07/potential-nominee-profile-amy-coney-barrett/

"It would be awful if Kavanaugh didn't get confirmed."

-Statement from the woman who would get nominated if that happened

Cold but shrewd, Amy.

Here's what I truly don't understand about the Kavanaugh thing, and maybe someone can illuminate me -

Clearly, none of you care about Kavanaugh as a singular entity. There's no name recognition or fealty there. And clearly there isn't any concern for decency or character - that became evident when most of you more or less pushed your chips in on a slimy racist with the mind of a child and zero redeeming qualities.

You don't care about Kavanaugh as a man or an entity - the sole concern and focus is on Roe v. Wade.

So...why go through the headache of having to twist in the wind with this obviously weird and creepy guy whose ever-changing promoted alibis and narratives keep falling apart? When there's any number of qualified people you could pluck from the Fifth Circuit to fulfill the exact same end game goal?

My theory is it's merely reactionary "stick it to the opposition" culture war nonsense...because otherwise it makes zero sense.

Because Cons love flopping around naked like fish screaming that they aren't sexual deviants. Why else do you think the floors in here are always so dirty?

And all the Democrats care about is keeping their right to kill!!!

I didn't expect to get much more substance than "buhhh Democrats want to kill babies!!!" from the peanut gallery, but if anyone wants to step up to the plate with something that has more depth than Day of the Dawg's Breitbart style T-ball swing response, it was a serious question in good faith.

Damn! What do we call this soap opera?

As The Court Turns?

Nominees Through The Hour Glass?

What’s sad is Kavanaugh wouldn’t even vote to overturn roe v Wade, and yet conservatives still think that’s the big reason this guy was appointed.

Just look at the reports coming out about his past lifestyle. It’s the kind of background of a guy who probably paid some chick he accidentally knocked up to get an abortion back in the day.

The Old & The Termless

He would absolutely vote to overturn it. That's why he was picked.

The GOP is shrewd and effective with their court picks. It's calculated and with purpose. The purpose is pro-corporation, but they court the evangelical and religious vote by pretending they care about abortion. And they would cast the corresponding vote if given the chance.

And the notion that someone who would have or commission an abortion wouldn't work towards and vote for an abortion ban doesn't compute with reality.

I think if you offered your average conservative voter -

"Hey, we've got a real shot of making abortion illegal. We've got this robotic creepy guy accused of sexual assault, or two dozen other spotless candidates. We can probably squeak the pervert in, but what do you think?"

The overwhelming answer would be "just move on, next candidate up".

The only people who stubbornly want to press forward with Kavanaugh are reactionary weirdos and all around bad and unserious people.

The votes aren't going anywhere. The court is going to be a solid 5-4 with little swing. Kavanaugh isn't a do-or-die situation.

The odds of Roe v. Wade actually being overturned is astronomical. The trouble is how this was all handled. Like swish said, professionals wouldn't have brought this out at the last minute. Bring it out when you have the information, plenty of time for an investigation, the allegations are lacking in evidence and you all are convicting this man before he's had his day in court.

Even these new allegations have little (so far) to stand on, but you're all sure he's guilty already.

Should these women be believed from the outset?

NO. We're constitutionally guaranteed Innocent until PROVEN guilty, right?

Should they be taken seriously and the charges investigated?

YES.

Your stick it to the opposition theory may have some substance, but why would we (if this man is genuinely found to be guilty of these things) want him around?

I disagree. There’s a reason why he wasn’t on the original list of 25 from the federalist society.

But Kavanaugh’s position changed over the next decade. He wrote a 2009 law review article that suggested a sitting president should not be subject to criminal investigations, which may have implications for the current Mueller investigation.

"Like civil suits, criminal investigations take the president’s focus away from his or her responsibilities to the people. And a president who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as president," Kavanaugh wrote.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...pick-kavanaugh/

Trump wanted this guy for the primary reason of hoping Kavanaugh will run interference if he case for him testifying reaches the Supreme Court.

