Has anyone else listened to this podcast or followed the story? I just finished the other day. It's fascinating stuff. I don't remember ever hearing about this story.
If you are like I was, and had no idea, back in 1999 a 17 year old girl goes missing at a Baltimore public high school. Less than a month later, her body is found in a nearby park.
Initial evidence points nowhere, a friend of her ex-boyfriend, Adnan Sayed goes to the police and says Adnan did it. Case closed, the ex boyfriend goes to jail despite saying the entire time that he had nothing to do with it.
fast forward 15 years and someone in Adnan's family who has been doing her own detective work comes to a journalist named Sarah Koenig, who also works with radio.
Sarah unravels what seems to be more of this story, and shows how some evidence and testimoy seems to be skewed, to go along with the fact that the declining health of Adnan's lawyer may have played into his convication (she died later on)
I was hooked. I binge listened to all 12 episodes in a day. I'll save my thoughts for the next post so I don't spoil anything for anyone.
The podcast is free and available on apple or android. It's one of the highest rated podcasts out.
man dude that sounds like some crazy stuff. imma check that out tonight asap
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Sperg, I was all over this podcast from the very first installment. I didn't bother bringing it up here at DT because I wasn't sure anyone else would have gotten into it.
It's a spinoff from the podcast/radio show "This American Life" which has had me hooked for years. That's how I knew 'Serial' was coming on... matter of fact, TAL used a portion of the first episode of "Serial' as one of their regular programs... sort of a 'teaser,' if you will.
The phone calls between Sarah and Adnan I found particularly engaging. It was interesting to hear him in different moods from call to call. Sometimes, he was charming, convincing... other times, he seemed testy and almost combative. The calls to Asia were eye-opening, as well. I never trusted the 'friend.' My stand mate in the orch and I were both hooked on the show in real time, and many rehearsal breaks were burned talking about this podcast and its carachters. We wound up referring to the 'friend' as "Sketchy Jay" (lol).
Dude... when I heard audio transcripts of the trial, I thought Adnan's lawyer was on some heavyazz drugs. Her voice absolutely GRATED ON MY EARS... and I found myself screaming at her to do a better job for her client.
This was some compelling stuff, from beginning to end. It was a great examination of just how shoddy our justice system can be.... from arrest to sentencing. A real revelation.
FYI: Serial was picked up for a second season, with an entirely new story.
Yeah, I wish I had heard about this sooner. I think Sarah did an incredible job. She tells the story well, lays out the facts well. Yes, she definitely tells this with a foot on the side of Adnan... but really, that's the point. And I think for a guy who could potentially be sitting in jail unfairly.. There's nothing wrong with that.
Swish.. Get on it. You won't be disappointed. She dives right into it. There is literally no downtime to these podcasts.
Don't read on unless you want to be spoiled of the ending, which there really is none, but just in case you want to hear everything fresh..
I honestly don't know if Adnan did it or not. What I do know is that it's unbelievable that he was convicted by a jury of this crime. The evidence in meh at best. The only thing they have is the testimony of a guy who has changed his story multiple times.. He flat out lied about some of the places they visited that day.
There are so many angles to this story. The biggest key that people will point out is that Jay (the key witness) was able to tell the detectives where Hae's car was. However, the detectives already knew this, but took him telling them as damning evidence, because they considered the location privileged knowledge at the time.. I read this crazy story about a guy in Europe that claimed he was a serial killer, and told the police information that they thought only the killer would know. Low and behold, the guy was absolutely nuts, but he didn't commit any of the crimes. He was accesing this information through different means from investigators, doctors, and anyone involved with the case. I think it's definitely important to point out that Jay told them about the car, but he didn't lead them to it.
The other thing that really gets at me, and Sarah even asked Adnan about it, was the lack of disdain towards Jay. If you're truly innocent, wouldn't you have horrible things to say about Jay, especially in front of a rapidly growing audience like Serial had? He claims that it won't do any good to be mean to someone who could possibly hold information that could set you free one day.
Rabia, the lady who brought this story to Sarah, did an AMA with Reddit. If you don't know what an AMA is, it stands for ask me anything. Reddit sets all kinds of different people up, celebrities, scientists, veterans, politicians, etc.. where users can ask questions. I've never been a part of one live, but they're great to go back and read. Someone asked Rabia about Adnan being very neutral on Jay. Her theory, and take it for what it is, because she is family, is that there are people connected to both Jay and Hae's murder that have people in the prison where Adnan is. I just wonder if we go the route of this being some higher up organized crime killing, what did this young girl get murdered for?
