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Affiliations in the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray format war have been pretty clearly defined for nearly two years now -- despite a hybrid player here and some international releases there, most of the players involved have not switched support since the early days. Well that's all about to change, as Paramount Pictures and Dreamworks Animation -- which started off HD DVD only before deciding to go both ways -- have officially announced plans to release movies exclusively on HD DVD, dropping Blu-ray support entirely. This means that hits like Transformers, Shrek the Third and Blades of Glory won't follow Mission: Impossible III as cross-format releases when they debut this holiday season. Paramount has released about 30 movies on Blu-ray so far, but those days have come to an end: apparently cheaper HD players trump a 2:1 sales advantage. We can't wait to see how the Blu-ray camp responds to this. linky
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Good for them they just lost a ton of potential sales.
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The article stats that HD DVD out sells bluray so why would they lose alot of money? Looks like they were losing money making blurays in the first place.
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The article stats that HD DVD out sells bluray so why would they lose alot of money? Looks like they were losing money making blurays in the first place.
It doesn't really. They don't factor in the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player (which many people do since PS3's the cheapest AND best and most futureproof Blu-Ray player on the market), in reality Blu-Ray disc sales greatly outnumber HD-DVD disc sales.
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From what I've seen, I believe I've seen more blu-ray off the shelves everytime I'm at Bestbuy. I'm not being biased or anything, just the truth.
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From what I've seen, I believe I've seen more blu-ray off the shelves everytime I'm at Bestbuy. I'm not being biased or anything, just the truth.
Cool, from now on I will use you as my source when telling people that Blue-Ray is outselling HD-DVD's.
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The article stats that HD DVD out sells bluray so why would they lose alot of money? Looks like they were losing money making blurays in the first place.
It doesn't really. They don't factor in the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player (which many people do since PS3's the cheapest AND best and most futureproof Blu-Ray player on the market), in reality Blu-Ray disc sales greatly outnumber HD-DVD disc sales.
Do you have a link backing this up?
Because everything that I have read states the exact opposite of what you just said.
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I'm not gonna get into a pissing match over this cuz quite frankly I think it's stupid and a waste of time, like console wars except worse. I don't understand why they can't just support both formats. But here's links that say otherwise. http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=397Blu-ray Disc Sales Continue Dominance Posted August 14, 2007 by Josh According to Home Media Research, during the first half of 2007 a total of 1.6M movies were sold on the Blu-ray format. Rival HD DVD sold less than half during the same time period, with a total of 795,000 movies sold. Since the launch of the formats, Blu-ray has amassed sales of 2.2M movies compared to just 1.5M on HD DVD (which includes data collected through July). Blu-ray continues to maintain a 2:1 sales advantage over its rival heading into the all-important holiday shopping season, and with the long list of upcoming Blu-ray releases, including 'Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End' and 'Spider-man 3', that sales advantage will continue to increase. Consumers are overwhelmingly showing their support for Blu-ray, a fact that has not escaped many studios and retailers who recently announced Blu-ray exclusivity. The recent release of Warner Brothers '300' gave a sales boost to both formats. The Blu-ray version sold 190,000 copies since the title went on sale, compared to 97,000 on HD DVD, according to Warner's Steve Nickerson. Since the majority of these sales occurred in August, Blu-ray is expecting to report strong numbers for the month. http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=395Blu-ray Players Outpassing Rival HD DVD Posted August 11, 2007 by Josh Retailers are reporting that, despite HD DVD's price advantage, Blu-ray stand alone players are selling better than HD DVD stand alone players, and could be selling much more if supply could keep up with demand. Abt Electronics and Ultimate Electronics have reported that sales of Blu-ray players have increased dramatically since the introduction of low cost 2nd-generation players, and that current supplies are very tight. John Abt, VP of Abt Electronics commented, "With all of the introductions of Blu-ray product, we have seen more sales in BD than in HD DVD, because there are so many options now out for consumers." “We were seeing a 50/50 split in unit sales,” Bjorn Dybdahl, president of Bjorn's said. “That was primarily all three Toshiba players versus Sony's $499 players. If the Blu-ray group wants to put a death knell on HD DVD, then they need to get it everywhere very quickly.”
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Here is a more recent article:
HD DVD Sales Soar To Number One Again - HD DVD Winning In Europe
Or, maybe you are referring to this old article from February:
Sony Computer Entertainment of America points out that the Blu-Ray is now officially beating HD-DVD
See, they were EXPECTING the PS3 to win the "war" and all it did was provide a bump.
HD-DVD is clearly in the lead.
Really Blade, we get it, you hate anything Sony and love MS to the point that you want to kiss the ground Bill Gates walks on but for God's sake try to not ignore the facts.
You probably passed up 20 articles stating that Blu-ray is in fact ahead of HD-DVD in total sales world wide to get the one article that said HD-DVD is ahead.....IN EUROPE. 
If you want to read articles that manipulate points then fine, but Blu-ray is leading in North America, Australia and Asia. HD-DVD is leading in Europe.
