I noticed in some recent post there is another theme of concern about Mayfield appearing to go almost exclusively to his first read. This may or may not be true. I doubt that it is true but at this time I have no objective evidence to support that opinion.
But I have to ask, as it seems to be a paradox, how can a QB throw on time in a rhythm passing attack and be right enough to have a stat line of 17 of 23 and also be criticized for not going thru his progressions? Isn't the point to be correct in the reads? His vision, processing speed and execution were operating at an extremely high level. Isn't that why he was able to ignite the offense?
I noticed in some recent post there is another theme of concern about Mayfield appearing to go almost exclusively to his first read. This may or may not be true. I doubt that it is true but at this time I have no objective evidence to support that opinion.
But I have to ask, as it seems to be a paradox, how can a QB throw on time in a rhythm passing attack and be right enough to have a stat line of 17 of 23 and also be criticized for not going thru his progressions? Isn't the point to be correct in the reads? His vision, processing speed and execution were operating at an extremely high level. Isn't that why he was able to ignite the offense?
+1
I think the apprehension comes mostly from peeps that weren’t real high on Baker in the first place. Real hard to criticize his 1st game performance but they certainly try. They hope for Baker to succeed but are ready to say “told you so” if he doesn’t. Transparent.
Yes, people are getting carried away. You can see this but you also are aware of all of the pent-up suffering, for years, that fans have endured. Any sliver of hope is held onto with a certain amount of desperation.
It is emotionally risky but it is also very human.
One person who seems to be emotionally stable in the aftermath of Thursdays' win is Mayfield. That's a good sign. The way he handled himself with the media immediately following the game. He kept his composure his demeanor was calm but he was confident.
There is a lot of pent up suffering.
I took vacation time to make it home for the game.
I was really depressed about midway through the second quarter. Taylor looked terrible. Missed throws to Calloway and the intentional grounding call. I was ready to endure another night of listening to how many days, how we should have picked Darnold, and how the Browns were the cellar dwellers of the NFL... Sign up for pick #1 and don't blow it this time.
That all changed the moment Mayfield entered the game. A couple of completions, and we are driving. The fumble recovery by Bitanio was good fortune. That ugly silly field goal was equivalent to a game winner. Hope for the second half.
The second half was a completely different story. We were down but not out and fighting back. The team looked completely different. Mayfield was hitting people that were not open and playing faster. The catch by Landry was a changing moment, another fortunate event.
The bottom line is that when you have stunk for so long, you want to see some hope. And you hope that it is not your heart misleading your eyes. I received a number of congratulatory calls from friends and family.
No one is surprised that Mayfield is starting. Anyone who watched the games knew this would happen. But I am happy that it did, and will be watching the Oakland game as well.
I am fine with not talking about the next years draft until next year. There is football to be played, and it might not be another season lost.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
Baker's got a good month before teams really lock into seeing what the major patterns are.
If he's got significant tells that they can gameplan for, it'll come out then.
That's also when you start gameplanning on how to make your strengths stronger as well.
4 games...
Raiders Ravens Chargers Buccaneers...
I know that the Browns can be at least competitive with 2 of those teams. And the Ravens are walking into Cleveland... 3 and 1 sets the tone for the rest of the season IMO.
My confidence in baker is as much about the team around him as it is about him. Taylor was horrible and while many didn't want to see it, he sucked so bad No one respected his game at all. He made No one look better, he made the team look worse.
Our receivers can win the one on one if given a chance. Our ok can pass block if the QB isn't taking sacks because he is afraid to throw and they can run block when not facing 8 n 9 men up.
Baker doesn't have to be great to look great.just has to take what's given.
I noticed in some recent post there is another theme of concern about Mayfield appearing to go almost exclusively to his first read. This may or may not be true. I doubt that it is true but at this time I have no objective evidence to support that opinion.
But I have to ask, as it seems to be a paradox, how can a QB throw on time in a rhythm passing attack and be right enough to have a stat line of 17 of 23 and also be criticized for not going thru his progressions? Isn't the point to be correct in the reads? His vision, processing speed and execution were operating at an extremely high level. Isn't that why he was able to ignite the offense?
Either that or the Jets D just got sloppy...
Fans are just setting BM for failure, with this kind of expectations.
Oakland should be a nice start, but the kid is a rookie, so lets take it easy.
Let the kid play, and by the way the problem wasn't only QB play...
I think most of the throws were his first read. Too early to say at this point, but I will keep an eye on it as we move forward.