The things I came away with from this podcast was that I don't think Adnan should have been convicted. I don't know if he did or didn't, but I fully believe the case should be revisited (he's been granted a chance to appeal in June)
Regardless of what happened, I don't buy the motive of this being a murder of a broken heart. I just don't see it. I'm not saying 100% no way, but it seems highly unlikely. If Adnan did do it, I think it probably was her holding something over his head.
All this is new and fresh to you. For me, it's months old (and semi-dormant).
For me to respond to you point-by-point, I'd have to start the damned story all over again. At present, I simply don't have the time.... we're screaming through a final concert series that is taxing us all to the limits of what we can humanly endure (sometimes, my job is absolutely BRUTAL. "Playing music" sounds like fun to outsiders, but it's anything but, to us insiders...).
During our upcoming "Spring Break." I'll do a binge/revisit of 'Serial.' Maybe then, I'll be able to speak intelligently on the subject(s) you've introduced to this thread. At present, the story of 'Serial' is mixed up with about 10,000 other things I'm dealing with.
BUT... It's also important to note that you know your thread title was enough to suck me into reading it.... that's how much 'Serial' impressed me, 6 moths ago.
Trust me- I'm absolutely gassed that another DTalker has found this story. I want to explore it further, but I'm just too far removed from it (at this present time) to do it any sort of justice.
Gimme a couple weeks to refresh, and I'll be ecstatic to dive into this story with anyone who has gotten into it. I hope that your endorsement of this podcast will compel other Dawgs to dive into the story... there is a wealth of Good Talk to be had, using this story as a 'launching point.'
It's an incredible story. could be doubly as heartbreaking if it turns out Adnan was innocent.
I really like how he made it a point in the middle of this series to let the audience know that he's not trying to sell himself to the listener. He doesn't want people to think he's innocent because he's a nice guy, who's pretty smart, funny, and pretty easy going (especially for a guy in jail). He wants the public to look at the facts rather than what he says.
On the flip side, the girl that works with Sarah on this podcast that you hear every once in a while brings up a pretty valid point. That if Adnan is in fact innocent and had nothing to do with this, that is one hell of a streak of bad luck in a matter of hours.
A week and a half ago the courts in Baltimore have basically allowed for Adnan to get a new trial. They are going to allow evidence to be introduced that was basically tossed aside the first time. Once that evidence is ok'd, he should get a new trial.
Rabia, the lady who brought this story to Serial, has started her own podcast called Undisclosed. If you're really into this story, it's a must. There's some new information, and they go over some of the tape of Jay's interview with police that was not heard on Serial. They seem to think that Jay was coached all the way through it. It's interesting if nothing else. They were also able to prove that there was no wrestling match that day (which throws out where Hae was headed after school) as well as proving that the meetup at Jay's friends house happened on another night.
It's unbelievable how captivating this story is. I still think there is a decent chance that Adnan did this, or at least had some kind of hand in it, but the more things unravel, I have serious doubts.
There is no question he deserves a new trial though. It's just sad that it took this long. I'm the same age as him, and I can't imagine now having the last 15 years of my life. It's mind blowing.
With nothing to go on but the story and my gut.... my money's always been on "Sketchy Jay."
Dude just never 'smelled right' from the beginning, you know?
The one thing that seems to be up in the air is whether or not Jay told the police about the location of Hae's car, before that was made public.
The other thing I just don't get is how she was buried. Kind of half-assed. According to Jay, Adnan told him he was going to kill her. So this thing was premeditated. Then he takes her to a nearby park and half asses it? Even as a kid, that seems a bit odd. I guess other factors can come into play, but you would think someone who had this planned out would have done a better job burying the body.
I also wonder how accurate the autopsy was. Time of death 2:36 seems pretty crazy considering she had to be pretty much at the school at that time. Everyone knows how hectic it is once that final bell rings. It would be really tough to pull that off.
I know the host and her partner actually did a real time simulation of going from school to he Best Buy but it seems like they barely would have been able to do it.
I heard this on the radio Sat afternoon, and forgot to add it to the thread until today. A fascinating stroy just got MORE interesting...
