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at least all that they know about... We may never know how the whole thing unfolded from start to finish since everybody is pleading out.... I guess maybe some day one of them will get a literate person to write a book on their behalf..

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This sport DC is so underground that not just anyone can go to these shows or talk to these breeders. They dont exist on paper nor the dogs exist.

I said before months ago that people would not believe the people that are at/involved with these things ( stars athletes,police, judges, etc.)

It's really deep, I don't take sides on it and i don't agree with it I am just a historian of the dogs before the Animial welfare act of 1976

I didn't intend for it to "sound" personal towards you DC.

Just saying that working with the facts at hand,we know he financed it,no matter "who's idea" that was. We know he attended the fights themselves and was present when the brutality was elivated and witnessed the electricution and hanging of these dogs.

There are a lot of blanks to fill in that we may never know as you said. My point,not directed at you per say,but those who call this "a mistake" is to show it was many purposefull,illegal and creal actions breaking many of these same laws over a long period of time.

But you are right. It most certainly is a very personal issue with me. But I didn't mean for it to sound as if I was going off on you directly about it.

Just trying to show that the blanks we do have filled in are enough to establish these repeated offenses over time.

Sorry I wasn't clearer on that DC.

Vick's jury has been selected...



(Not sure if this was posted yet or not.)

Just another piece illustrating the deep cultural taboo that Vick violated.

As it should be.

Is that a porkpie hat ?? Looked for a minute like an Amish pimp.

Love the cartoon.. just sent that to my folks.

Snoopy is scaring the hell out of me.

Astro and Scooby don't look too happy. Droopy lookes tired.

Droopy looks like the old guy that fell asleep listening to testimony

So, it's over. Alleged puppy abuser and PETA Hall of Famer Michael "The Dog Whisperer" Vick is headed to the hoosegow, making it safe again for canines across the globe. Pit bulls everywhere are taking a bite out of someone's ass in celebration.

In all seriousness, the Vick plea makes this one of the sadder and darker moments in NFL history. One of the league's marquee players is headed to prison for a terrible crime. He deserved to go to prison if what he is accused of is accurate, and apparently it is because I don't know about you, but I'm not pleading guilty to a crime I did not commit.


Michael Vick's NFL future? He'll be back. (US Presswire)
So though Vick got what he deserved, the NFL and Atlanta Falcons also take a major hit as one of their own are again making the wrong kind of headlines. Vick was the face of Atlanta and in some ways the face of the NFL.

Vick's reputation is forever tainted but if you think Vick will never wear an NFL uniform again please read carefully the following words from an NFL general manager. They will end up being prophetic.

"If he goes to prison, time will pass," said the general manager, who spoke before news of a potential Vick plea agreement and asked not to be identified, claiming the NFL has asked current team officials not to publicly comment on the Vick case. "Months or years will pass, if he does go to jail. If he went to jail, and then left prison down the road, he'd still be relatively young, and there'd be a line of 15 to 20 teams waiting to sign him. Trust me on that. Teams are going to say, 'F--- PETA. F--- the bad pub. This guy is one of the most talented players of the last 10 years. I'll take my chances.'

"Teams may say one thing publicly. But if he gets out of jail, we'll all be looking at Vick hard. We're all whores in football. You know the saying. We'd sign an ax murderer if he has ability. He'll be back. He won't be back in Atlanta probably but he'll be back in professional football. You can count on it."

The general manager also stated he believes that Vick will return as a running back.

And this is the biggest point emerging from this mess: We have not heard the last of Michael Vick. Not by a long shot.

POLLWill Michael Vick play in the NFL again?
Not sure
Yes: But not at QB
No: Are you kidding
Yes: He'll still have talent




Because Americans love a comeback even more than we love our dogs.

His career in Atlanta is indeed over. Vick will not be a Falcon again. Not just because of the animal cruelty case but because the Michael Vick Experiment was coming to an end anyway. The owner, coaches and teammates were all starting to tire of Vick's various episodes. His welcome on that team was slowly but certainly eroding and anyone who doubts that is a fool.

Before Vick was running dog fighting enterprises, he was already a polarizing figure in Atlanta.

No, he won't be a Falcon, but he will be an NFL player again for the exact reason the general manager stated: the sport is run by 'hos.

Yes, that's a football word: 'ho.