I will add that he did throw w/anticipation, though. That was very impressive and encouraging.
The way he threw the ball all over the field to a plethora of receivers was impressive. And IF every single one of them was his 1st read, then he's operating in this Offense FLAWLESSLY.
It gets the ball out quick. Nothing wrong with that.
I see alot of the proverbial Rookie comments about Ups & Downs. We will see that. One thing I believe we will also see is that Mayfield won't let a bad play, a pick, a sack get him down.
He's just got that confidence thing. He'll go right to the sideline and tell the Defense to GET ME THE BALL BACK!
It's well mentioned that he hasn't had ANY work with the 1's. This was a short week game and for him to come in under those circumstances, down 14-0 and just start tossing completion after completion was a thing of beauty.
With TIME with these guys, I fully expect that DEAD NUTS ACCURACY to come flying back. Not that 74% is a bad thing. lol
And it shoulda been 83%----19-23 had Calloway and Landry not dropped easy catches. I'd bet we NEVER see Landry drop that one again.
Mary Kay said something to Landry in the Post Game Presser about his drop and Landry responded with a Laugh "DON'T DO ME LIKE THAT". It was quite hilarious.
Some of you guys can Temper your excitement and expectations all you want. I'm ON THE BAKER-TRAIN. And I'm also intelligent enough and secure enough in my own skin to not jump off a bridge when and if he has a bad game.
These are EXCITING TIMES and I'm gonna enjoy the ride.
For the 1st time since Derek Anderson, I'm highly confident that on EVERY 3rd and 10+ we've got a QB that gives us a chance to convert every single one of em'.
When I warn of not over hyping Mayfield it's only because he is a rookie. I think he has all the makings of a Franchise QB, period. He will be good, I hope he is great. I just don't want to see him ruined before he gets a chance to get there.
I expect that Baker is going to have some really good games, and some not so good games. All a part of being a rookie.
I think we will start to see Duke and Njoku more involved. Both can be pretty safe plays for Baker.
Lets face it, he was about perfect in relief. We aren't going to see that week after week. That said, I have seen enough out of him to feel like he is a QB we can roll with. How much better he gets over the next few years will determine how far we roll.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Just think of this boys and girls, now that we seem set at QB for at least a few years, we don't have to keep using 1st and 2nd round picks on a QB. We can throw a 6th rounder at one every now and then.
We can now use those picks to bring in weapons or building block players.
Things are looking up
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I expect that Baker is going to have some really good games, and some not so good games. All a part of being a rookie.
I think we will start to see Duke and Njoku more involved. Both can be pretty safe plays for Baker.
Lets face it, he was about perfect in relief. We aren't going to see that week after week. That said, I have seen enough out of him to feel like he is a QB we can roll with. How much better he gets over the next few years will determine how far we roll.
Judging from fans reactions and expectations regarding BM, I think....
Yes, people are getting carried away. You can see this but you also are aware of all of the pent-up suffering, for years, that fans have endured. Any sliver of hope is held onto with a certain amount of desperation.
It is emotionally risky but it is also very human.
One person who seems to be emotionally stable in the aftermath of Thursdays' win is Mayfield. That's a good sign. The way he handled himself with the media immediately following the game. He kept his composure his demeanor was calm but he was confident.
There is a lot of pent up suffering.
I took vacation time to make it home for the game.
I was really depressed about midway through the second quarter. Taylor looked terrible. Missed throws to Calloway and the intentional grounding call. I was ready to endure another night of listening to how many days, how we should have picked Darnold, and how the Browns were the cellar dwellers of the NFL... Sign up for pick #1 and don't blow it this time.
That all changed the moment Mayfield entered the game. A couple of completions, and we are driving. The fumble recovery by Bitanio was good fortune. That ugly silly field goal was equivalent to a game winner. Hope for the second half.
The second half was a completely different story. We were down but not out and fighting back. The team looked completely different. Mayfield was hitting people that were not open and playing faster. The catch by Landry was a changing moment, another fortunate event.
The bottom line is that when you have stunk for so long, you want to see some hope. And you hope that it is not your heart misleading your eyes. I received a number of congratulatory calls from friends and family.
No one is surprised that Mayfield is starting. Anyone who watched the games knew this would happen. But I am happy that it did, and will be watching the Oakland game as well.
I am fine with not talking about the next years draft until next year. There is football to be played, and it might not be another season lost.
