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Is this a discussion about God now?

The thing that I don't understand about the spot reversal is this...from first view, it looked like they spotted it half a yard behind where Hyde ended up, already taking into account his arm being down...how they come up with a new spot even further back I don't know. Unless correct spot is like half a yard off, I don't know how you move the spot. You can't tell inch differences definitively, no matter what camera angle you look at. And that's how much the spot was off, if at all.

Has there been an official explanation from the NFL yet? When would that normally happen? These officials have got to be held accountable for their actions or stuff will never change.

The refs claim there is clear evidence to reverse the first down call. Claim that between two views you can see where the elbow was down and where the ball was and it wasn't far enough for a first down. I highly doubt the NFL will come out and contradict that. There is no defending the sack fumble for a touchdown though.

Football sucks...

Drifting back into all the penalties was a shame to see. We can never beat ourselves, let alone the refs and the other team we're playing.

And another post-game thought, I'm back to the old me.

Done wasting time watching the pressers.

Done with the positives/optism.

Lets be confident in losing, it's the only way to not get discouraged. This undisciplined team cant win.

Now you can hang with me. I haven’t watched s presser since mid season last year. So much talk. None of it matters. Most of it is just platitudes and coach speak. I’m over the talk.
Win regularly and I might care to listen.

Jc

I woke up saying to myself “we got royally screwed by the refs”

My feelings haven’t changed since the end of the game. We got robbed.

That was my immediate thought ... and still is

We have a lot to clean up. Should have won that one.

Hyde may have been short of the first down, and, if the initial call had been short, I'd be fine with it standing. But, there's no way it was clear evidence one way or the other.

The fact that they miss 25 blatantly blocking Rice in the back on the punt the next play compounded things. When his hand is between the 3 and the 7 on Rice's back and the gunner goes flying into the dirt right by the catch point, how do you not see it? Oakland should have been backed inside the 20 instead they get momentum from the big return and the ball at the 47.

What's up with slippery fields? Is this the best you can do NFL?

Waste of effort. You can't beat the refs because you're not playing the refs. Bad calls will always happen and they are out of our control. Control what we can and stop giving up 45 freakin' points.

Give us a set of competent refs and a competent kicker and we're 4-0

Yep. Same here – In the cold light of Monday morning, I still think we got screwed by the refs.

it's a shame

Didn't take the time to read all the posts prior to mine.

Wow,, exciting.. Very exciting. Too bad we didn't win.

Too many turnovers, but Bake is young and new and it will take a little time for him.

Too many dropped passes again.

We scored 41 points. 41... yikes, that should be enough to win. Especially with our D playing they way they are.

Beastmode sure is well named. Geez that guy is insane. Carr is the real deal... What a great arm. I think Baker is as good but just lacks time.

We lost, but we also won in an sense. We really have a good team that needs to finish..

I'm disappointed of course, but excited to watch them put this together.

Or a competent D....

Regarding the refs decision, it was not a good one, but Okland just marched downfield without any problem.

Our D is not competitive, 3 games we could have won and that the D lost, and one game our D won, or the Jets D lost.

No worries. I won't be posting much.

J/C

I am starting to like the kicker we got

This morning saw an angle on the 1st down overturn that could indicate he was short. I still don't buy that that was enough to overturn the call (and apparently neither did any of the broadcast guys, the look on Blandino's face tells you everything you need to know). Not enough to overturn, got overturned.... then the non-fumble.... Hope that officiating crew gets absolutely buried by this game.

Those two calls, along with the many run-of-the-mill terrible calls (block in the back and holding) are going to stick with me. Just sickening.

That being said, there are 2 things that hopefully won't get lost in the mix.

1. Browns didn't finish. The refs didn't hand the win to the Raiders, they just arbitrarily gave them another chance. Browns D failed to keep them out of the endzone, and failed to stop the 2-point. Browns O failed to get into FG range at the end (stupid throw by Mayfield). The special teams just top-to-bottom failed.
Peppers blows as a returner.
Mayfield made rookie mistakes.
Haley needs to be slapped every time he goes to one of those dumb plays.
Defense ran out of gas at the end. They finally looked mortal.
Fire the ST coach already.

