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Very good points eve. I cant disagree. But, man....we lose so often and such horrible fasion, that it really is criminal when the NFL has to fix the game to make us lose. The Football gods poop on Cleveland. I am beginning to think that no matter what, we will never have a fair shake in this league.

I just watched the 4th quarter over. Didn't see the hold call that was missed (working and watching), but that fumble...refs shoulda taken their whistles out, caught a few breaths and waited for the TD.

That was wrong.

Also think we got robbed on the 1st down there at the end.

That being said, lotta drops. Lotta drops that were inexcusable.

But hey, we came back from being down TWICE. That is saying something!

Only saw from mid 3rd quarter on and haven't read any of this thread, but here are my postgame thoughts:

1, Garrett is a beast. Health is the only thing that has a chance of keeping him out of the HOF

2, Carrie stinks but had to play because our db's were decimated by injury

3, Chubb, wow, didn't see that coming

4, The NFL took that game from us. I thought the initial spot on Hyde's 4th quarter run was a bad spot in the raiders favor. It still measured out to be a first down. Then they review it and change it?! WTF. How could they possibly hav a definitive view? I can't wait to see how they justify that call.

4a, That fumble was obvious and should have been a TD - RIDICULOUS call!

5, My criticism of Hue for the week? It was clear that on the game tying drive that our defense was gassed. After the spike to stop the clock we should have called time out t let our D catch a second wind. We had 3 time outs remaining. There were a couple other opportunities where the clock was stopped either because of OOBs or penalty.

6, Our special teams stink

I sent Roger Goodell my email.

Dear Mr Commissioner,

The NFL officials are not supposed to be the focus and things that people are talking about after a game ends.Today I witnessed a 1st down call overturned without 100% video evidence that left fans, booth, coaches, and previous officials stunned. Refs should not help that much in deciding the game result, and when they do, it is a poor product on the field. If the refs are going to decide every game, what's the point of watching?

Something must be done to hold these officials accountable for their actions. Apologizing after the fact doesn't help either because usually a particular team has a -1 in the win\loss column and it remains that way, which doesn't help. I know there's a current grading system but refs continue to make horrible calls which cost teams wins. What can you do about this situation to make the experience better for the fan. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Thanks,

A loyal NFL fan

David Njoku is really good when he catches the ball. He doesn't catch the ball rnough.

Neither did the Raiders!

Can we talk about how awesome Baker was?

For once in a few decades QB was not the problem.

It makes me so happy we finally have one who is competent.

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Riveron explains key reversal in Browns-Raiders game
Posted by Mike Florio on September 30, 2018, 11:04 PM EDT

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Late in regulation on Sunday in Oakland, the Browns could have iced the game, or come close to it, if running back Carlos Hyde had converted a rushing attempt on third and two. It initially appeared that he did. After further review, he didn’t.

NFL senior V.P. of officiating Al Riveron explained to PFT the decision to overturn the ruling on the field during halftime of the Ravens-Steelers game.

It was actually a simple process. From one angle, Riveron could see that, when Hyde’s wrist was done, his elbow also was down. From another angle, Riveron could see that, when Hyde’s wrist was down (and thus the elbow was done), the ball was well short of the line to gain.

“The angles definitely gave me a view and perspective that he was short,” Riveron said.

Riverson said that, when the wrist/elbow were down, he could see that the ball clearly was short of the orange stick and the pad on which it rests. So that’s why the ruling on the field was overturned, why the Browns didn’t get a first down that would have likely ended the game, and why the Raiders had an opportunity to force overtime.

His accuracy was great. His arm strength was great. He tried to keep some plays alive that freaked me out because I thought he was going to turn the ball over or get killed. Imagine he didn't have all those drops? There was nothing he did that made me think less of him (although I would have loved to have him connect of the deep ball to Callaway).

(Brooding comment: Some snaps with Tretter during the preseason might have been helpful.)

I don't recall seeing any angle that showed him being clearly down. Did they show the reverse angle?

This explanation makes sense. It seems like we didn't have access to the right angle during the broadcast.

What about all the missed holding calls on Garrett and the missed call on the Ogunjobi touchdown?

He is completely FOS

I was very impressed by him overall. He has shown me that he has the arm talent to be a top QB if he can put the mental side of it together.

I want to see these mythical views.

I posted one in another thread. It looks like his arm is lying flat on the ground.

4 turnovers by mayfield were a problem, it led to 21 points. He’s def got the arm talent, but his dimecision making will have to improve, and it will I’m sure. But he was let down by his recievers and OC.

One INT literally went through Callaway's hands. Another was basically on a hail mary at the end of the half. The fumble was on him, the dropped snap is on the center and the QB.