I noticed in some recent post there is another theme of concern about Mayfield appearing to go almost exclusively to his first read. This may or may not be true. I doubt that it is true but at this time I have no objective evidence to support that opinion.
But I have to ask, as it seems to be a paradox, how can a QB throw on time in a rhythm passing attack and be right enough to have a stat line of 17 of 23 and also be criticized for not going thru his progressions? Isn't the point to be correct in the reads? His vision, processing speed and execution were operating at an extremely high level. Isn't that why he was able to ignite the offense?
+1
I think the apprehension comes mostly from peeps that weren’t real high on Baker in the first place. Real hard to criticize his 1st game performance but they certainly try. They hope for Baker to succeed but are ready to say “told you so” if he doesn’t. Transparent.
It's impossible to have a football conversation on this board w/out someone resorting to attacking another's character.
I noticed in some recent post there is another theme of concern about Mayfield appearing to go almost exclusively to his first read. This may or may not be true. I doubt that it is true but at this time I have no objective evidence to support that opinion.
But I have to ask, as it seems to be a paradox, how can a QB throw on time in a rhythm passing attack and be right enough to have a stat line of 17 of 23 and also be criticized for not going thru his progressions? Isn't the point to be correct in the reads? His vision, processing speed and execution were operating at an extremely high level. Isn't that why he was able to ignite the offense?
+1
I think the apprehension comes mostly from peeps that weren’t real high on Baker in the first place. Real hard to criticize his 1st game performance but they certainly try. They hope for Baker to succeed but are ready to say “told you so” if he doesn’t. Transparent.
It's impossible to have a football conversation on this board w/out someone resorting to attacking another's character.
Cavaliers went to the finals and people were bitching....
Now fans are expecting BM to be Tom Brady and will throw him under the bus if the team struggles.
Those stats are second fiddle? When was the last time we had a rookie look that second fiddle? NEVER!
Here's to Baker besting those stats.
For that year, the team had 618 rushing attempts for 2464 yards for a 4.0 average. The average would indicate that the running game (over the course of the year) was humming along quite nicely, and the 618 attempts (vs 358 passing) means they ran the ball a whole heck of a lot more than they passed. I don't think the role their defense played needs to be explained. More subjectively, their game plan was the same throughout the year. Whenever they got the lead, they basically stopped passing, ran the ball basically every down, and their defense pinned their ears back.
Maybe 'second fiddle' isn't the right phrase. Big Ben played well that year, but they leaned on their defense and run game (in that order) to win games his rookie year.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
It's hypocritical....the Mayfield supporters are criticized and called ' overly optimistic ' and told to relax, it's only been a half yada yada yada and objectively that is fair and valid however, there is no doubt in my mind that when Baker lays an egg, and he will as all rookies and veterans do we'll hear ' I told you he doesn't have it ', ' I told you he can't read pre and post snap defences ', ' I told you he is too small' and on and on, doing exactly what they are claiming pro Mayfield posters are doing now. Book it.
Another post that is simply made to trash the character of other posters.
I've said it on other threads, but if the posters who actually like to talk football don't start self-policing the board and stop the posts such as the one I am referencing, than I'm out.
I have said way more positive things about Baker. I haven't criticized his play. I just want to look at some things.
So...........what do you guys who like to talk football want to do? Discuss these topic intelligently or continue to allow these stupid character assassinations?
I've said it on other threads, but if the posters who actually like to talk football don't start self-policing the board and stop the posts such as the one I am referencing, than I'm out.
Stop making posts that trash the character of other posters.
The Jets did not let up on him. They brought blitzes and threw zone coverages.
The kids threw for 200 yards in a half of football against a good defense. Whether they prepared for him or not does not matter. I am 100% in on Baker Mayfield. I think he is the one to finally take us out of being the worst team in the league.
I know it was just one game, but he is the one. I see it, I feel it, I hear it.
I think the apprehension comes mostly from peeps that weren’t real high on Baker in the first place. Real hard to criticize his 1st game performance but they certainly try. They hope for Baker to succeed but are ready to say “told you so” if he doesn’t. Transparent.
Some people have poor comprehension skills. lmao
Most of us are saying be prepare to "be patient" with a rookie QB. Everything won't be ice cream cones and cupcakes. Quite the opposite of what you stated in fact.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Another post that is simply made to trash the character of other posters.
I've said it on other threads, but if the posters who actually like to talk football don't start self-policing the board and stop the posts such as the one I am referencing, than I'm out.
I have said way more positive things about Baker. I haven't criticized his play. I just want to look at some things.