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Adnan Syed, Subject Of 'Serial' Podcast, Gets Hearing On New Evidence
More than 15 years after he was convicted of murdering his ex-girlfriend, Adnan Syed has been granted a hearing to let his lawyers present a possible alibi and questions about cellphone data. Attorneys for Syed, the key figure in the popular podcast Serial, also want to probe "alleged prosecutorial misconduct."
The new development comes months after the Maryland Court of Special Appeals granted Syed's request for a review of his case, giving new momentum to his efforts to appeal his 2000 conviction in the murder of Baltimore high school student Hae Min Lee in January of 1999. Lee's body had been found in a city park, one month after she disappeared. She had been strangled.
Now 35, Syed is serving a life prison term over Lee's death. Baltimore Circuit Court Judge Martin Welch granted the request for a hearing Friday, ordering that it be scheduled sometime in the next 10 days.
The hearing will focus on several facets of Syed's case, including: allegations that his legal representation had been inadequate; claims that prosecutors engaged in misconduct; and the emergence of potential alibi testimony from Asia McClain, a former high school classmate of both Syed and Lee.
McClain was one of the people featured in the Serial podcast about Lee's killing and its aftermath. In an affidavit filed early this year, McClain said she had seen Syed in the Woodlawn High School library on the day of Lee's murder; she also said she was never contacted by Syed's defense attorney.
Questions about the reliability of cellphone-locator technology — and whether it was carefully scrutinized — are a new front in the case, opened by Syed's current attorney, Justin Brown.
From The Baltimore Sun:
"Brown also put forward for the first time a fax cover sheet from AT&T in which the phone company raised questions about the reliability of technology at the time to pinpoint the location of a phone. "Brown obtained an affidavit from the state's expert witness regarding phone technology, who said he would have wanted to know about the disclaimer on the fax cover sheet and it could have changed his testimony." In his order issued Friday, Welch said allowing Syed "to raise the issue of cell tower location reliability and supplement the record with relevant materials would be in the interests of justice."
Welch also ordered that Syed be allowed to introduce McClain's Jan. 13, 2015, affidavit, along with her potential testimony.
Serial, produced by Chicago Public Radio's WBEZ and This American Life, launched in October of 2014 and quickly attracted a devoted following. The second season of the podcast is expected to premiere this month.
Thanks for the update. I've been following the story on the Undisclosed podcast run by Adnan's family friend Rabia. I have missed the last few episodes because of a death in the family and having to travel, and my wife is just not into this type of podcast at all.
The last few epiodes of Undisclosed have been pretty interesting.
I still feel like Adnan could still be guilty, but I really believe a lot of Jay's testimony is being debunked piece by piece. However, I think the chance still exists that Jay is lying, but could actually be right on some points, on chance. I just haven't really seen one good piece of evidence that says Adnan definitely didn't do it. All they have is the friend who said all those years ago that she saw him in the library, which is good evidence, but there really is nothing else...
I've also been digging the Missing Maura Murray podcast which has really gotten better as it goes along. Pretty incredible story that seems to still be developing even after 11 years.
My condolences on your loss, Sperg. That stuff is never easy.
What was so fascinating about this story is how messy and gray it is. Not at all like a L&O episode on TV. Folks bumbled their way through the procedure, memories got fuzzy, testimony was shaky/dubious. Just like everything else in life.
I'd forgotten about the family producing their own media about Adnan's case. Maybe I'll chase it down.
I wish I could get 100% behind Adnan, but he's just sketchy enough himself that I could see him doing it. Jay never seemed credible to me. He always struck me as the kind of guy who was always going to be nearby when some shady stuff went down. Never caught red-handed, but definitely not squeaky-clean either.
This is rekindling my interest in the case. I think I'll try to refresh myself with Serial before I get into Undisclosed. It's been a year now... and like most witnesses, my memory is getting hazy regarding the facts.
p.s. I think Adnan was shafted by the quality of legal rep he got too. That woman sounded like she got her law degree from the side of a cereal box. Adnan always said he was satisfied with the quality of her defense, but I wanted her fired 2 minutes after I heard her for the first time!
My condolences on your loss, Sperg. That stuff is never easy.
What was so fascinating about this story is how messy and gray it is. Not at all like a L&O episode on TV. Folks bumbled their way through the procedure, memories got fuzzy, testimony was shaky/dubious. Just like everything else in life.