Acording to NPD + Media Create
Stand alone Blu-ray Players + PS3 have sold ~ 4.5 million units.
Stand alone HD-DVD + 360 Add on has sold ~ 850,000 units.
Stand alone Blu-ray players have sold ~ 350,000 units
Stand alone HD-DVD have sold ~ 450,000 units
So yes if you compare Stand alone units HD-DVD is ahead but add in the PS3 + HD-DVD add on and it's not even close. That's why they call the PS3 the Trojan Horse for Blu-ray. If it wasn't for the PS3, Blu-ray wouln't be ahead in overall disc sales because people like me wouldn't own any Blu-ray movies (I now own 6).
If the 360 had had the HD-DVD drive built in this war would have been over before it started. You can bet that if they could go back then it would have been that way. Microsoft just gave Paramount $100 million and Dreamworks $50 million to be HD-DVD exlusive plus add in the Billion dollars to fix the problems with the first generation 360's. If that money would have been used to before to make the 360 with HD-DVD drive it would of crushed Blu-ray by now. MS and Toshiba knows they missed the boat on that but it's easy to be monday morning QB now.
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Blockbuster has dropped HD DVD and will only rent Blu Ray discs and 70% of all next gen DVD rentals from blockbuster have been Blu Ray.
I think Blu ray will end up winning, I look at history and personal expereince. I wonder , for how many people, their PS2 was their first DVD player, I know mine was.
The PS3 will be my first Blu Ray player.
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Oh yeah and Disney is Blu Ray exclusive
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I think Blu ray will end up winning,
Maybe, but IMO it's only mile 2 of a marathon. Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD have enourmous ground to make up on DVD's. This war will take years and in the end I think we will have a comprimise and a dual disc reader in all players, (player that reads both formats).
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Blade, those are the top 10 blu-ray sales against the top 10 hd-dvd if im not mistaken.
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Really Blade, we get it, you hate anything Sony and love MS to the point that you want to kiss the ground Bill Gates walks on but for God's sake try to not ignore the facts.
Once again, you're wrong.
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You probably passed up 20 articles stating that Blu-ray is in fact ahead of HD-DVD in total sales world wide to get the one article that said HD-DVD is ahead
Actually, it was first on the list. Wrong again.
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Did you even read the freakin articles?
The first article was overall. The second article was Europe.
Get a clue, dude.
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http://www.blu-ray.com
I could have used hddvd.com but I didn't for obvious reasons.
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Did you even read the freakin articles?
The first article was overall. The second article was Europe.
Get a clue, dude.
It's funny you say get a clue when you don't have one. The article was a slanted blog that twisted the date to get a pre-determined ending. What is the article's source? Amazon.com....last time I checked that didn't represent all markets.
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Blu-ray outpaces HD-DVD in U.S.: Home Media Research
Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:32PM EDT
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Blu-ray high-definition movie discs outsold films on the rival HD-DVD format by 2-to-1 in the United States in the first half of 2007, Home Media Research said on Tuesday.
The division of Home Media Magazine said total sales of Blu-ray discs, using a Sony Corp (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research)-backed technology, totaled 1.6 million units from January 1 through July 1, compared with 795,000 HD-DVD discs sold in that period.
HD-DVD was developed by Toshiba Corp (6502.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and backed by Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and film studios such as Warner Bros.
Both formats were launched in spring of 2006. An estimated 3.7 million high-definition discs have been sold, including 2.2 million in Blu-ray and 1.5 million in HD-DVD through the end of July, according to Home Media.
A Home Media spokeswoman said Blu-ray got a further boost in August from strong sales of the "300" title. Stephen Nickerson, senior vice president, market management at Warner Home Video (TWX.N: Quote, Profile, Research), reported sales of about 190,000 Blu-ray units of the film, versus 97,000 in HD-DVD since July 31.
The industry-wide standards war is reminiscent of the VHS and Betamax battle.
Blockbuster Inc (BBI.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the largest U.S. provider of home movie entertainment, in June set out plans to line its shelves with Blu-ray DVDs, saying Blu-ray rentals were "significantly outpacing" HD-DVD rentals.
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I could have used hddvd.com but I didn't for obvious reasons.
Come back with a better, unbiased source.
No you used blog page set up to get petitions for more HD-DVD Studio Support.......yeah that's an unbiased source. LMAO @ Blade
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The article stats that HD DVD out sells bluray so why would they lose alot of money? Looks like they were losing money making blurays in the first place.
Because they lose the sales of every single person who has blu-ray...
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The article stats that HD DVD out sells bluray so why would they lose alot of money? Looks like they were losing money making blurays in the first place.
Because they lose the sales of every single person who has blu-ray...
And because of it, no Transformers 2...
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Bay seems to have realized he was being an idiot by saying no Transformers 2... Michael Bay HD-DVD post 08/21/2007 07:51 PM Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-Ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-Ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard. As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision. So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks! So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2! Michael Bay http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/index.html
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Maybe, but IMO it's only mile 2 of a marathon. Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD have enourmous ground to make up on DVD's. This war will take years and in the end I think we will have a comprimise and a dual disc reader in all players, (player that reads both formats).