So...........what do you guys who like to talk football want to do? Discuss these topic intelligently or continue to allow these stupid character assassinations?
You do realize that your very post is "another post that is simply made to trash the character of other posters."
Also, this isn't your playground. I don't understand why you think you can tell others what to post. It simply blows my mind.
If one poster wants to bash Mayfield, let him. If you think he's a work in progress and not ready and say so, that's fine. If another guy says he's going to be the rookie of the year, so be it. I don't understand what is the big deal.
The Jets did not let up on him. They brought blitzes and threw zone coverages.
The kids threw for 200 yards in a half of football against a good defense. Whether they prepared for him or not does not matter. I am 100% in on Baker Mayfield. I think he is the one to finally take us out of being the worst team in the league.
I know it was just one game, but he is the one. I see it, I feel it, I hear it.
Every rookie in their first NFL start is a project to one degree or another. Some more than others. Baker has a lot of very good ingredients to build on. He has a lot of potential. He certainly has the best potential I've seen in any QB we've drafted since our return.
And I agree with you that everyone has a right to their own opinion about Baker. But when people use another posters opinion to try to assainate their character or to claim they have an agenda, you're no longer talking about Baker. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I expect that Baker is going to have some really good games, and some not so good games. All a part of being a rookie.
I know I'm going to be crucified, banned, blocked, rejected, and whatever else... but...
I think one guy who would be on my side is eotab... but I still don't think people realize how good Mayfield is yet... and yes, you are all rightfully cautious. And not from you, peen, but I don't get the whole high expectations and we're be disappointed or throw him under the bus if he doesn't succeed stuff... We should have high expectations. And this does sound like some are way overly cautious. The kid is a star... and if I'm wrong and he flops we move on, so be it... no big deal. But I don't think I'm going to be wrong.
I would bet my house, my tv, my car, my life savings that this kid is going to be very very very very good. And I wouldn't do that for Darnold or Rosen or certainly not Allen. Prior to the draft I said there was only one pick to make at #1 and I'm still behind those words. We made the right pick and I love Dorsey for it.
People want to have questions, go for it, have questions. I'm sure there are people who still question Roethlisberger. I'm sure someone out there doesn't think he's a Hall of Famer... You'll have that...
Speaking of... I think there could be snags here or there, but I don't think he's going to have any massively poor games. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I fully expect him to be rookie of the year or in the running for rookie of the year.
All the quarterbacks in our division went to the playoffs as rookies. Russell Wilson performed well as a rookie. As did Prescott and RG3. I think all of them went to the playoffs... So I don't buy the whole let's curb our enthusiasm because he's still a rookie and we still won't win. Nah. The kid has arrived. I fully expect him to lead us into the playoffs THIS season. It can and will happen. Just watch.
If one poster wants to bash Mayfield, let him. If you think he's a work in progress and not ready and say so, that's fine. If another guy says he's going to be the rookie of the year, so be it. I don't understand what is the big deal.
I don't have a problem w/those who think he is already great. I didn't insult those posters. guard, Dep, and I were having a football conversation. No one bashed another.
Then, Bleeds and thriller come in and bash the character of posters who they don't agree with. And there was zero football.
This place is more like the Smack Shack than "Pure Football." I am suggesting we keep it about Pure Football and stop w/the smack talk and character assassinations.
I don't see any of the football guys speaking up, though. So perhaps everyone prefers this being the Smack Shack. That's fine.
It's hypocritical....the Mayfield supporters are criticized and called ' overly optimistic ' and told to relax, it's only been a half yada yada yada and objectively that is fair and valid however, there is no doubt in my mind that when Baker lays an egg, and he will as all rookies and veterans do we'll hear ' I told you he doesn't have it ', ' I told you he can't read pre and post snap defences ', ' I told you he is too small' and on and on, doing exactly what they are claiming pro Mayfield posters are doing now. Book it.
Not from me ...
I’m having a real hard time keeping my expectations about the kid in check ... ITS REAL HARD ...
Kid has a shot ... it was only a half ... theres gonna be ups and downs ... thats to be expected ...
RIGHT NOW. All we know is the kid has a shot ... THATS IT ... he’s not a sure thing ... not even close at this point ...
I think theres a lot of dawgs whose expectations are getting way ahead of themselves ... including myself ... *L* ....
I’ll NEVER say i told u so on this one ... NEVER ...
DUDE. Has a shot ... we should all be CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC at this point ...
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