I'd forgotten about the family producing their own media about Adnan's case. Maybe I'll chase it down.
I wish I could get 100% behind Adnan, but he's just sketchy enough himself that I could see him doing it. Jay never seemed credible to me. He always struck me as the kind of guy who was always going to be nearby when some shady stuff went down. Never caught red-handed, but definitely not squeaky-clean either.
This is rekindling my interest in the case. I think I'll try to refresh myself with Serial before I get into Undisclosed. It's been a year now... and like most witnesses, my memory is getting hazy regarding the facts.
p.s. I think Adnan was shafted by the quality of legal rep he got too. That woman sounded like she got her law degree from the side of a cereal box. Adnan always said he was satisfied with the quality of her defense, but I wanted her fired 2 minutes after I heard her for the first time!
Thanks.. I mentioned in a thread in a while back that a fear of mine was losing someone close to me. I've been fortunate enough to have good health in our family. I have a step-grandmother, my blood grandmother passed when my mother was in her teens. My grandfather remarried, and had been for 40 years... So I've had all 4 grandparents, as well as all immediate aunts, uncles, and cousins, for which there are TONS, because my parents both came from baby boomer families... It was a really tough week. He had the boy grandsons be pallbearers.. Not easy. He was a WWII veteran so I've never been more honored to do anything in my life. The whole weekend was surreal. We broke own on the way home from Cleveland 30+ miles from Southbend in the middle of the night and had to stay overnight at a hotel. We made the best of the day by hanging out, and stopping at the Grotto at Notre Dame (where Rudy lit the candles right before he got accepted) and lit one for Grandpa. It's still hard to believe he's gone.
Anyway though, the Undisclosed podcast is pretty good. You just have to keep in mind that she's borderline family, so there is going to be a bias, however the information they have provided is good.
I really wish there was a podcast dedicated to Adnan being guilty. I'd love to hear the other side.
The most difficult part of this entire story is the 17 years that have passed. I really wonder how things might have gone if he got a harder look sooner? Why did it take to long for this information to surface? That might be one of my biggest questions. I know there weren't podcasts or blogs back in 1999-2000 so the medium to get your voice out wasn't as easy but it's just crazy to me that the possibility exists that Adnan got robbed of the best years of his life.
You should really check out the Missing Maura Murray podcast. Great driving material. It gets better as the episodes pile up. There's been some new info in the last week and I'm dying to hear the latest episode, whenever it gets released.
Adnan Syed, Subject Of 'Serial' Podcast, Will Get A New Trial
Months after he was granted a new hearing because of new evidence, Adnan Syed, whose 2000 murder conviction was a key focus of the hit podcast Serial, has been granted a new trial, according to his attorneys.
Baltimore City Circuit Judge Martin Welch vacated Syed's conviction, saying in a memorandum that his attorney "fell below the standard of reasonable professional judgment" in handling his case.
Announcing the news Thursday, attorney Justin Brown tweeted in all-caps: "WE WON A NEW TRIAL FOR ADNAN SYED!!!"
The order for a new trial that was issued by the judge also denies two requests for post-conviction relief. One of those requests centered on a trial attorney's "failure to contact a potential alibi witness"; the other was based on "withholding potentially exculpatory evidence related to the reliability of cell tower location evidence."
In a lengthy Memorandum Opinion (embedded below), Judge Welch also acknowledged that the case "represents a unique juncture between the criminal justice system and a phenomenally strong public interest created by modern media."
Saying that parties had repeatedly directed him to the 12-part "episodic internet audio program," Welch wrote that regardless of that public interest, he had done his best to handle Syed's petition on its merits as he would any other case.
As we reported when Syed was granted a hearing last fall:
"More than 15 years after he was convicted of murdering his ex-girlfriend, Adnan Syed has been granted a hearing to let his lawyers present a possible alibi and questions about cellphone data. Attorneys for Syed, the key figure in the popular podcast Serial, also want to probe 'alleged prosecutorial misconduct.' "The new development comes months after the Maryland Court of Special Appeals granted Syed's request for a review of his case, giving new momentum to his efforts to appeal his 2000 conviction in the murder of Baltimore high school student Hae Min Lee in January of 1999. Lee's body had been found in a city park, one month after she disappeared. She had been strangled. "Now 35, Syed is serving a life prison term over Lee's death. Baltimore Circuit Court Judge Martin Welch granted the request for a hearing Friday, ordering that it be scheduled sometime in the next 10 days." Earlier this year, Welch heard testimony from Asia McClain, who had written an email to Serial host Sarah Koenig that stated, "All this time I thought the courts proved it was Adnan that killed her. I thought he was where he deserved to be. Now I'm not so sure."