Trump has never, and will never give one flying crap about overturning roe v Wade. Every decision he makes is about self preservation.

The whole roe v Wade is a cute distraction, but I have yet to see any serious attempt of trying to overturn that at all.

But that’s why we differ on this. You’re still adamant that nothing will come from the mueller probe, so you think this was he primary reason he was appointed.

I do think something comes from this, as trump is doing everything imaginable to not have to testify.

There’s a reason why this picked was rushed, and Gorsuch’s nomination wasn’t. And it has nothing to do with roe v Wade.

I'd give it a 40% chance.



The response to the allegations - from Kavanaugh, his associates, and his backers - are unsettling at the least, and creepy at the worst.

And that doesn't even get into his bizarre financial claims.



Did you believe O.J. Simpson from the outset?

Yes, women should be believed from the outset. Men are violent perverts, in general. Not all men, but far too many, and if you add booze and youth, look out.

I'll tell you something, Ted - I've had a lot of regrets in my life, and I've done a lot of shameful things...but I have zero fear of women coming out to accuse of sexual misconduct, because it's never happened. I'm not a creep. Smoke and fire, my friend.



Six separate GOP senators came out yesterday and said "we're going to confirm him, don't worry".

If you think this should be investigated seriously, you are at odds with GOP wisdom.

If cons could admit they were wrong, they wouldn't have to rely on the markets to decide everything.

They wouldn't have to admit they were wrong.

They still treat Robert Bork as a martyr.

I'm gonna need more than that to destroy a mans life. If he did it, he'll deserve what comes to him, but I'm not accepting he said she said.



Not like I follow this all that closely, but I haven't heard anything unsettling or creepy. If he didn't do it, what's he supposed to do other than deny that he did it?

What kind of financial claims is he making?



Don't see what the OJ comment has to do with this.

By your logic all a girl has to do is accuse a guy and ruin his life whether it's true or not. Cause that's what you're saying y'know. And you also know that women have lied and ruined mens lives with false accusations.

Not really interested in whatever you've done with anyone. No, men aren't violent perverts in general. Are there more than there should be? There shouldn't be any so that's an easy answer but as usual you all wanna cry wolf and say it's worse than it is 'in general'.



I can live with that. Personally I think the constitution should be amended to add term limits to congress as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/24/business/brett-kavanaugh-yearbook-renate.html


Kavanaugh’s Yearbook Page Is ‘Horrible, Hurtful’ to a Woman It Named
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Judge Brett Kavanaugh, President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, and several classmates at Georgetown Preparatory School referred to themselves as “Renate Alumni” in the 1983 yearbook.CreditCreditJustin T. Gellerson for The New York Times
By Kate Kelly and David Enrich
Sept. 24, 2018

Brett Kavanaugh’s page in his high school yearbook offers a glimpse of the teenage years of the man who is now President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee: lots of football, plenty of drinking, parties at the beach. Among the reminiscences about sports and booze is a mysterious entry: “Renate Alumnius.”

The word “Renate” appears at least 14 times in Georgetown Preparatory School’s 1983 yearbook, on individuals’ pages and in a group photo of nine football players, including Judge Kavanaugh, who were described as the “Renate Alumni.” It is a reference to Renate Schroeder, then a student at a nearby Catholic girls’ school.

Two of Judge Kavanaugh’s classmates say the mentions of Renate were part of the football players’ unsubstantiated boasting about their conquests.

“They were very disrespectful, at least verbally, with Renate,” said Sean Hagan, a Georgetown Prep student at the time, referring to Judge Kavanaugh and his teammates. “I can’t express how disgusted I am with them, then and now.”