2. This season, for me, was never going to be about the win total. It was going to be about the young'ins playing well and coming into their own throughout the season, and seeing which of our FAs would stick. To that end, the loss is a little easier to take. If were rolling and had playoff and beyond aspirations, I wouldn't be so casual. So through that lens, there are quite a few positives to take away from this game.

-Mayfield, I thought, played very well. He had his rookie mistakes that I chalk up as such. This is what we signed up for. He also made many very nice passes. He flashed a little Rothlisberger (which is really impressive given how small he is), flashed a little Brees on some other plays. His rookie-ness reared its head at the end of the game. That INT at the end was dumb, and a killer. His other turnovers were a little more questionable. The fumbled snap was ??? Someone will have to fill me in on the details behind that. The pick 6 was just bad luck. Receiver slipped (everyone, on both teams, were slipping on that stupid field). The other fumble was on him, but I'm not going to beat up a rookie QB hanging in the pocket trying to make a play.

-Hyde... man do I have a huge man-crush on this guy. He's not spectacular... you wouldn't pass up on a Bell because you have Hyde. But he's just so darn solid and reliable. He's always good for at least a few yards after contact. He's not fast, but he's not slow, either (broke off a couple long runs). I think guys like him do wonders for a team like ours.

-Speaking of RBs... Chubb is looking good. I hate the idea of taking touches away from Hyde, but Chubb is making the case. The first TD was a gimme... the line opened a GIANT hole for him and he got very effective blocking after that. His second run, though... extremely impressive. Got past contact, and then turned on the burners. Those are two things that were argued were knocks on him coming out of the draft, and he argued against those knocks on that second run. Really positive stuff he's doing.

-Myles Garrett has some stuff he needs to clean up, but man has he been beastly so far. He got a lot of face time when he was on the field near the end of the game, and you could tell he wanted it so bad at the end. The defense ran out of gas, but you could tell him and others wanted it so bad. Really positive stuff coming out of him right now.

-Randall has been such a huge pickup for this D. Man, he's been playing great... locking down a position that we haven't been able to figure out for so long. If he goes down, this defense is HOSED.

Ogi... real happy for the big fella. He's finally starting to get some love during the broadcast. Just a big, strong, hard-working beast.

-The Mitchell injury is going to hurt. BBC is our depth at the slot corner position, but that still leaves a hole at #2. I think Gaines is the one that could step up... but I don't know if that happens. I don't see anyone else doing it.



Randall might be the 'vice grips' of the D. That guy had a couple tackles where he just grabbed onto the end of dude's shirts and held on to dear life. That takes a strong grip (and strong under shirts).

Okay, had to simmer on it overnight, but here's my thoughts on the game in the "Good, Bad and Ugly" form that we used to do:

THE GOOD:

- Baker played well. He wasn't perfect by any means, but he certainly wasn't getting a lot of help either. I'd say that all 4 of his turnovers were either partially, or entirely someone else's fault. For the most part his passes were crisp and on target. He did get a little Broback's disease and forced it deep a few times when he shouldn't have, but still when is the last time we can say we scored 42 points on anybody?

- Nick Chubb and the rest of the running-backs. Likewise, when's the last time we can say we ran roughshod over anybody? This is the type of team we need in the NFC North. One that can rack up rushing yards. Chubb was phenomenal today. Ran through tackles, but then had a burst of speed where not even the DBs could catch up to him. Maybe he has terrible vision when finding the hole, and that explains his lack of production prior today. But man, when he got room, he was gone!

- I thought Garrett and Ward had a good game today. They mostly threw away from Ward, and Garrett was always looking to blow plays up. I know the guys in the gameday thread expect him to get a sack or a tackle for loss every single down or he's a bust, but I felt he was still a difference maker today.