McClain was also depicted in Serial — as NPR's Andrea Seabrook reported in February, McClain was "the one who says she saw Adnan Syed in the library at the exact same time that the state said he was out committing a murder."
For her court appearance, McClain brought cellphone records and other notes that contradicted prosecutors' version of events, Andrea reported.
In today's memorandum opinion, Welch wrote, "Although [Syed's] trial counsel had notice of the potential alibi witness, neither she nor her staff ever contacted McClain." He added that after the trial, McClain "signed an affidavit on March 25, 2000, stating that she spoke with [Syed] at the library between 2:20 p.m. and 2:40 p.m. on January 13, 1999, and that no attorney had ever contacted her."
Welch also rejected prosecutors' argument that the failure to speak with a potential corroborating witness was a tactical decision on the part of Syed's attorney.
You can read Judge Welch's memorandum opinion for yourself: [photo of memo here]
My thoughts haven't really changed on this story.. I do think he needs a new trial, I also think he will be found not guilty
and probably more than anything, I still think it's possible he did it, although I probably lean a bit toward the side of him not doing it.
Incredibly fascinating story though. I really hope that if he's found to not be guilty of this crime, that there is still a push to find Hae's real killer. It would be sad to see this story buried once Adnan is free. She and her family deserve justice.
My thoughts haven't really changed on this story.. I do think he needs a new trial, I also think he will be found not guilty
and probably more than anything, I still think it's possible he did it, although I probably lean a bit toward the side of him not doing it.
Incredibly fascinating story though. I really hope that if he's found to not be guilty of this crime, that there is still a push to find Hae's real killer. It would be sad to see this story buried once Adnan is free. She and her family deserve justice.
From what I remembered, it seemed clear that that guy "Jay" was at the very least heavily involved.
My thoughts haven't really changed on this story.. I do think he needs a new trial, I also think he will be found not guilty
and probably more than anything, I still think it's possible he did it, although I probably lean a bit toward the side of him not doing it.
Incredibly fascinating story though. I really hope that if he's found to not be guilty of this crime, that there is still a push to find Hae's real killer. It would be sad to see this story buried once Adnan is free. She and her family deserve justice.
From what I remembered, it seemed clear that that guy "Jay" was at the very least heavily involved.
He knows who the real killer is
The million dollar question is did jay tip them off about where her car was, or was it fed to him?
That part of the case has not really been made clear. Obviously if he gave that info to them than he's either telling the truth or is involved more than he's been saying. If he didn't have that info he may as well have been making up the whole thing.
There are some in the camp of Adnan that think Jay fingered Adnan to cover do someone else and that the same person has influence in the prison where Adnan is at. If you notice from the podcast he doesn't really slam Jay in the interviews with Sarah. Kinda weird, no?
Adnan Syed, subject of ‘Serial’ podcast, granted new trial By CRISTIANO LIMA 03/29/2018 04:48 PM EDT
Adnan Syed, whose murder conviction was chronicled in the first season of the wildly popular “Serial” podcast, deserves a new trial, a Maryland appeals panel ruled Thursday.
Syed, who in 2000 was convicted of first-degree murder and kidnapping after the death of his ex-girlfriend Hae Min Lee, was deemed by the Maryland Court of Special Appeals, the state’s second-highest court, to have received inadequate counsel from his defense attorney during his two original trials.
The court ruled that Syed’s original attorney, Cristina Gutierrez, failed to call a witness who, if found credible by a jury, “would have made it impossible for Syed to have murdered Hae.”
“Because Syed’s convictions for kidnapping, robbery, and false imprisonment are predicated on his commission of Hae’s murder, these convictions must be vacated as well,” the appeals panel wrote. “The instant case will be remanded for a new trial on all charges against Syed.”
Syed’s appeal rested largely on the unheard testimony of Asia McClain, a fellow schoolmate at Woodlawn High School in Baltimore County, who claimed to have spoken to the defendant during the precise period when prosecutors alleged he had murdered Lee.
