DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 42 Raiders 45 Baker, Baker... Touchdown maker

thought of some words, honest was not one of them.
but thanks for the continued insults...I'm sure its my fault

That'a what you get for thinking. lol

Raiders against the pass through three games:

Allowing:

Completion percentage: 59.8
Yards per game: 258
Touchdowns per game: 2
Interceptions per game: 0.3
Plays over 20 yards: 5
Sacks per game: 1
Passer rating allowed: 105.2

Pretty damn poor against the pass.

As for rushing:

Yards per attempt: 5.1
Yards per game: 116.3

So, pretty average off the ball.

If Baker has a bad day today, how are people going to handle it? Going to flip out?

No matter how good he looked last week, HE IS STILL A ROOKIE. rookies do 3 things well:

1. Hold the ball too long
2. Throw interceptions
3. Make wrong reads.

You realize that Mayfield threw a ball right to a defender Thursday night in the end zone that should have been picked off, The defender catches that ball that hit him in the breadbasket, and we lose Thursday night. That keeps things in perspective here and not let this hype get over blown.

Mayfield made a horrible, horrible, horrible read down there in the endzone, and that Giants defender should have his thumbs cut off for not catching that Mayfield pass.

I am just dousing some cold water on this Mayfield barn fire.

If he has a bad day today, it won't be the end of the world. He is a rookie. they make mistakes. His arm alone looks good enough to build around, but it takes time like anything else.

We need to stay the course with this kid no matter what now for atleast 4 years...none of this running a guy out of town after one season nonsense. I know how this story goes, have seen it too many times.

I expect Mayfield to have an average game today...he will play well in spurts, and play horrible in spurts. Its part of the growing process.

I can handle that, the question is, can Browns fans?

After cooling down 100% from the OSU game last night, it's official.

I'm mindset this is the most excited to see a QB start for us since... since I don't even know now.

I'm truly, and may be just me being a nut (since I've disagreed with the pick since we made it), but I'm truly confident in Baker going up against this Oakland secondary.

I think he plays lights out and I can't believe I'm sober and typing that...

I'm certainly not going to try to speak for anyone else, but I do believe a lot of the posters on this board understand exactly what you're saying.

However, even as a rookie I think we'll see more good than bad from him. He possesses the actual tools to be an NFL QB and I haven't seen that from any QB we've drafted in a very long time.

Potential mistakes aside, he still reads Ds, moves in the pocket, goes through his progressions, gets the ball out more quickly, and throws more accurately than any other QB on the team. So... there's that.

I'm just peeing in your bucket of cold water to warm it up a little.

Having said that, we generally and historically don't travel well to the west coast, and the 0-3 Raiders are going to be desperate for a win. I'm nervous about this game. But, GO BROWNS!

I hope we can get a run game going early honestly .. that's Baker's best friend

Agreed. He is a rookie and will make mistakes. It won't be the end of the world. When a player like Baker makes mistakes it will drive him to learn from them and get better. He wants to succeed in the worst way and doesn't like failure. It's part of his personality and why JD drafted him #1. I'm willing to give him time and some slack to learn.

Good point. I get the feeling that Baker DOES work hard and studies to improve ... that's HUGE

Peyton Manning still made mistakes in his last years.
Tom Brady still makes mistakes.
Drew Brees makes mistakes.
Aaron Rodgers makes mistakes.

It happens.
As long as it isn't like Kizer where you keep making the same mistake over and over and over again week in and week out, and you at least KINDA learn from your mistakes, mistakes aren't bad. They're learning opportunities.

What game were you watching? We played the JETSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS not the GIANTS!!

YOUR WHOLE POST GOES RIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN THERE!

Baker is going to light it up and I don't have a gun to my head either Bozo....

I meant Jets, ya know lol!

4 turnovers

1 – Callaway slipped on that HORRIFIC turf out in Oakland, the NFL should be ashamed!
2 – Sack Fumble, this happens to every QB.
3 – This was really the only dumb mistake – Throwing it up for grabs to Callaway at the end of the half…….Callaway is 5’10 Bake, he’s not going up and getting it.
4 – Fumbled snap exchange – the perils of a rookie QB who has never been under center. Frankly he played well under center minus this mistake.


The problem, 3 of the 4 turned directly into touchdowns. 21 points will lose you almost every game.




We have our QB, he’s tough, he’s competitive, he has a good arm and gets through progressions. He is a rookie, but we have a ball player folks.

Yeah... even Oakland players were slipping and that's their own field. How can the NFL allow that crappy playing field as it's got to pose a huge risk for injury and etc? If the QBs had to make cuts and etc, they'd implement something then for sure.

the turf was a joke yesterday for both teams

But I do like that Baker has a good arm, is fairly accurate, and makes good decisions (for the most part). He's light years ahead of others we've had there (as he should be)

On 4 - was Baker changing the play ? Was he ready to take the ball ? I can't recall if it was this or another game I was watching during yesterday where the QB was not ready and the center snapped early?

Baker's performance was more than Adequate. It's his first ever NFL start. I think he looks totally legit and like he belongs.

Still his job to make sure the Center knows what's going on but yes he was changing the play.