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Judge Kavanaugh’s years at Georgetown Prep, in a Maryland suburb of Washington, are under intense scrutiny because of allegations by Christine Blasey Ford that he sexually assaulted her during high school. Judge Kavanaugh has denied the allegation. He and Dr. Blasey are scheduled to testify Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Judge Kavanaugh’s peers have given different accounts of what he was like. But his yearbook provides a contemporaneous glimpse of the elite Catholic school’s hard-drinking atmosphere — Judge Kavanaugh’s personal page boasts, “100 kegs or bust” — and a culture that some describe as disrespectful to women.

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This month, Renate Schroeder Dolphin joined 64 other women who, saying they knew Judge Kavanaugh during their high school years, signed a letter to the leaders of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is weighing Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination. The letter stated that “he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.”

When Ms. Dolphin signed the Sept. 14 letter, she wasn’t aware of the “Renate” yearbook references on the pages of Judge Kavanaugh and his football teammates.

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“I learned about these yearbook pages only a few days ago,” Ms. Dolphin said in a statement to The New York Times. “I don’t know what ‘Renate Alumnus’ actually means. I can’t begin to comprehend what goes through the minds of 17-year-old boys who write such things, but the insinuation is horrible, hurtful and simply untrue. I pray their daughters are never treated this way. I will have no further comment.”

Alexandra Walsh, a lawyer for Judge Kavanaugh, said in a statement: “Judge Kavanaugh was friends with Renate Dolphin in high school. He admired her very much then, and he admires her to this day.

“Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event,” the statement continued. “They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else.”

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Judge Kavanaugh mentioned Renate Dolphin on his yearbook page, his lawyer said, because of one high school event they attended together “and nothing else.”
Ms. Dolphin said she had never kissed Judge Kavanaugh. “I think Brett must have me confused with someone else, because I never kissed him,” she said through her lawyer.

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In an interview on Fox News on Monday, Judge Kavanaugh defended his high school behavior in general terms. “People might have had too many beers on occasion and people generally in high school — I think all of us have probably done things we look back on in high school and regret or cringe a bit,” he said.

A White House spokesman, Raj Shah, declined to comment beyond the statement from Judge Kavanaugh’s lawyer.

Four of the men who were pictured with Judge Kavanaugh in a photo captioned “Renate Alumni” said it was simply a reference to their dating or going to dances with Ms. Dolphin.

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An elite Catholic boys’ high school founded in 1789, Georgetown Prep has many alumni who have gone into public service. Justice Neil M. Gorsuch of the Supreme Court is a graduate, as is Jerome H. Powell, chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Judge Kavanaugh, a member of the football team and the captain of the basketball team, played a prominent role in Georgetown Prep’s firmament in the early 1980s. The school’s culture was one of heavy drinking and at times insensitivity.

The 1983 yearbook, for example, includes multiple apparent references to the Ku Klux Klan (but not on Judge Kavanaugh’s page). His page, in addition to the “Alumnius” entry, mentions his role as “treasurer” of the “Keg City Club.”

“The vast majority of the time I spent in high school was studying or focused on sports and being a good friend to the boys and the girls that I was friends with,” he told Fox News on Monday.

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Some of Judge Kavanaugh’s high school peers said there was a widespread culture at the time of objectifying women.

“People claiming that they had sex with other people was not terribly unusual, and it was not terribly believable,” said William Fishburne, who was in Judge Kavanaugh’s graduating class and was a manager for the football team. “Not just Brett Kavanaugh and his particular group, but all the classmates in general. People would claim things they hadn’t done to sort of seem bigger than they were, older than they were.”

Bill Barbot, who was a freshman at Georgetown Prep when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior, said Judge Kavanaugh and his clique were part of the school’s “fratty” culture. “There was a lot of talk and presumably a lot of action about sexual conquest with girls,” Mr. Barbot said.

Ms. Dolphin was a subject of that braggadocio, according to Mr. Hagan and another classmate, who requested anonymity because he fears retribution. They said Judge Kavanaugh and his friends were seeking to memorialize their supposed conquests with the “Renate” yearbook references.