Syed’s case rose to national prominence in 2014, when Sarah Koenig, a journalist for the public radio program “This American Life,” began digging into claims that he had been wrongfully convicted.
Justin Brown, Syed’s new lawyer, said during a news conference that he and his client were “thrilled” by the court ruling, according to reports, and that Syed “asked me to convey his deep gratitude and thanks from the bottom of his heart to all those who have supported him and believed in him.”
Brown cited the podcast as “immensely helpful” in helping to bring new light to the case.
Adnan Syed, subject of ‘Serial’ podcast, granted new trial By CRISTIANO LIMA 03/29/2018 04:48 PM EDT
Adnan Syed, whose murder conviction was chronicled in the first season of the wildly popular “Serial” podcast, deserves a new trial, a Maryland appeals panel ruled Thursday.
Syed, who in 2000 was convicted of first-degree murder and kidnapping after the death of his ex-girlfriend Hae Min Lee, was deemed by the Maryland Court of Special Appeals, the state’s second-highest court, to have received inadequate counsel from his defense attorney during his two original trials.
The court ruled that Syed’s original attorney, Cristina Gutierrez, failed to call a witness who, if found credible by a jury, “would have made it impossible for Syed to have murdered Hae.”
“Because Syed’s convictions for kidnapping, robbery, and false imprisonment are predicated on his commission of Hae’s murder, these convictions must be vacated as well,” the appeals panel wrote. “The instant case will be remanded for a new trial on all charges against Syed.”
Syed’s appeal rested largely on the unheard testimony of Asia McClain, a fellow schoolmate at Woodlawn High School in Baltimore County, who claimed to have spoken to the defendant during the precise period when prosecutors alleged he had murdered Lee.
Syed’s case rose to national prominence in 2014, when Sarah Koenig, a journalist for the public radio program “This American Life,” began digging into claims that he had been wrongfully convicted.
Justin Brown, Syed’s new lawyer, said during a news conference that he and his client were “thrilled” by the court ruling, according to reports, and that Syed “asked me to convey his deep gratitude and thanks from the bottom of his heart to all those who have supported him and believed in him.”
Brown cited the podcast as “immensely helpful” in helping to bring new light to the case.
I remembered how deep off into this one you were. It's why I bumped it.
I agree with you assessment that this case deserved another look. I'm actually quite glad to see them re-try this. Justice demands that we get it right, if possible.
"Serial" is an amazing 'rabbit hole journey' every time it drops. This time- it hits home with us Ohioans... and looks to explore many of the topics that land in this very forum.
I am so pumped to take this ride. I love this project.
Very cool of Cleveland to offer so many venues to be recorded in. That should be the normal. More information to the public is the best thing we can do. All the episodes so far have been very good.
I'm less genre specific. They do great work, so I'm all in.
Their spinoff, "Embeded" is very good, too. They spent time doing ride-alongs with 3 different police depts. They also did a miniseries on coal country, which I shared. It got zero traction, despite the healthy dialogue this place has seen since the 2016 election runup.
I'm less genre specific. They do great work, so I'm all in.
Their spinoff, "Embeded" is very good, too. They spent time doing ride-alongs with 3 different police depts. They also did a miniseries on coal country, which I shared. It got zero traction, despite the healthy dialogue this place has seen since the 2016 election runup.
There's no doubt the Serial people do a great job with presentation, and research. I just will lost interest if the content isn't something I am interested in...
I've been listening to the Who Killed Amy Mihaljevic? podcast which has done a really really good job bringing some attention to a 30 year old cold case from NEO. A lot of people on this forum may remember being gripped by the disappearance from Bay Village, and eventual discovery out in Ashland County.
A lot of people close to the case think this one may get solved sooner rather than later with these new DNA tactics. We've already seen huge cases solved in the last 6 months. Amazing stuff. The guy running the podcast is doing a hell of a job. He doesn't have the production value or the resources like Serial has, but the sound quality is fine, and the content itself will bring you right in.
I'm less genre specific. They do great work, so I'm all in.
Their spinoff, "Embeded" is very good, too. They spent time doing ride-alongs with 3 different police depts. They also did a miniseries on coal country, which I shared. It got zero traction, despite the healthy dialogue this place has seen since the 2016 election runup.
I think for most people podcasts are very genre specific. I'm not a fan of true crime series, and never got the appeal of serial, but I can't get enough of this new season.