No he is not, only a blind guy can say that. Baker does not have an elite arm, he will struggle to make the deep plays specially outside the numbers.

But he is really good on the short and intermediate.

And he's only using half the field at most, so it's time to open up the playbook or he will be really easy to counter.

Kids got a shot ... a real shot ...

Very impressive so far ...

He did have a few batted down ... but thats gonna happen and what he does with the ones that don’t get batted down make it well worth the trade off so far ...

That turf was HORRIFICK ... HORRIBLE ...

They should be ashamed ...

Sorry rasta. Baker does have elite arm talent. He continues to prove it every time he is on the field.
Only rata has the agenda drum to bang.

EVEN a blind man can see that !!

Yeah, he threw that ball to Callaway what... 60 yards, with apparent ease. Not even sure why I comment, I know rasta just trolling.

It's not elite, I call it a "Good" arm. It has some pop and velocity to it when he wants to for sure.

Elite arms are like Josh Allen, Joe Flacco, Aaron Rogers, Mathew Stafford.

I'd put Baker in the average to above average territory. He is in the Russel Wilson, Jimmy Garrapallo, Andy Dalton territory.

And how many did he under throw to Callaway, when Callaway had already beaten coverage...

C'mon you just don't see it because you don't want to.

Yes Mayfield is a good QB, bit IMHO he is very limited... hope I am wrong.

After a game and a half.

He's looked like the best rookie QB in the NFL this year.

I don't know if he has elite am strength - but it's more than adequate. Suggesting otherwise is moronic. Not recognizing some of the things he does exceptionally well in only his 2nd game - yeah, probably trolling.

There was some throws that sailed, throws that the WR HAD to make pretty impressive adjustments to catch because it was behind or something and etc and throws he just did't make. I definitely see these plays, and acknowledge them.

He's a rookie QB getting real-time reps. Brady sails a throw. Peyton Manning sailed them. It's going to happen.

But accuracy, arm strength (may not be a huge rocket like Weeden or etc, but way above average IMO) and etc - I don't think he's at all limited with what he can do now, and the potential.

No he, IMHO,did not look like the best rookie QB this year, and this is why:

Half against the jets it wasn't Mayfield play, it was the lack of the Jets aggression on the 2nd half. They just though the game was won.Jets secondary was/is very Bad, TT was not taking advantage because of the pass rush. The moment the pass rush stopped getting to the Browns QB, the plays were not that hard to make.

Oakland D is not good enough D to prove anything.


Yes Mayfield looks good,but honestly I already saw Darnold, Josh and Allen do special stuff. Mayfield not that much....

That is my opinion. Now we need to see how will Mayfield play once teams have film on him....

Its also true that I don't like Dink Donk, WCO type QB's....never did

He has problems throwing outside the numbers and specially to his left. Only a blind guy can't see that...

And one thing I have very few doubts is that Landry is the best WR he have had in some years in here.

Can you please note where these underthrows to Callaway were in the game? Please note the quarter and the time on the clock, so I can see for myself.

Thanks.

The only real bad underthrow I can remember was to Duke Johnson.

Baker threw at the combine 60MPH. Behind Allen by 2mph. Flacco was clocked at the combine at 58mph.


http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/30/how-fast-can-joe-flacco-throw/

LOL, which half is he only using? The half between the sidelines?

All throws, starting on the Int that ended the game. Oakland didn't have anyone that could match Calaway's speed. Baker just does not have the arm to do it.

I'm passionate about Qb play,and believe me we have seen this year some amazing displays from some QB's..

Darnold bootleg to the left
Rosen accuracy outside the numbers
Allen ZIPP and accuracy

The way Deshaun throwns on the run
The way Wentz moves on the pocket and keeps his awareness
Mahomes....

Yes Mayfield is having good games, but honestly I'm not that impressed with him, I'm more impressed on how the O is just looser with him... and how the Line is playing so much better...

The half, or so, in front of him.

You state he has not looked like the best QB then offer not a single commentary on anything he has done as a QB, opting instead to disparage the defenses that he has played.

Let's see.. among rookie QBs..

Mayfield has the best completion %, the highest YPA, tied for the best TD:INT ratio, has as many big plays (over 20, over 40) by percentage of attempts as anybody, has shown an elusiveness that nobody else has shown... and has only been practicing with the ones for a week.

Rip away brother.. most of us will take it because we see what's happening.. and it's good.

Allen’s stat line this weekend.
J. Allen 16/33 151 0 2

So less than 50% completion and 2 ints.
And you’re claiming accuracy?
Get out of here with your nonsense.
I was no fan of the Baker pick but I’m at least willing to admit I like what I see so far. You claiming Allen is showing accuracy is totally discrediting you and your troll-like rants.

A QB like Mayfield has to be in the top 60's 70% of completions, anything less won't do it.

He isn't nor ever was a vertical passer.I'm just stating the obvious.

Yes, so far, Allen is completing 6% fewer passes.. for shorter distances.. and has thrown twice as many INTs as TDs.. but lets tout his accuracy.

No need to hope, you are wrong.

Guess you watch a different NFL than the rest of the world.

That or you are giggling to yourself anytime someone posts a serious post to your nonsense.

Either way - c ya.