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Judge Kavanaugh, far left, and eight football teammates in a yearbook photo. “I don’t know what ‘Renate Alumnus’ actually means,” Ms. Dolphin said. “I can’t begin to comprehend what goes through the minds of 17-year-old boys who write such things, but the insinuation is horrible, hurtful and simply untrue.”
“She should be offended,” Mr. Hagan said of Ms. Dolphin. “I was completely astounded when I saw she signed that letter” on Judge Kavanaugh’s behalf.

Some women who knew Judge Kavanaugh at the time defended his conduct.

“These guys weren’t any different than other boys high schools across the country,” said Suzanne Matan, a friend of Judge Kavanaugh’s from their high school days. “And I chose to hang out with those boys and many other girls did, too, because they were fun, and they were safe, and they were respectful.”

The Georgetown Prep yearbook’s personal pages were designed and written by the individual students, according to alumni. A faculty adviser reviewed the pages.

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Judge Kavanaugh was one of 13 graduating seniors who referred to Ms. Dolphin in some way on their personal pages. Some gave themselves titles — DeLancey Davis, for example, listed himself as “chairman of the Bored” of the “Renate Club.” Another football player, Tom Kane, mentioned on his page “Renate’s Suicide Squad.”

The group photo, with Judge Kavanaugh and eight fellow football players in pads and uniform, grinning, was captioned “Renate Alumni.” Mark Judge, the commentator and author who has written about his alcohol-fueled years at Georgetown Prep, stands next to Judge Kavanaugh in the photo.

Barbara Van Gelder, a lawyer for Mr. Judge, declined to comment.

Four of the players in the “Renate Alumni” photo — Mr. Davis, Mr. Kane, Tim Gaudette and Don Urgo Jr. — said in a statement that they had “never bragged about” sexual contact or anything like that with Ms. Dolphin. The statement, issued by Jim McCarthy, a public-relations representative, said the yearbook’s “Renate” references “were intended to allude to innocent dates or dance partners and were generally known within the community of people involved for over 35 years.”

“These comments,” the statement continued, “were never controversial and did not impact ongoing relationships until The Times twisted and forced an untrue narrative. This shabby journalism is causing egregious harm to all involved, particularly our friend, and is simply beneath contempt.”

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Michael Walsh, another Georgetown Prep alumnus, also listed himself on his personal yearbook page as a “Renate Alumnus.” Alongside some song lyrics, he included a short poem: “You need a date / and it’s getting late / so don’t hesitate / to call Renate.”

Mr. Walsh, a bank executive in Virginia, was one of scores of Georgetown Prep alumni who signed a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee leaders vouching for Judge Kavanaugh’s “sharp intellectual ability, affable nature, and a practical and fair approach devoid of partisan purpose.” He did not respond to requests for comment.

Ms. Dolphin was aware that members of Judge Kavanaugh’s clique were reciting that poem, according to a person familiar with her thinking. She told the football players that she found it offensive, believing it made her seem like a cheap date, and she asked them to stop.

Some of Judge Kavanaugh’s peers said they doubted that the yearbook notations were good-natured. “Those guys weren’t big on crushes,” Mr. Fishburne said. “I think they felt that if a girl didn’t want to date them, then they must be gay. I’m serious.”

A high school friend of Ms. Dolphin’s, who also signed the letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, said that while she stood by the letter’s contents, as a friend of Ms. Dolphin’s she was “sickened” by the yearbook’s “Renate” references. She and a second friend of Ms. Dolphin’s denied that there was any sexual contact between Ms. Dolphin and Judge Kavanaugh or anyone else in his circle.

Kitty Bennett contributed research

Spare me the "ruin a man's life" hysterics.

Worst case, he continues his highly lucrative lifetime circuit appointment.



I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers, so they may not be exact, but his asset/debt/liquidity ratio has gone off the charts in a manner only explained by impropriety and/or gambling.