There is no gender connotation to this word; it is not meant to be derogatory toward women. It is used by the general manager in this simple context: teams will do anything -- anything -- for talent. To win.

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Some foolhardy, daredevil coach or general manager, an organization willing to stand toe-to-toe with the hypocrites and phonies from PETA, will roll tape of previous moves and gyrations of the athletic Vick and say: "Get his agent on the phone. Stat. Oh, and order some extra security for his tryout."

Not even Roger Goodell's just crusade against the perps in his league will stop a Vick comeback. As fast as you can say NFL teams would sell their souls for a good pass rusher, Vick will be back.

He'll go to prison, work out with the fellas in the yard -- maybe play some ball with Burt Reynolds and the Mean Machine -- do some pushups in his 4 by 6 cell, channel some Tupac, toss in a few pull-ups and then emerge fit and ready to go.

Oh, there will be an NFL suspension, or maybe a stint or two with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, but Vick is strong enough to outlast our attention-deficit disorder society and valuable enough of a commodity to attract NFL teams post-orange jumpsuit.

Several NFL sources said they doubt the commissioner will issue a lifetime ban against Vick. It will probably be a suspension of one year, the sources said. To be truthful, it wouldn't be fair to permanently ban Vick. If Vick goes to prison, serves his time, pays his debt, he should be allowed to come back to football.

Remember, this is a league that has employed murder suspects, players that have killed people while driving drunk, chronic women beaters, gun runners, drug dealers, former gang members, and all kinds of creeps and cretins, swine and smut-like -- all in the name of talent.

This is how it will go. When Vick leaves the comfortable hospitality of the federal prison system, he will hire the best PR firm on the planet. They will give him force-field protection from his critics, sway those on the fence and virtually fellate his supporters.

He'll sit down with some sympathetic, non-probing marshmallow soft interviewer and Vick will gush and cry and say he has paid his debt to society. It'll be a moment that would make Oprah look like Mike Wallace.

A team like, say, the Oakland Raiders will sign Vick and say he paid his debt to society (you'll hear that phrase a lot when he gets out of prison). He'll do a one-time press conference then melt away behind the protection of teammates and bodyguards.

Then whatever team Vick plays for he'll lead them to the postseason and his comeback will be complete. The only thing that will be missing is Vick's search for the real killer.

Remember something: Vick is only 27-years-old. Just 27.

It is true that much of Vick's game was built on a foundation of young, strong legs and as he gets older, those legs become more brittle. No question. Yet Vick is such a superb athlete that there is still plenty of run in those feet.

So Vick will be back. Because the 'hos in the NFL can't help themselves.

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(AP) Atlanta NAACP Chapter President R.L. White, left, speaks as Morocco Coleman looks on during a news...
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Atlanta NAACP: After Sentence, Let Quarterback Michael Vick Return to NFL, Preferably Falcons
Aug 22, 1:18 PM (ET) Email this Story

By ERRIN HAINES
ATLANTA (AP) - An NAACP leader said Michael Vick should be allowed to return to the NFL, preferably the Atlanta Falcons, after serving his sentence for his role in a dogfighting operation.

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter. "We further ask the NFL, Falcons, and the sponsors not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of enjoyment to fans all over this country."

White said the Falcons quarterback made a mistake and should be allowed to prove he has learned from that mistake.

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and say Vick provided nearly all the gambling and operating funds for the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs, raising the possibility of the animal cruelty charges.


Last month, state and local leaders of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People urged the public not to rush to judgment in the Vick case. The civil rights organization said animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media were vilifying the embattled athlete, and that his team and corporate sponsors were prematurely punishing Vick.

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts of the case might never be known.

"Some have said things to save their own necks," White said. "Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being."

White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting.

"His crime is, it was a dog," White said.

What an absolute load of crap.

I got that same email!

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White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting.

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IDIOT. "as bad as hunting!?!?"

Is this guy out of his freaking mind!?!?!?

I think its funny how we as Americans have become distanced from Hunting. Hunting is the original way to provide for yourself and your family. Now we just go to the grocery store. Sometimes I wish that America was plunged back into the early days when there weren't grocery stores--then idiot people like this would starve to death because they wouldn't know how to go out and get dinner.

"As bad as hunting." What a piece of garbage.