So true. People need HDTV to benefit from BluRay or HD-DVD, and HDTV has been readily available for what 10 years or so. Any stats on how many households own an HDTV?
I Realize prices are dropping every few months, making them more affordable, but most people aren't just tossing out their old TV for a new one without a reason, whether the old TV is going bad, or they are just interested in moving up to HD.
From August 2005:
*The projection for 2009 is that 48.7 million of households will have HDTV, 47.4 million will have DVR, 47.1 million will have VOD enabled, and 111.7 million will have digital TV
From an article July 2007 ( http://www.emarketer.com/Article.aspx?id=1005200&src=article_head_sitesearch )
Less than 10% of US consumers said they were familiar with HD-DVD or Blu-ray formats.
I think we are a couple years away from one format pulling away from the other. The demand for either is just not really there yet.
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Well, I think the demand is there for a HD DVD player/camcorder/DVD writer.....but with having two formats, the hardware side is going to have to wait. I know I'm one person that wants HD stuff.....but the TV and cable service is about all I'm going to buy with the two formats fighting it out.
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Your absolutely right Punch.
I would love to go get a new HD DVD player or Blu Ray disc player. I would also already have one if I new which one to buy. The fact is I don't want to waste my money if I guess wrong.
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Get a PS3 or an XBOX 360 Elite, either way you get a system and a player, I guess you could make your decision on the games you like or whatever, but for me I just can't see how you can go wrong with blu-ray, every single 360 = a new Blu ray player in someones house, where as you have to buy an XBOX360 Elite to get a HD-DVD player.
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Get a PS3 or an XBOX 360 Elite, either way you get a system and a player, I guess you could make your decision on the games you like or whatever, but for me I just can't see how you can go wrong with blu-ray, every single 360 = a new Blu ray player in someones house, where as you have to buy an XBOX360 Elite to get a HD-DVD player.
The Elite doesn't have the built in player, otherwise I would have gotten that instead of a PS3.
By the way, pulled the trigger on the PS3 yesterday, love it so far. Quality piece of machinery.
Best Buy sold me on the 2 year replacement plan even though I really didn't wanna pull the trigger on it, they said "You can bring it back for any reason, even if the controller breaks we'll replace your unit, IF THERE'S AN UPGRADE TO THE SYSTEM, or even if you just don't like it we'll give you $500 credit at the store."
There's gonna be a PS3 upgrade in the next two years...are you thinking what I'm thinking?
And I just might get some store credit cuz the price will have dropped by then...
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..are you thinking what I'm thinking?
ummm, your gonna pull the trigger?
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Wait, what about the XBOX 360?
I have a 360 with a warrenty, I wonder if I could upgrade to the elite, is that basically what they meant?
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I think, might be worth a shot.
If not, you could get a new one for $50 off and get a game with the extra store credit, I think. I just read a trick where you run the microwave with the console inside for 3-4 seconds and it doesn't look like you broke it.
Ehh, I'll just rip off a stick on the controller if I have to.
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Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
At least I admit it.
There were articles saying that HD-DVD was winning, there were articles saying Blu Ray was winning.
I just wish they would freakin' pick, already.
Personally, I think HD is going to win for the same reasons VHS won.....HD is way cheaper.
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I just read a trick where you run the microwave with the console inside for 3-4 seconds and it doesn't look like you broke it.
Why doesn't it surprise me that you would actually try this?
Why not try being honest?
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Cause it's easier to take advantage of loopholes in the contract, so they have to replace it, then charge more for other goods to the rest of us to offset the loss. 
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I went to Best buy during the release of 300 and it was $30 for Blu-Ray and $35 for HD-DVD
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I went to Best buy during the release of 300 and it was $30 for Blu-Ray and $35 for HD-DVD
The main reason is the HD-DVD has one side HD-DVD and the other side just DVD.
Probably because when it fails you can turn it over and play the DVD part in a Blu-ray drive.  
Just kidding, they do it because people can buy the movie now and watch it and later if they upgrade to HD-DVD they won't have to rebuy it for that format.
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hits like Transformers, Shrek the Third and Blades of Glory won't follow Mission: Impossible III as cross-format releases when they debut this holiday season. Paramount has released about 30 movies on Blu-ray so far, but those days have come to an end: apparently cheaper HD players trump a 2:1 sales advantage. We can't wait to see how the Blu-ray camp responds to this.
bump. lol.
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for a second i thought this was a new topic, and i'm thinkin, "man i thought hddvd died a long time ago?"
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After all this....I still get most of my movies in DVD or digital format. We'll rent a Blu-ray from Redbox when the DVD version is out, but that's about it (Netflix was upcharging us a while back and I thought what they charged was a ripoff - I canceled Netflix in Oct and have been quite happy with RB).
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I still hate blu-ray although I now have a player...
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