Morally, I have no qualms with that stuff, but high-end positions deserve scruinity in that regard.



Let's play a game.

For every "false accusation that ruined a man's life" you provide, I will provide 100 horrific and absolute cases everyone pretended didn't happen.

Want to play?



Before Kavanaugh's first accuser came forward, Kavananaugh's people researched her, and got caught doing so.

What does that tell you?

DOMPFFF......

This is the sound a microphone makes when it hits the stage, after being dropped from a height of 5+
feet.

This is all one quick descent into political hell.

The Democrats decided to make federal judges subject to a simple majority.

The Republicans then decided to make Supreme Court nominees subject to a simple majority.

Democrats are slinging really disgusting stuff against a man, on the most flimsy of so called evidence.

What happens the next time the Democrats have the Senate, and a Democrat President nominates a candidate for the Supreme Court. You guys don't think that the Republicans are going to have a long memory, and play the revenge game right back?

Our politics are plummeting into the 8th and 9th circles of Dante's Inferno ..... Fraud and Treachery. It's a shame, because what good person is going to want to serve? Who is going to want to be dragged into hell like this?

It is a sad time for our Republic. I am for protecting victim's rights, but this is so plainly political, and none of this woman's so called witnesses witnessed anything like she states. There is no evidence, anywhere. She isn't even sure when or where it supposedly happened. However, he's guilty. I fear a country where a man is guilty only based on an accusation.

As an aside, the local police department, who would have jurisdiction over the 1st accusation, has still not had the supposed victim, or her attorney, ask them to investigate.



This is a game?

Where have we gone where it is OK to destroy a man's life because someone else may have gotten away with some crime? Is that really the kind of country you want to live in? Really?

Should the murder of a good police officer, on the job, be OK, because there are some bad cops out there? Should the murder of a good priest be considered OK because there are some bad priests out there? Should a man accused of rape be fired, thrown in prison, and forgotten, without a single bit of evidence because some men have sexually assaulted women? Wow, I don't want to live in that country.

I honestly cannot believe what I am reading from some people I have disagreed with politically, but had respect for. Accusation is conviction .. and some are just fine with that.

That's even sadder.

I wanted to replay this post because Swish is pointing out something extremely important, something that I think many other posters are going to willingly turn a blind eye to, then act like they didn't see it coming when the tables are turned.

There's only 1 of 2 things happening here:

1) a legitimate victim is being exploited for political purposes, by people who don't actually care about what happened to her and in a manner that will deprive her of any justice that could be had.

2) An innocent man is being ruined and his family is being subjected to abhorrent, disgusting behavior and being put through a traumatic experience for again, political reasons.

What again is supposed to be this "greater good" that using these methods is going to bring about?

"Weaponized" isn't just some FoxNews buzzword.. it's dead accurate. We're (but largely the left is) going own this path of "the ends justifies the means" mentality in the approach to social and political issues. And what we are seeing with accusers presented by Democrats is really the equivalent of "political suicide bombers". Real victim or fake, what they've done is convince these people to sacrifice themselves to the scrutiny of the public, politics, and media and they'll be rewarded on the back end (money, "justice" being served, (fill in the blank) etc). Meanwhile the politicians exploit the chaos and destruction that results.. in furtherance of a political ideology

Provocative language to be sure, but I don't use it lightly. The parallels are there. They can't win by conventional means and so they toss bomb in the middle of it all, collateral damage and innocent people be damned.

Thank you Swish, your post was one of only literally a couple in this thread worth the internet space.

I see your point and Swish's. What i don't see is the blame on the right for not allowing a proper investigation and taking time to get it right. Blame the dems for how and when the accusations came to light if you want; but the process is 100% controlled by the GOP.

There is an old saying that when you point a finger there are 3 fingers pointing back at you. I think that saying applies.

bro i've stated multiple times why the GOP is shady for trying to push this pick through in the first place.

but we're way past that right now.