The NAACP doesn't seem to understand the concept of conspiracy, bankrolling a criminal enterprise, and interstate gambling.....

Big shocker there.....

jc..

Once Vick does his time, I'm fine with him attempting to get back into football if he so chooses and the league doesn't ban him. The same treatment we all deserve if you pay your consequences.

But I do find it disheartening that if this was any one of us, our lives would be turned upside down, and we would be turned down for many jobs. but Vick and his profile will allow his past to be overlooked in many circles.

But if I was him, I'd just sit on my money and enjoy what years you have left after prison, travel, see the world, rebuild your image with volunteering and so forth.

If the NAACP represents mainstream black America....no wonder the black community continues to fall behind other minority groups.

The guy doesn't even get his crimes aren't about a dog.

What a dipstick that guy is.

Compares it to hunting......I am sorry I even read this...I better get off this thread for a while before I get kicked out of this place.

There are a few that are missing.. thats not a full jury either.. where are Muttley and Huckleberry Hound?

I didn't see Odie or Krypto either.... That would make a jury of 12...

Right you are sir!

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What an absolute load of crap.

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no doubt....i gotta wonder if the naacp feels that dj that made an unfortunate comment about that girls basketball team should get his job back and be forgiven too....that guy lost his job because of the opinions of some...and i doubt he'll get it back...that dude didn't even break a law....

the same goes for dogfighting....its opinion....and a law....i think its repulsive....i had a dog for awhile, and had to get rid of him cause my daughter was allergic...he was a cool, playful dog, and just naturally protective of my children...

he shouldn't be shunned...meaning once he does his time, the right thing to do is forgive him....but he shouldn't be guaranteed his cushy qb job back.....go sell some insurance, or work for McDonalds....

what an absolute joke....especially from that organization....


and to compare it to hunting.....gafb....how does this guy think we get our meat now.....from slaughterhouses where the animals have no chance....there killed on a assembly line...

at least when you hunt the animal has half a chance...

[QUOTE]White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting. [/QUOTE]

Let's compare:

Hunting: Animal is in the wild, they are not easy to find, they have their environment and their acute senses to their advantage, and have the chance to avoid and/or escape the hunter.

Dog Fighting: Dog are kept in 5'x5' cages, they are beaten, they are forced into a cage to fight another dog, if they lose, they are executed, and usually not in a humane way.

Now to make the 2 similar, we would need to make hunting a sport that happens at the petting zoo. And make it so you have to eat the dog after you kill it.

You don't even need to explain that.

Only a total moron buys into what the NAACP had to say on the issue.

With leadership like that, it is little wonder the black community has been surpassed by every other minority group.

I can't believe that the NAACP wants him to NOT be banned from football,,, are they just stupid?

And this Marbury guy... what's wrong with him.. even if Dog Fighting weren't morally corrupt, the fact remains that it's illegal... if for no other reason, Vick has to pay to the piper because of that..

I'm not a racist,, but why is it almost automatic that if a well known Black man or woman does something like this, suddenly the NAACP jumps in and defends him.. Damn, if he's wrong, he's wrong.. doesn't matter what freaking color he is..

It's funny, I don't remember R.L. White saying that Jimmy "The Greek" deserved a second chance.

The best way I can describe it is "pure double standard".

Imus says something offensive yet legal.

They want his carrer destroyed.

Vick commits numerous illegal acts.

They expect kindness and mercy.

It's quite sickenning. And if they ever expect anyone to take them seriously,or their own race to progress further,they really need to stop the excuses and double standards for that to occur.

JMHO

Well Halfback and other non readers on this topic,
I was wondering when you all would get to your usual NAACP bashing!! But of course, you all failed to read a key component of that article, the part about it being the "R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter"!!... I guess you all failed to read that part, you know, about it being one chapter that is backing Vick, not the entire organization!!!! Nope, the bashers/non-readers of course missed that part of it entire article.
As a matter of fact lets look at what the national chapter stated:

NAACP: Vick must be held responsible
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7145048

hopefully the large print will help some of you all read!

The blacks that I've seen, who continue to support Vick, refuse to admit he's guilty. Many of them contend that he plead guilty because he was pressured to do so and that those who made plea agreements to testify against him are all liars... even though they're black too..

So it's not just a policy of ... support the black guy over the white guy... it's support the high profile rich black guy over the other black guys...