I saw the pic you posted. I can't tell anything from that.

It looks like his arm is down. If there is a better angle that shows that his arm is down, then the above explanation makes sense.

plus, what is the timing of that photo? He crossed the line then pulled back to avoid the fumble. Looks like late timing of the photo to me.

plus that angle is not right down the line.
Wasn't that the justification last year in the Pittsburgh game that gave them a 1st down that clearly looked almost 2 inches short?

We don't know. We just to wait and see for a further explanation.

Sorry if I missed it, but has anyone found out why we went for so many 2PT conversions?

Oops, please delete

I don't post much here, but I've been lurking for a long time. Can you stop with the "agenda" nonsense? The only agenda anyone has here is wanting to see the Browns win.

Where is that view, that shows it definitively.

I think that the replay officials should have to show the views that use to make a call like that.

j/c

I'm going to save most of my observations for the What I Saw Thread when it goes up..

Honesty Dawgs I find it hard to be too mad or upset after putting up 42 points. I can't remember the last time we did that.

With that frame of mind, I try not to get in to NFL conspiracy theories, but that 1st down they over turned makes even Alex Jones credible.

Just before that play I was thinking to myself "Man, the NFL must be loving the Browns right now... we're playing some entertaining and exciting ball. We must be killin it in the ratings".

If the League doesn't overturn that call, they lose a pile of cash because they wouldn't have gotten the final 2 minute spike in viewership. I don't think they cared who won and lost... it was all about the $$$

We haven't seen a view of anything definitive. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

"But any time you put it in somebody else's hands, it's not always gonna turn out your way."

-- Baker Mayfield

I'll believe it when I see it, and I haven't seen it yet.

Well that just sucked. Yep big time.

Ok, we have a QB, he will get better. Who is next?

2007

It was nice to see the Browns playing good competitive football and win another game. Sucked that the powers that be in New York robbed us of that win, but make no mistake we did win that game even though it shows a loss in the stats. Yes we turned the ball over 4 times. You are going to have that kind of thing with a ROOKIE quarterback. Chalk it up to the learning process. I can live with that. I can live with losing a game because of that. Just gets us better picks in the draft next year and can you imagine how good this team will be in a year or two if Dorsey keeps drafting this way for us?

What I can't abide is the big shots in NY phoning in a BS call like that. Yes, the spot was bad. They should have spotted it six inches FURTHER making it EASILY a first down. At the VERY least it was too close to change. Hell, even that idiot Dean Blandino or whatever his name is said he would not have changed it. I think the NFL has it in for the Browns for some reason. Perhaps because they really didn't want a franchise here and the fans threw such a fit over the move their hands were tied. I don't know for sure, but I do know they have a way for screwing us at the worst possible time.

We are on our way, my friends. We scored 41 points today and if it weren't for the pricks in New York we DID win our 2nd game in a row. I like how we are playing so far. Another year with another great draft and we will be knocking on the door to the playoffs...

What a complete trash of a game. The offense was listless half of the game and just going through the motions. What happened to our so called top 10 defense? It sure forgot to show up it seems.

The refs...omg the refs made sooo many bad calls it was just completely disgusting. The raiders where doing illegal blocks to the back and holding all freaking game long and no calls on it. Ball placement was a total joke. The refs are the one who took this game away from us.

J/C
We were robbed on that call with 1:32 left. It was a first down. Even the ref on comms couldn’t understand how it was overturned.

Man, Chubb has some explosion, he and Hyde are a great combo.

For those lambasting the defense - they had multiple short fields to defend due to the turnovers. They forced a turnover on downs, took the ball away. The NFL favours offense and Carr, Lynch, Cooper and that TE are decent. They are still a work in progress but to be anything more than optimistic is reactionary, Lynch - what a beast!

Baker played well. He’s a rookie but he looks the part. Too many drops and really crucial turnovers killed us. 14 up and were pass happy still? We were running well and I understand keeping balance but we needed to chew the clock.

I’m happy - we were ultimately robbed as we did enough to overcome our errors. We will improve and we have talent.

IMO our blitzing seems to do more harm than good .. unless we're playing against a young or bad QB, it just leaves us exposed and tired

Also, Baker is not innocent in this loss. Despite all the mistakes, we were in this til the end.

He missed some reads. He had some bad throws. He turned the ball over. He's still a rookie. And he's still learning. And a lot of that is because your head coach didn't want the best quarterback to play. I have faith he'll come around.

"I think we're all looking at this here in the studio and we're shocked that they overturned it," Blandino said during the game broadcast. "Again, you don't have a big line (on the review), it's tough to tell exactly where the ball is. I wouldn't have overturned that one."

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