THE BAD:

- Rest of the defense, where art thou? Giving up 45 freaking points after the media started asking if we could be the best defense in the league? Could we, just for once, have a game where both the offense and defense show up? It's like we only have one team bus, and we have to decide before the game which side of the ball we're going to bring. 42 points from the offense should of resulted in a blow-out. Grrr.

- The corner play after Terrance Mitchell went down. I get that Gaines and Carrie are probably best suited to be nickle-backs, but after that Mitchell injury, our pass defense was just exposed. I didn't realize how good TM was for our D. I probably should of realized it when even Landry didn't want to be covered by him in Training Camp.

- Our Linebacker play. Others have said it, but our Linebackers just look molasses slow. I'm not even sure Jamie Collins wants to play here. He made a few plays late, but even then, he didn't even look very fired up about it. Most of the time he looks like he's almost jogging around watching the play happen next to him.


THE UGLY:

- Good gawd, where to start? Probably the Referees first. They were just disgustingly bad. And it wasn't even just the terrible calls against us late. They even had some questionable calls against the Raiders early in the game too. Lynch had a run blown dead early after his forward progress was stopped for a second and a half. And Arden Key had that Roughing the QB call which was stupidly ridiculous. After that though what didn't go against us? Holding non-calls all game long? Baker gets slapped in the head after a pass and a no-call. They call in-the-grasp when the ball gets fumbled immediately and likely could of been run in for a touchdown. They inexplicably overrule a first-down spot that leaves even the broadcast crew and former head of officiating speechless. They no-call a textbook block in the back on the ensuing punt which would of shifted the field about 25 yards for their final drive. And then they no-called a push-off on the 2-point conversion. The NFL is going to turn into this generation's "Boxing" if they can't clean-up the shady officiating and stop having games decided by shotty decisions.

- Pepper returning kicks. GOOD GAWD. You know, if we literally replaced Peppers with an orange traffic cone, we would of seen a differential of about +73 yards on kick returns. All he does is catch the ball at the goal line, run it out to about the 12 and get smothered. Every. Freaking. Time. At least the traffic cone would have the situational awareness to take the touch-back and get the ball on the 25 yard line, thus vastly improving our offensive starting position each drive. #StartTheCone

- Special Teams in general has been a disaster as well. When I played in High School, whenever the first-team special teams practiced, they would ask for 11 volunteers to stand in for the other-side. We would basically do whatever random things we could on the spot to try and block punts, get a return or make something happen. That team of randoms looked far more organized than anything the Browns special teams have shown this year.

- Antonio Calloway. If the Feds ever start an investigation into game-fixing against the referees, they should probably take a quick look into Calloway's bank account too. The Thing from Fantastic Four has softer hands than Calloway at this point. I lost count on the number of drops he had. One resulted in an interception and he also nearly coughed it up on a kickoff too. I couldn't believe Baker kept throwing his way too. Yes, he did have the one big catch to set up a score late. But outside of that, he was drive-killer number one.

I ALWAYS HAVE THE REFS BACKS ... ALWAYS ...

And i was raised to NEVER LEAVE it in the officials hands ... EVER ...

Only other time i have ever blames the officials was in the 85 World Series when deckinger cost the cards the World Series on a HORRIFICK CALL at 1st base ...

Well ... now i have two ..

We got HOSED ...

Think about how you feel about this team right now. Optimistic, hopeful, excited.


Now take a journey in your mind to post game week 4 in 2017 after our 31-7 loss at home to the Bengals.

Something needs to be done about special teams ...

I told my friends last night were the worst in the league all around and its not even close ...

I said the only reason we dont get penalized on kick returns is cause we don’t touch anyone ... we never get past the 20 ... its a good one when we get ot the 20 ... when we kick off ... quite a bit different ... anyone know what the average drive start is on kick returns vs coverage on kicks that are returned? ... bet its not pretty ...

