DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 42 Raiders 45 Whywas that not a fumble?

What happenend?

Not reviewable. The officials blew.

Sorry, blew the whistle.

I wonder why ...

And if its a clear recovery ...

I’m really miffed ...

Miffed. That's a .... polite ... word for my feelings.

Screw these refs!! Should have been game over!!! We should have won easily

Yeah, there should be a criminal investigation into the officiating in this game.

Not only was there no whistle before the ball came out - because it came out as soon as Carr was touched .... there was no evidence that the review of Cleveland's first down should have been over ruled.

Total garbage from the Refs today - and moron commentators talking about what a great job they did.

Game was 100% stolen from the Browns today. What junk.

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Ruling of "in the grasp" in Oakland, is not reviewable. It is also not in the grasp. It is a clear fumble before he would have been in the grasp.

WE were robbed, pure and simple!!!

I'm so done with Grassketball. If I wanted to watch shoddily covered up game tampering I'd stick with the NBA. I miss football I mean the refs always sucked and were biased but at least they had the dignity to make up good excuses.

I left the bar when they clearly ripped off our icing of the game, like a good team is supposed to do.

Not sure how to win when you do what a good team does and it's enough to win and the refs just decide you don't win.

I'm so sad, my biggest hobby in life is now dead to me

How are you all coping with this?

Today was pathetic!!!!!!!!! refs cheated us its as simple as that! It was a fumble lucky we still scored, and guess what it was a first down! we lost because of the refs today its as simple as that. I cant believe Barber called this ref crew the most experienced crew in the nfl. If thats the case IM DONE NO MORE.

We were cheated and robbed. Ridiculous.

This is a loser's mentality.

we were a victim of the NFL wanting the Raiders to remain relevant, nothing more IMO

Lying cheating pieces of shart. That's what happened. They're screwing us weekly like it's their job.

No. The refs were just bad. It happens.

This is a FOS comment.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but this was 2 blatantly bad calls that changed the game completely.

And yet we were up eight near the end of the game. Stop them on defense or stop the two point try and we win. The Raiders didn't automatically win because of bad calls.

(I am not denying the calls were bad.)

The phantom whistle on that fumble was awful. Then the Browns win the game on a 3rd down run, and the refs overturn (which never happens) the spot, and give the Browns a WORSE spot.

The Browns punt the ball away, and refs once again, miss a block in the back, and the Raiders make a big play on special teams.

The Raiders were holding all game, and were not flagged once for it.

Just unbelievable. I am fuming over this loss. We were absolutely robbed today. That is an absolute disgrace, especially considering the NFL is one of the most powerful sports organizations in the world.

the missed block in the back was huge too

IMO the refs don't coincidentally get BAD right then.

They were bad the whole game. Myles Garrett was getting held basically every play.

Were they as bad the other way though? I don't know, ust asking

No clue. I just know that every fanbase complains about the refs every game. Everyone hates the refs. If the team plays better, we win. It's that simple.

That call, non fumble, was one of the worst calls I’ve seen

The non first down, was one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen, someone should be fired . This isn’t drunken hyperbole btw

That is overly simplistic nonsense. But hey, stand your ground.

They also got the return on the punt with TWO obvious block in the back calls ignored.

You can overcome a bad call, maybe two, this game had at least 5.

I envy your ability to not care. I mean that too, not an insult. I wish I could keep watching as football is one of my biggest loves of life, but what we are seeing is not football.

I don't know how you can not say that the overturned first down and the "non fumble" didn't change the game. There is being level headed, and then there is just being contrary.


The turnovers hurt, but they overcame them, the calls were horrendous and back breaking.

Completely agree... the fumble I get... it was way too fast of a whistle but you want to coddle the friggin qb... I get it... I don't like it but I could live with thwt... how the hell do you have enough friggin evidence to over turn that third down run?!? That was clearly a first down... not even close... and you overturn it...

I do care. I just think that playing better solves the issue of the refs being bad.

Fired? Why? They are doing their job. This is the result they wanted. If anything they'll be rewarded.

One of the classic ways the Browns lose is when we need to ice the game we don't get the yards running to put it away.

Today we did that. The Refs said they don't care.

Our players aren't superhuman.

The refs aren't the people who overturn challenged plays.

Send that video to Goodell's e mail

It's a shame the refs made 2 game changing calls that went against us,,,,,game changing calls that were wrong.

Not that it going to make any difference but I am calling the NFL office to let them know I am getting tired of the refs being on the take.

I don't want to watch rigged football.

It was a fumble and there was no evidence at all to change the spot which would have ended the game.

Also, what about Lynch punting the ball right in front of the ref. Why was that not called?

Being a Browns fan shouldn't be so damned exhausting.

I wish I felt like making a call, or starting a petition, etc would make a difference ... IMO we were CHEATED today (and I'm not one to make excuses honestly)