We block in the back or hold on almost every punt return ... and whats up with Callaway returning the first punt and then none after that ...

And when we punt sometimes it seems we only have one gunner ... where is the other one ...

Not sure why we don’t punt everything out of bounds and why we don’t make Peppers take a touchback everytime ...

Its gonna be week 5 .. SPECIAL TEAMS NEEDS TO BE ADRESSED ... NOW ... not later ...

Thanks for the read ...

Look, it is what it is, but Amos has never coached a top...25(?) ST unit. He has been consistently bad everywhere he has been.

It was a stupid hire to begin with and will continue to be stupid to employ him until the day he is fired.

Why is there no accountability for officials ???

C'mon it was a bad call, but what costed us the game was the terrible D.

It was a complete team loss.

The offense sucked -- yes, they did. Sure, they scored 42, but they screwed the pooch big enough, and often enough, to completely mitigate that. Between all the turnovers, penalties, and Haley's boneheaded trickster play calls I wanted to beat my head against a wall.

Special Teams was "short bus special" and that coach NEEDS to be out of a job by the end of today. This unit is ATROCIOUS.

Defense was just..... weak. We played WAY too much soft zone. I understand that Mitchell went down and that changes some things, but we seemed to completely stop playing press man and went to a boatload of soft zone and Carr ate that up.

Finally, yes - the refs royally screwed us. We had that game and our record should be 2-1-1, but by the same token, this team - the entire team - did everything in its power to NOT win.

the refs sure didn't help, you could say they cost the raiders 7 points as well blowing lynch down when he wasnt close.. You score 42 points in the nfl you should win 4/5 times.. defense was pathetic and our biggest issue.

j/c

I'm regularly as annoyed at the non-calls and mystery, inopportune calls as I am with the ridiculous calls...and now reversal.

The non-call on the blatant block-in-the-back was the straw that broke the camels back. Watching Miller hold Garrett during the "comeback" was especially aggravating.

The reversal and the non-call gave Oak two unwarranted chances to win the game at the end....ridiculous.

This is really the best, down to earth, post I've read. I sincerely agree with every bit of it.

Ooooh, I'm all quivering.


This is an epic BS argument. This is the NFL, have you seen how many games go to OT, how many come down to the final possession, how many have very questionable calls at the end?

There is no Alabama in the NFL that can just go out and post double digit wins in 80% of their games.. It just doesn't happen.

It's the NFL, games are won by inches, swung by a play here and a controversial call there.. it's that way every week in most of the games.

The players have a job to do, make plays.. the refs have a job to do, get calls right... maybe it's unfair of me, I assume the players will make good and bad plays, I expect the officials to only make good calls.

The Browns forced the fumble they needed to win the game.. they got the first down they needed to win the game.. how many times do you expect them to do that when it keeps getting taken away?

This week had three games I believe result in OT.

The Bengals game was a near mirror script of ours.

There was a flag called on a player not getting set on the line before the snap (the TE).
The games were shootouts where defense was anemic, at best.
Tons of flags.
There was OT, and the team that had control of the lead in the 4th ended up surrendering the lead and losing in OT.
A key player was lost for the season to a broken bone injury.

Yesterday was rough for trying to pick games. Close games that shouldn't have been, teams struggle to finish, a blowout with a 10.5 spread... wth? lol

one can only wonder if fan boi Nathan Zegura was on the sidelines during that call reversal.he would ran on the field and gave the head offical a wedgie.

The thing is that if you keep on blaming others and the wrong things then you cannot improve.

D lost 3 games this season,or better we failed to win because of the D performance on the end of the games.

Now we can keep blaming kickers and refs, or just improve the D and check why they end the games with so bad performances.

Are we that predictable?
is it lack of conditioning?

One thing is sure for me, if we want to turn the corner we have to figure this out.

It's because Baker Mayfield is terrible in zone coverage and can't wrap up the running-back in run support.

I blame Hue for that.
#quarterbackwhisperermyazz